Female sports reporters having their harassing tweets read to their faces

[The_Darkweb]

So...you want credit, as a male, for the "sacrifices" other men have made? How does that work, exactly? Is there a punch card, where you get to be a creep to a woman X amount of times, without any reprisals, and then another guy has to die in order for you to get a new card? And, I hate to break it to you, but most men don't consider their work to be "sacrificing for women"...we just call it work.
Aside from someone directly giving their life for another, how do you decide who's dying for women, and not for another man, or society in general? And how do you determine who's dying for whom?
Even if I were to accept this "logic"...What do women owe you for the sacrifices of others? And how would you like to collect?

You are a lost cause. I give you the most straight forward explanation and you respond with jibberish. Nothing you said in the above quote made any sense r in anyway related to what I said. So I really have nothing else to say in responce.

D.W.

 

[Wolf]

You are a lost cause. I give you the most straight forward explanation and you respond with jibberish. Nothing you said in the above quote made any sense r in anyway related to what I said. So I really have nothing else to say in responce.
D.W.

I merely asked you to explain your own logic. I'm not surprised that doesn't make sense to you.

 

[The_Darkweb]

I merely asked you to explain your own logic. I'm not surprised that doesn't make sense to you.

The fact that you need me to explain something so straight forward is part of why you are a lost cause. It's not my job or responsibility to explain mysef to a white knight who preaches equaity but in actuality lives to rescue the very people he claims are his equal. You talk a good game but if you really meant it you would actually be on my side, or at the very least more to the center. Unfortunately you only find your sense of self worth in rescuing women, while ignoring/Denying the fact that men have probems of equil importants because of a misguided sense of chivalry.

 

[The_Darkweb]

Here are statstics on Online Harassment from 2014.

 

[shad0w]

"You shouldn't be an ally to women, you should be against them! like us! Or at least not in the way when we want to harass them!" says the delusional man whom routinely confuses respect for infantilizing..

 

[TMF Jeff]

... are you saying that women don't sacrifice and die for men??? If you're going to discuss sacrifice, talk about both genders doing it otherwise you're discriminating against women! I'm sick of people praising the sacrifices men have made, and acting as if women never make any sacrifices too!

See what I did there?

No, I'm not a Vet, but I have a great deal of respect for people who serve in the forces. There are many ways men serve society where they die other then the military. Construction workers, factory workers, and truck drivers are all mostly men, and doing those jobs makes life better for everyone. Since women don't generally do that work men have too. Therefore they are benefiting from male sacrifice.

From the sinking of the Titanic to shootings in Aurora Colorado men have died to preserve female life, and it is never apreciated. If a guy dies protecting a woman he might be acknowledgedthe paper for a day, but men who mistreat women have documentory movies made about the. Simply because it makes more money, gets better ratings sells more books and news papers when the victim is female.

 

[TMF Jeff]

I don't know how old you are, but I'm in my 50s, and as someone who was actually there to see it, I can assure you that it was MUCH better in the past. Granted, we didn't have all this cool technology, but at least we weren't such a bunch of sniveling whiners, crying for a "safe space."

The way I remember those days, men were expected to protect women, and treat them with courtesy and respect. And they didn't throw hissy fits when their feelings weren't getting enough attention.

It's the "men's rights advocates" who are the whining crybabies, commiserating with each other about how rough it is to be male in the 21st century and covering up for their insecurity by insulting and threatening people who are more vulnerable than they are.

Any man worth anything would protect any woman who was being picked on, and it's a joke for you to make a call-back to the good old days while at the same time saying that there's nothing wrong with a man saying despicable things to a woman.

 

[DontAskJusTckle]

The way I remember those days, men were expected to protect women, and treat them with courtesy and respect.

Absolutely. And I still live by those standards with which I grew up, even when some feminazis balk at it. And those standards I grew up with are exactly why I would never have given those Twitter trolls more traction by airing that video. I never cease to be amazed at what you choose to air vs what you censor.

And they didn't throw hissy fits when their feelings weren't getting enough attention.

I see. So when you and your trolling sidekick rage about the injustice, it's chivalrous outrage and righteous indignation. When people calmly disagree with you, they're throwing "hissy fits."

It's the "men's rights advocates" who are the whining crybabies, commiserating with each other about how rough it is to be male in the 21st century and covering up for their insecurity by insulting and threatening people who are more vulnerable than they are.

I'm going to explain this one more time. I don't condone the name calling, and I don't operate that way. I treat women with respect until I'm given a reason not to. But the default is always respect. In fact, that goes for everybody I interact with, not just women.

And not that you pointed a finger at me specifically, but I'll say it anyway. I'm not a men's rights kind of guy. As a white, heterosexual male, I don't have any advocacy groups, and thank God for that. As far as I'm concerned, every one of those selective advocacy groups can all go straight to hell.

Any man worth anything would protect any woman who was being picked on, and it's a joke for you to make a call-back to the good old days while at the same time saying that there's nothing wrong with a man saying despicable things to a woman.

There's a big difference between picking on a woman face to face and sending snarky tweets. If I'm out in public and I see a man verbally abusing a woman, I'll watch and try to get a feel for their relationship. For example, if it's a man in a restaurant abusing a waitress, I'll likely step in and intervene on her behalf. If it's a guy verbally abusing his girlfriend, that's different. She doesn't have to stay and listen to it. If she takes it, that's her decision, unlike the waitress.

On line, anything goes. The first rule of the Internet is to ignore the trolls. The first rule of public broadcasting is that no matter who you are, there will be people (trolls) who hate you. It's that kind of world, and no video is going to change it. If you can't deal with that, you don't have any business doing public broadcasting...ESPECIALLY when you get into something like Sports where there is a lot of opinion and a lot of emotion. You have to be thick skinned and let the comments fly by without absorbing them. It's tough at first, but veteran sports casters have had to learn this skill to survive.

I'm reminded of Army Basic Combat Training back in Fort Jackson, SC. Nineteen years old. Got called every name in the book by the drill sargents: Asshole, dipshit, dickless, etc. I was unaccustomed to being addressed this way. At first I was all sensitive about it. "Why'd he have to talk to me like that? What'd I ever to do him?" But after a few weeks, nothing they said hurt my feelings. I knew the game and the rules. More importantly, I knew I was giving it my all, and if they couldn't see that, well that was fine by me because I could see it.

This is a lesson that can't be learned by hearing it from somebody or reading about it. It can only be learned by experiencing adversity. So yes, the Twitter trolls who call women cunts are completely without class or merit, but they can be used to learn this invaluable lesson in life...YOU are the only one who can decide what kind of person you are. Nobody else.

 

[Wolf]

There are many ways men serve society where they die other then the military. Construction workers, factory workers, and truck drivers are all mostly men, and doing those jobs makes life better for everyone. Since women don't generally do that work men have too. Therefore they are benefiting from male sacrifice. From the sinking of the Titanic to shootings in Aurora Colorado men have died to preserve female life, and it is never apreciated

Even assuming that this ridiculous claim that has no historical basis (except your own sense of what "sacrifice" is) is true...what "appreciation" do you think is appropriate?
That's a simple question, right? What do you, as a man, deserve in return for all your fellow men's "sacrifices" (like....going to work, I guess)?
You whine that it's not appreciated...so what do you want to see in appreciation?

 

[Wolf]

Here are statstics on Online Harassment from 2014.

And here's the part you left out, from the same study, and their conclusion: Young women experience particularly severe forms of online harassment.



Men do experience harassment in similar numbers; no one's arguing that. It's the type of harassment that differs, as this study shows, and you (conveniently) ignore.
The actual survey, rather than just the snippet you chose to show, is very enlightening, and gives some real context. I don't know whether you've actually read it.

http://www.pewinternet.org/2014/10/22/online-harassment/ That's the whole thing.

 

[chicago]

I know quite a few women who work in factories, kitchens, and construction. The last two being more difficult to break into as a female due more to discrimination than not wanting those jobs.

 

[UpSide2Gravity]

I can't tell if DarkWeb is just trolling or is actually serious about his views towards sexual harassment with regards to men and women. Also, chivalry is sexist. Chivalry comes from the literary genre, Chilvaric Romances which was most popular between 1550 - 1610 (or 1620, I can't remember). Chivaric Romances mainly deal with the damsel in distress being saved by a knight archetype. King Arthur is a perfect example and Don Quixote is a satirical version of the genre. The damsels were used as props for the Knights to rescue. The plot always had women in it, but they were stereotypical written as helpless, not so bright, and rich. The damsels are used and measured as objects of worth...TADA!!!!

 

[The_Darkweb]

... are you saying that women don't sacrifice and die for men??? If you're going to discuss sacrifice, talk about both genders doing it otherwise you're discriminating against women! I'm sick of people praising the sacrifices men have made, and acting as if women never make any sacrifices too!

See what I did there?

It happen, but as a general rule it is men who make the physical sacrifices the vast majority of the time. Not just now but throughout history.

I see what you tried to do. You tried to mimic & mock what I did earlier. The problem is when women make sacrifices, just like when they are victims of harm or harassment it is frunt page news, while with men those sacrifices are simply expected, or that we can't realy be victims because of "patriarchy".

You'll get it one day, probably to late, but one day.
D.W.

 

[The_Darkweb]

I know quite a few women who work in factories, kitchens, and construction. The last two being more difficult to break into as a female due more to discrimination than not wanting those jobs.

I've known some women in the trades as well. I found their biggest problem was the belief they didn't have to pay their dues like the men did. There is a pecking order in that line, the new people get hazed, and some women don't feel they should have to endure it. Your friends situation might have been different, thats just what I've observed in my experience.

As far as factory work goes, I've done that allot, and there are some jobs women don't do. Either by choice or company policy, or a combanation of the two. They are usually the more physically demanding jobs with the most hazardous conditions. I've done that stuff, women didn't. Again your friends situations may be different, but I know that most of the womem at the factories appreciated not having to do those jobs.

 

[The_Darkweb]

I can't tell if DarkWeb is just trolling or is actually serious about his views towards sexual harassment with regards to men and women. Also, chivalry is sexist. Chivalry comes from the literary genre, Chilvaric Romances which was most popular between 1550 - 1610 (or 1620, I can't remember). Chivaric Romances mainly deal with the damsel in distress being saved by a knight archetype. King Arthur is a perfect example and Don Quixote is a satirical version of the genre. The damsels were used as props for the Knights to rescue. The plot always had women in it, but they were stereotypical written as helpless, not so bright, and rich. The damsels are used and measured as objects of worth...TADA!!!!

Are you saying men aren't victims of harasment online or in the work place, or are you saying it is acceptable when it happens to men... because they are men. Also I could make the same argument about men being objects in those old books, that they are measured by their physical prowes, willingness to sacrifice themselves for the damsels, & how handsom they are (remember the heroes are aways handsome)... TADA!!!

I'd like to point out yet again that my issues with the video in the original post wasn't a claim that the harassment of those women was in any way acceptable. It was the fact that the only reason it was getting attention was because they were in fact women. Men deal with harassmen online as well, we actually get more threats of bodly harm and death then women. I simply feel if you are going to discuss the topic of harassmen that it should be inclusive of both genders. And never should have had those men reading those tweets since they weren't the men who wrote them, that was uncalled for. More of the ol' let's punnish all men for what some men do crap.

 

[TMF Jeff]

One of us has had every fact they've put forward refuted by the other one, without exception. You've been wrong literally every time you quoted an example, cited a story, or produced a statistic.

You can say whatever you want obviously, but if you go by facts, you're the one with a lot to learn. But since having all of your information contradicted hasn't changed your position in any way, I can't make the same prediction about you that you made about me - I'm pretty confident that you will never, ever get it, because you don't care about truth and information.

I would bet every cent I have that you still think a woman can't be charged with rape, and you'll continue to repeat it as if it's true, and you still think the white feather campaign is an example of the hypocrisy of women even though you now know that it was something a male admiral asked of them.

You're immune to truth and facts, so of course you're never going to change your mind or learn anything new. You're stuck with whatever you think you already know, and basically you're the living embodiment of the Dunning-Kruger effect, which states that the less someone knows about something the worse they are at determining how good they are at it.

It happen, but as a general rule it is men who make the physical sacrifices the vast majority of the time. Not just now but throughout history.

I see what you tried to do. You tried to mimic & mock what I did earlier. The problem is when women make sacrifices, just like when they are victims of harm or harassment it is frunt page news, while with men those sacrifices are simply expected, or that we can't realy be victims because of "patriarchy".

You'll get it one day, probably to late, but one day.
D.W.

 

[The_Darkweb]

One of us has had every fact they've put forward refuted by the other one, without exception. You've been wrong literally every time you quoted an example, cited a story, or produced a statistic.

You can say whatever you want obviously, but if you go by facts, you're the one with a lot to learn. But since having all of your information contradicted hasn't changed your position in any way, I can't make the same prediction about you that you made about me - I'm pretty confident that you will never, ever get it, because you don't care about truth and information.

I would bet every cent I have that you still think a woman can't be charged with rape, and you'll continue to repeat it as if it's true, and you still think the white feather campaign is an example of the hypocrisy of women even though you now know that it was something a male admiral asked of them.

You're immune to truth and facts, so of course you're never going to change your mind or learn anything new. You're stuck with whatever you think you already know, and basically you're the living embodiment of the Dunning-Kruger effect, which states that the less someone knows about something the worse they are at determining how good they are at it.

I haven't been successfully contradicted once. Accordig to the information you provided there are infact states where women are not charged with rape.While it's true that a man came up with the white feather campaign it was women who chose to carry it out, and did so quite successfully, there by proving women opinions mattered to men. The oppressed can't shame their oppressors, how could they?

But hey keep telling yourself women are perfect and never do anything wrong. Allow yourself to believe men cant be victims only perpetrators. After all "Where ignorance is bliss it is a fault to be wise.". And you can't be a hero without any victims to save.

 

[TMF Jeff]

I haven't been successfully contradicted once.

I could go back through the thread and find a dozen examples, but here's two right off the tip of my tongue

You cited the white feather campaign as an example of women humiliating men, but actually it was their fellow men asking the women to do that.

And you said that women can't be charged with rape, but they actually can.

And as predicted, neither of those things penetrated your fog of ignorance. You still think you were right, because of Dunning-Kruger.

EDIT: You edited your post to include responses to this, so here's my response to that - nobody is saying women never do anything, and if you think that's what the conversation is about, then you have forced me to do something I've been trying to avoid and say flat-out that you are too stupid to argue with because you don't understand anything that's being discussed.

And you're kind of a coward for thinking there's anything wrong with being a hero.

 

[The_Darkweb]

I could go back through the thread and find a dozen examples, but here's two right off the tip of my tongue

You cited the white feather campaign as an example of women humiliating men, but actually it was their fellow men asking the women to do that.

And you said that women can't be charged with rape, but they actually can.

And as predicted, neither of those things penetrated your fog of ignorance. You still think you were right, because of Dunning-Kruger.

EDIT: You edited your post to include responses to this, so here's my response to that - nobody is saying women never do anything, and if you think that's what the conversation is about, then you have forced me to do something I've been trying to avoid and say flat-out that you are too stupid to argue with because you don't understand anything that's being discussed.

I actually know exactly whats being discussed. The topic of online harassmen. What's been ignored is the fact that it can happen to anyone, but is only being made an issue because in this case the victims are women. But by all means continue to think what you want, even if it means ignorig those facts

I think you may be projecting as far as that Dunning-Kruger thing goes. There is nothing wrong with doing courageous thing, but the need to be a hero over doing something brave are different.

 

[TMF Jeff]

I actually know exactly whats being discussed. The topic of online harassmen. What's been ignored is the fact that it can happen to anyone, but is only being made an issue because in this case the victims are women. But by all means continue to think what you want, even if it means ignorig those facts

How can you think anyone is ignoring that? You've said it a hundred times for the love of god. Everyone has heard it, everyone has explained that they understand it, and everyone has tried to move the conversation past that. You're stuck in that one fact because you can't let anyone else talk about their hurt feelings without making sure you cry the loudest.

 

[The_Darkweb]

How can you think anyone is ignoring that? You've said it a hundred times for the love of god. Everyone has heard it, everyone has explained that they understand it, and everyone has tried to move the conversation past that. You're stuck in that one fact because you can't let anyone else talk about their hurt feelings without making sure you cry the loudest.

I've been attacked repeatedly by you, Wolf, and Shad0w for pointing out a double stadard in the media, most of my comments have been in responce to the three of you, because of your White Knight tendencies. "Don't bring up male victimhood or we'll thrash you." & you're supposed to be a moderator.

 

[TMF Jeff]

I've been attacked repeatedly by you, Wolf, and Shad0w for pointing out a double stadard in the media, most of my comments have been in responce to the three of you, because of your White Knight tendencies. "Don't bring up male victimhood or we'll thrash you." & you're supposed to be a moderator.

It did get pretty ugly in here, although I think my first responses were pretty reasonable and it's only when you were determined to keep repeating the same complaint and turn this into a referendum on men's rights, and saying lies about women that it started to get personal for me.

Everyone in this thread seems to be pretty capable of taking care of themselves so I haven't felt any need to act as a moderator, and especially since I'm the one who started the topic I'm pretty obligated to talk to people who want to talk about it. It would be pretty hypocritical of me to suddenly go "Hey, this is getting too rough, even though I initiated the conversation I'm now going to put my foot down."

Some of what you've said about women has made me really angry, and it's not fair of me to moderate the conversation while I'm emotionally invested in it. I'd rather just let people insult me and be angry back.

If I did it the other way, it would be as if I decided to use my position on the forum to end an argument that I wasn't able to handle discussing, which isn't the case.

You're doing plenty of attacking yourself, so it's not like I can tell people to lay off you. This is a hot conversation and unless it gets ridiculous or it becomes clear that there's an unwilling victim, I tend not to put a stop to that.

But as for it being about pointing out the double standard, I think you're wrong about that. I don't think anyone disagrees with you that women get more attention for the online bullying. Those of us arguing with you just think it's completely justified and appropriate for various reasons that have been mentioned.

But you also said a bunch of things that aren't accurate and used them to support your premise, and what do you expect to happen from that? People are going to argue back and say "Hey, sorry, but what you just said isn't true."

And frankly, at that point, if you were interested in having an actual discussion, you could consider the new information instead of just blowing past it in a rage to repeat your point. It's possible that new information would change your mind, like you might say "Wow, several of the specific examples that have gotten me so fired up are actually not very true. I wonder if I might be wrong about some of this."

Or if I were you, finding out that I had been lied to about whether or not women can be charged with rape would make me question how many other facts are being distorted by the people advocating this point of view to me? It would make me wonder if a lot of these things are being spun in a direction that's designed to make me angry about feminism?

But to be frank, I would never have been able to make the mistake you made about women being charged with rape - as soon as I heard that, I would do what I did when you presented it - spend 5 minutes on google finding out that it's not true. And the fact that you didn't do that is indicative of your level of interest in being right as opposed to having your opinion confirmed.

But I really think you aren't interested in learning, you're interested in having your anger fed by these men's rights guys, and you don't watch and read with a critical eye at all.

Maybe I'm wrong, but that's my take on how this argument has evolved.

 

[UpSide2Gravity]

Are you saying men aren't victims of harasment online or in the work place, or are you saying it is acceptable when it happens to men... because they are men. Also I could make the same argument about men being objects in those old books, that they are measured by their physical prowes, willingness to sacrifice themselves for the damsels, & how handsom they are (remember the heroes are aways handsome)... TADA!!!

I'd like to point out yet again that my issues with the video in the original post wasn't a claim that the harassment of those women was in any way acceptable. It was the fact that the only reason it was getting attention was because they were in fact women. Men deal with harassmen online as well, we actually get more threats of bodly harm and death then women. I simply feel if you are going to discuss the topic of harassmen that it should be inclusive of both genders. And never should have had those men reading those tweets since they weren't the men who wrote them, that was uncalled for. More of the ol' let's punnish all men for what some men do crap.

Women are more SEXUALLY harassed than men. You keep on attempting to change the fact this is SPECIFICALLY about SEXUAL HARASSMENT. You continue to shift the attention to overall harassment. The video is about SEXUAL HARASSMENT. Show me a statistic which SHOWS MEN BEING SEXUALLY HARASSED MORE THAN WOMEN. Also, MEN WROTE THE CHIVARIC ROMANCES, SO FOR YOU TO SAY THAT THOSE BOOKS ARE TREATING MEN AS OBJECTS IS COMPLETELY STUPID. You'vee been proven wrong time and again, but you'll have something witty to say instead of presenting empirical evidence to support your claim about SEXUAL HARASSMENT...or you'll cherry pick this quote to allow it to fit into your agenda.

 

[shad0w]

Nah.. He'll just say you proved nothing, and he won't respond to you anymore.

 

[bethaknee]

I've been attacked repeatedly by you, Wolf, and Shad0w for pointing out a double stadard in the media, most of my comments have been in responce to the three of you, because of your White Knight tendencies. "Don't bring up male victimhood or we'll thrash you." & you're supposed to be a moderator.

Dude, I think it will make you feel better if you just go ahead and create a thread titled "Who has it worse." The whole point of this thread was a female being harassed. Yes, we all know men get harassed, too. But that again wasn't the point. I wouldn't go cry on a thread about men and go "but women get it worse!" Just relax, take a deep breath, and everything will be ok.