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Why oh why? (Video Question)

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dskodj

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Just really really curious if someone could shed some light on the subject...but why is it that within the past 10 yrs, with the recent 2 - 3 years being the height, is literally 95% of all new tickling fetish clips nothing but playful tickling??

Even the vid producers that used to do minimal on that have gone that rout now. Is there even an outlet anymore for the hardcore tickle torture clips like 90% of em used to be 10 + years ago? It's getting near impossible to find anything anymore that suits my desires. The upside is i've been saving tons of cash not buying many clips anymore LOL But i'd like to be buying again :)

Seriously curious as to why....was there some kind of a "Politically Correct" crackdown or something behind the scenes 10 yrs ago or what. Inquiring minds wanna know! :hungry:
 
Hmm, interesting question. While I don't have any official answers for you, I can surmise that it is easier to attract models when the tickling is more "playful".

If you're looking for a more recent clips store that has the "tickle torture" you seek, let me recommend The Tickle Room. I truly believe they are going to wind up being the future of the business. And no, I did not get paid to say that!
 
I know in the past there have been complaints of majority of videos being too sexually explicit, not that I care, but some people I guess are delicate flowers and don't wanna see boobs or hitachis

Maybe recently producers have decided to change things because of those complaints.


Just my .02
 
chicago said:
I know in the past there have been complaints of majority of videos being too sexually explicit, not that I care, but some people I guess are delicate flowers and don't wanna see boobs or hitachis

Maybe recently producers have decided to change things because of those complaints.


Just my .02
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It seems that you actually don't watch much. Because boobs and hitachis are exactly what most clips today are with. It's exactly the opposite. Clips became more sexually explicit. Just look at Tickle Abuse.
Don't care about this either.
However, that's not the case that's being discussed. Being more explicit, the clips indeed become more playful. Erotic play in this case.
In the past there really was more of tickle torture, no matter explicit or not. More clips with good spirit of intensive tickling.

Not that I care much about it either. There is time and place for everything. Perhaps we see the times when people get less interested in pushing their limits trying new things, the image of tickling forms into sexual fetish and sexual play, rather than good old tickle torture. Like good old hockey that was once (Eric Lindros being my favorite NHL player if anyone remembers).
 
You know, for the most part, most people really, really aren't "screamingly ticklish" like 90% of this board seems to think everyone on earth is. I think there's this perception every video has the potential to have the girl red-face, shrieking and eyes bulging out of her head screaming "DON'T DON'T DON'T NO MORE DON'T DON'T!" and the people recording simply choose not to do it, but the unfortunate truth is that most people really aren't that responsive to tickling that way for the most part, and trying to get "intense" with those people get that same crowd complaining about "fake reactions".

So the natural response? Just keep it playful and light.
 
Comfort Eagle said:
You know, for the most part, most people really, really aren't "screamingly ticklish" like 90% of this board seems to think everyone on earth is. I think there's this perception every video has the potential to have the girl red-face, shrieking and eyes bulging out of her head screaming "DON'T DON'T DON'T NO MORE DON'T DON'T!" and the people recording simply choose not to do it, but the unfortunate truth is that most people really aren't that responsive to tickling that way for the most part, and trying to get "intense" with those people get that same crowd complaining about "fake reactions".

So the natural response? Just keep it playful and light.
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This 100% this. I'd also add it depends what kind of dynamic or how well the person being tickled knows the tickler. When my clips for sale comes out my m/f clips will be mostly my husband who is my Dom tickling me. I feel comfortable with him pushing my limits and he knows how to do it as well.
 
Comfort Eagle said:
You know, for the most part, most people really, really aren't "screamingly ticklish" like 90% of this board seems to think everyone on earth is. I think there's this perception every video has the potential to have the girl red-face, shrieking and eyes bulging out of her head screaming "DON'T DON'T DON'T NO MORE DON'T DON'T!" and the people recording simply choose not to do it, but the unfortunate truth is that most people really aren't that responsive to tickling that way for the most part, and trying to get "intense" with those people get that same crowd complaining about "fake reactions".

So the natural response? Just keep it playful and light.
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I second that emotion. And quite honestly, the original posters gripe sounds like a first world problem. I think some people don't realize how good they have it when these days one can find literally almost any tickling video, screamingly ticklish or otherwise and watch it for free. Does piracy hurt producers like me? sure. But still, what a world we live in where literally almost anything we want to see can be obtained for free. There are playlists on pornhub with hundreds upon hundreds of tickling videos. Old and new. Tickling for all! (at the detriment of producers yes, but still... it's pretty amazing)
 
All of the sessions I've done have been in the light playful mode, all of the videos and clips I use to get were also light playful excursions, sometimes pushed a little far for dramatic effect. You seem to prefer tickling as torture, and all I can do is wish you the best of luck in your searches.
And besides, what's wrong with boobs? Lots of those are quite ticklish when combing over them with peacock feathers, or an electric toothbrush if you really want your subject to dance.
 
tickletherapist said:
It seems that you actually don't watch much. Because boobs and hitachis are exactly what most clips today are with. It's exactly the opposite. Clips became more sexually explicit. Just look at Tickle Abuse.
Don't care about this either.
However, that's not the case that's being discussed. Being more explicit, the clips indeed become more playful. Erotic play in this case.
In the past there really was more of tickle torture, no matter explicit or not. More clips with good spirit of intensive tickling.

Not that I care much about it either. There is time and place for everything. Perhaps we see the times when people get less interested in pushing their limits trying new things, the image of tickling forms into sexual fetish and sexual play, rather than good old tickle torture. Like good old hockey that was once (Eric Lindros being my favorite NHL player if anyone remembers).
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It seems you didn't read my response clearly. I never stated I watched clips. I was reiterating to the OP the complaints I have read about in other sections of the forum in regards to abundance of sexually explicit videos and perhaps the reason the OP is not seeing more of what he wants may be because producers have acted on these complaints and changed their approach.
 
I take issue with anyone claiming "95%" of anything is anything other than a number pulled directly from the OP's ass, but as an actual producer who's done a decent variety of video styles, here's my take;

- It is indeed easier to find models willing to be tickled if the pitch is not "I'm going to tie you up and have you shrieking for your life". Only hardcore fetish models will go through that abuse.

- Corollary; hardcore fetish models cost five times as much as the typical "girl next door" and the sales figures simply do not justify the cost.

- Most actually ticklish models safeword long before they get to the shrieking point. Producers don't get to decide if she "really" meant it or not; she "Red!"'s, you stop.

- The kind of models who would provide that reaction don't take the gig. Or they take it for fetish model rates, and see above.

- For us small-timers, it's a lot harder to convince potential new models we're legitimate if we're trying to get you to come over and tie you up. A lot of (potential) amateur fetish models don't come with chaperones, because they don't want anyone to know what they're doing to make paper that afternoon. And they won't go to a strange person's house (or studio) alone expecting to be tied up.

- On the whole "boobs and Hitachis" thing, the few times I did more explicit material it didn't sell. At all. I'm still waiting for "Lina's Topless Tickle Torture" to move one copy, and I released it two years ago.

- On that note, girls who work nude/do more explicit material, again, cost more.

And quite honestly, the original posters gripe sounds like a first world problem.
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It's the first world problem of first world problems, IMHO. And IME, these people are unpleasable anyway. Even if someone did go out of their way to release a video in the style he wanted, I'm sure he'd nitpick it to death to avoid buying it anyway. Like when I worked with Yuri a few weeks ago, I had a couple people begging me to do a nylon shoot with her, so I literally brought her back at their request. And when I released her first nylon clip (I don't even do nylon clips, this was literally my first one), not only did no one buy it, but I got complaints that she wasn't tied up. You. Can't. Win.
 
There's a bigger variety of clips than there ever was.

I remember years ago, after TIB put out a particularly amazing run of clips, with a bunch of new models......really upping the standard....and somebody posted a whole thread about how his clips weren't as good as they used to be. Threads like this have been going on since the TMF began. And i might add that when there was only California Star and Harmony.....those were spotty and inconsistent and not always good (and highly expensive)and we complained about them, so I don't know that there ever was a "good ole days".

I certainly don't miss all the ten minute setups of watching them tie up the girl and panning fetishistically to the knots and the ropes.....lol.....
 
SoleMates said:
It's the first world problem of first world problems, IMHO. And IME, these people are unpleasable anyway. Even if someone did go out of their way to release a video in the style he wanted, I'm sure he'd nitpick it to death to avoid buying it anyway. Like when I worked with Yuri a few weeks ago, I had a couple people begging me to do a nylon shoot with her, so I literally brought her back at their request. And when I released her first nylon clip (I don't even do nylon clips, this was literally my first one), not only did no one buy it, but I got complaints that she wasn't tied up. You. Can't. Win.
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Amen brother. I have been producing videos for 8 years, and when I first started out I tried SO hard to appease people, and wasted energy taking shit from people who wanted *Very* specific things. It took awhile, but at some point I realized, not only can you not please anyone, It is hard to please most people. Mind you, I am very lucky to have found an audience over time. But these days, criticism just rolls right off. I make videos because I love tickling. And I make the videos I want to make. If people like them, cool. If not, who cares? It is cool to build something over time and watch it grow. I wish you luck on your clip store, Looking good!
 
I have difficulty knowing how to respond to these kinds of threads because there isn't any context. 10 years ago, there were just as many complaints about the "direction of tickling videos", and yet, judging by the variety and sheer volume seen in the display above, there was enough successful content being produced to grow the market (I'm presuming). I'm sure Eagle, Boston and Sole have hit the nail on the head, or very close to it, but what was a clip(s) or producer(s) who created the type of "hardcore" content? That at least gives context to help sort of pin down what is (or is perceived as) lacking.

I also believe porcelindoll2 to be accurate, based on private experiences. The relationship/dynamic between tickler and ticklee often has everything to do with the difference between it being bearable, vs unbearable. This is true even in the vanilla world. Same body, same skin. Different lers can mean two different levels of susceptibility.
 
Define "playful." It looks like to me that there are plenty of high quality, fairly intense videos coming out pretty regularly, so I'm just confused as to what you mean by "hardcore." Do you mean videos where the model is like, visibly upset? If that's the case, the reasons there aren't as many are 1) most models won't sign up for that and 2) most viewers aren't into watching that.
 
SoleMates said:
I take issue with anyone claiming "95%" of anything is anything other than a number pulled directly from the OP's ass, but as an actual producer who's done a decent variety of video styles, here's my take;

- It is indeed easier to find models willing to be tickled if the pitch is not "I'm going to tie you up and have you shrieking for your life". Only hardcore fetish models will go through that abuse.

- Corollary; hardcore fetish models cost five times as much as the typical "girl next door" and the sales figures simply do not justify the cost.

- Most actually ticklish models safeword long before they get to the shrieking point. Producers don't get to decide if she "really" meant it or not; she "Red!"'s, you stop.

- The kind of models who would provide that reaction don't take the gig. Or they take it for fetish model rates, and see above.

- For us small-timers, it's a lot harder to convince potential new models we're legitimate if we're trying to get you to come over and tie you up. A lot of (potential) amateur fetish models don't come with chaperones, because they don't want anyone to know what they're doing to make paper that afternoon. And they won't go to a strange person's house (or studio) alone expecting to be tied up.

- On the whole "boobs and Hitachis" thing, the few times I did more explicit material it didn't sell. At all. I'm still waiting for "Lina's Topless Tickle Torture" to move one copy, and I released it two years ago.

- On that note, girls who work nude/do more explicit material, again, cost more.



It's the first world problem of first world problems, IMHO. And IME, these people are unpleasable anyway. Even if someone did go out of their way to release a video in the style he wanted, I'm sure he'd nitpick it to death to avoid buying it anyway. Like when I worked with Yuri a few weeks ago, I had a couple people begging me to do a nylon shoot with her, so I literally brought her back at their request. And when I released her first nylon clip (I don't even do nylon clips, this was literally my first one), not only did no one buy it, but I got complaints that she wasn't tied up. You. Can't. Win.
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This ^^^^^^^ That and my exes watch me and my content like a hawk lol :)
 
To the producer that took offence and wrote a damn near novel including small dig attempts to "flame" me for stating a question and stating my likes...chill out, I don't even know your videos (and don't think id want to now after that reply...even if they were what I was after).

To everyone else, thanks for the input and opinions :)

And to those who were asking what I meant by "playful"....pretty much i'm referring to the ler's babbling, joking around and laughing along with the lee's so loud it ruins the aspect for me. Guess best way to describe what I meant was I like the whole role play tickle TORTURE thing for punishment and other fantasy role plays. Most vids used to be like that, while now they're just gals and guys being cute.

Which, hey, if that's your thing and gets ya off, that's great for you and nothing wrong with it. We all like what we like. Anyway...onward and upwords....later :bouncybou
 
dskodj said:
To the producer that took offence and wrote a damn near novel
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LOL. You asked, I answered. Sorry if the truth wasn't what you wanted to hear. Not sorry that it was too much for your ADD to handle, though. The realities of this business are far more complex than "hurr durr producers is stupid".

I don't even know your videos (and don't think id want to now after that reply...even if they were what I was after)
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aaand there's the nitpick. Called it! I should really buy some lottery tickets. Just so we're clear, though, you're boycotting BostonTickling too, right? Seeing as how he agreed with me, and he's a producer as well.

pretty much i'm referring to the ler's babbling, joking around and laughing along with the lee's so loud it ruins the aspect for me.
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Ah, so basically you explained yourself so poorly that no one understood you, because "lers talking too loud" is the last thing I think of when I hear "playful tickling video". Maybe next time you should write a damn novel.

On that front, though? I agree. There is a difficult balance to be had between stone-silent tickler and morning shock jock who needs to shut the hell up. Most folks aren't as funny as they think they are, and they forget the camera's rolling. Me, I like to have fun with the girls; I think it makes for better chemistry on-set and if they're friendly and had fun they're more likely to come back. But I'm also mindful that people aren't buying my clips to hear my new one-liners so I definitely keep it to a minimum.

On a more serious note, I've been active on these forums for going on three years now, so at this point I'd question that anyone who hasn't at least heard of me isn't really up to date on the current state of tickling videos, (as the responses to this question show), and I'd encourage them to get back into the swing of things and check it out. There's a lot of guys and gals out there at this point; with the glut in the marketplace surely there's something for everyone, even if it takes a little digging to find.
 
Trish said:
...let me recommend The Tickle Room. I truly believe they are going to wind up being the future of the business.
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Generic setup with mostly sub-par models. Future of the business?
 
Yeah, I'm going to have to go with it being easier to find models when it's playful. Even as a fetishist I'd be a little freaked out if someone told me they wanted to pay me to be tied down and tickled for three hours straight no matter what happens in the process. I know sometimes in theory that sounds hot but in reality I don't know anyone who could take that much really.
 
SoleMates said:
On a more serious note, I've been active on these forums for going on three years now, so at this point I'd question that anyone who hasn't at least heard of me isn't really up to date on the current state of tickling videos, (as the responses to this question show), and I'd encourage them to get back into the swing of things and check it out. There's a lot of guys and gals out there at this point; with the glut in the marketplace surely there's something for everyone, even if it takes a little digging to find.
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