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How do some of the tickling studios sometimes get incredibly reluctant girls to agree to being tied up and tickled and in most cases, a pretty extended period of time? The ones who really hate it, like in tickle abuses video 'utterly cruel,' how did tommy and sasha convice her to do that session and actually stay the whole time? Same with tickling paradises video 'the ticklish deal.'

Is it naivety or money that gets them to do it?
Then, are they legally bound to stay for the whole thing or can they make the decision to leave?
 
Money. I'm sure there have been models that have left mid shoot and probably didn't get paid or only got paid partially. Funny that you mention the tickling paradise video its one of my all time favorites. A complete breakdown of a lee from start-finish.
 
I think it's gotta be both. I've seen some clips with girls who show up in business wear, are too ticklish, look great, but 4-8 minutes is as far as it usually goes. Models that are surprised but just laughing usually you see in 10-15 minute segments. I think it's part naivety but mostly "I need some money for x, hey, this looks fun, I get paid to laugh, quick bucks!"
 
It's also worth noting even if most people "hate it", they're not physically pained by it (most of the time, anyway) and they can power through. Especially when it's a paying gig.
 
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Comfort Eagle said:
It's also worth noting even if most people "hate it", they're not physically pained by it (most of the time, anyway) and they go power through. Especially when it's a paying gig.
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True. ....reminds me of my vanilla relationships where tickling was allowed.
Her "I'm up for it because you like it, not because I like it"
Me "ya but you look so happy when I do it"

Facepalm.
 
This is a question that I sometimes wonder about too.

I suppose that if the model turns up for the gig, she is, by definition, not that reluctant. The really reluctant ones are those who would never put themselves in that situation in a million years.

I also think that models must broadly fit particular personality types - they must be pretty open, sociable, extrovert people. I always think that ticklishness is not only a matter of being neurologically susceptible but that it also has a psychological component. Extremely ticklish people who desperately hate the idea of being tickled (I count myself among them, as a hyperticklish and cowardly Ler) may be not just physically ticklish but also have a more guarded, private and anxious temperament (that's me), and this type will never, ever be seen on video getting tickled - they will run in the opposite direction as fast as if their lives were in danger. The ones who make it to the studio might be doubtful, and bite off a bit more than they can chew sometimes, but they are unlikely to be in real trauma territory. That's my theory anyway.

On the other hand, I have seen one or two videos where I wasn't so sure.
 
tickling=feet said:
Is it naivety or money that gets them to do it?
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Money. Sometimes the naivete is an act, because as this thread shows, some of you are intrigued/fascinated by the notion of a model being tricked/trapped into a torture session that she's forced to endure. Speaking of which....

Then, are they legally bound to stay for the whole thing or can they make the decision to leave?
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No, you are not legally entitled to hold a model against her will if she decides to back out. She's free to go and you're free to not pay her.
 
probably a combo of money and presentation
i know stryker entertainment (http://www.************************) seems better than most at doing this; so cool to see.
 
Money. Those models will have signed a detailed waiver, and included safe words/ signals if they aten't completely stupid. Just like anything else; this is porn. They have to sign away their rights for royalties and all that jazz too.
 
I am amazed that people believe models are doing it because they love tickling just as much as we do or that producers have magic powers to find hot tickle fetishists lol

Dollars. That is the answer.
 
chicago said:
I am amazed that people believe models are doing it because they love tickling just as much as we do or that producers have magic powers to find hot tickle fetishists lol
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Wishful thinking is a powerful thing.
 
chicago said:
I am amazed that people believe models are doing it because they love tickling just as much as we do or that producers have magic powers to find hot tickle fetishists lol
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Yeah I have always found that funny as well. I always feel like the odd man out at shoots with multiple models because I actually like tickling and a ton of other kinky/BDSM things as well, but most models in this industry are just in it for the money.
 
I think that's the OP's point. Models who seem reluctant are presumably not tickle fetishists, so why do they go through with it? But yes, money must be a hell of a powerful motivation.

In fact that worries me a bit. If a model is so desperate to make ends meet that it is a real pressure to them, couldn't that call into question how meaningful their consent is?

And if I'm being honest, I have to say that I find it hotter to see a reluctant (but consenting) new model get tickled, than a seasoned tickle fetishist, as long as the model is truly ticklish of course...Don't tell me I'm the only one...
 
matt62 said:
And if I'm being honest, I have to say that I find it hotter to see a reluctant (but consenting) new model get tickled, than a seasoned tickle fetishist, as long as the model is truly ticklish of course...Don't tell me I'm the only one...
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Trust me you're not the only one. I feel it is what most producers want and what most clients look for when hiring a professional sub or switch. I also personally feel most tickle porn sold is geared more towards lee's who aren't liking it. As for consent as long as the model agrees to the shoot, doesn't safeword, and you check in to make sure they're okay, then you just assume she or he wants to go through with it.
 
chicago said:
I am amazed that people believe models are doing it because they love tickling just as much as we do or that producers have magic powers to find hot tickle fetishists lol

Dollars. That is the answer.
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Lol you mean they aren't real? Go figure.
 
matt62 said:
In fact that worries me a bit. If a model is so desperate to make ends meet that it is a real pressure to them, couldn't that call into question how meaningful their consent is?
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I have yet to work with a girl who was so badly off that she was doing Tickle videos to put food in her mouth. Most of these girls have day jobs and are doing just fine. They just realize that getting a few bills for laughing or waving your foot in front of a camera is one hell of an effort-to-reward ratio.

Some of them play up being broke in an effort to get more money out of us, though. That's definitely a thing.
 
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Some of them play up being broke in an effort to get more money out of us, though. That's definitely a thing.
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Easy to spot I assume? Or did you have to be in the game for awhile to pick up on that?
 
SoleMates said:
I have yet to work with a girl who was so badly off that she was doing Tickle videos to put food in her mouth. Most of these girls have day jobs and are doing just fine. They just realize that getting a few bills for laughing or waving your foot in front of a camera is one hell of an effort-to-reward ratio.

Some of them play up being broke in an effort to get more money out of us, though. That's definitely a thing.
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I'm envisioning the model from tickle abuse's "damsel in Distress" as the type you're describing. ..
 
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Easy to spot I assume? Or did you have to be in the game for awhile to pick up on that?
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It only becomes an issue if you work with the same girl multiple times. They get chatty and forget what they did and didn't tell you, so you pick up on inconsistencies. It's not really a big deal though. If you don't want to hire her, you don't hire her. If she asks for more money, say no unless you don't mind giving it to her. A couple of my girls have asked me to come back a number of times, but the sales don't justify it. I'd love to have been able to pay them for two dozen clips. Makes me feel bad, actually. I hate turning away people eager for work.

And yeah. It's not always coke, but sometimes they do have habits. None of my business, though.
 
And then I realized it wasn't a model at all, but an eight stories tall crustacean from the protozoic era.
 
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Also, cocaine is a hell of a drug.
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Fuck yo couch im rick james

ISUmark said:
And then I realized it wasn't a model at all, but an eight stories tall crustacean from the protozoic era.
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I gave her a dolla. You gave her a dolla! Damnit thats why she keeps coming back

Sorry...i digress. There are just times where it seems to get out of hand like this one i saw this girl was already teary eyed, it was TA on the rack, and i dunno who the guy was, tommy i assume cuz its his company, told her she wouldnt be tickled on a spot under her arms by her breasts. Tasha got inches from there which isnt breaking any rules and the girl started to cry. He cut her a deal that he would take 3 minutes off if tasha could tickle that spot. She agreed and started to silently sob pretty hard while it happened. It was too much for me to watch personally. So she agreed to the deal and now i know she could have called it even with that sub agreement which makes her statement in the post interview 'i feel like i was violated' surprising.
 
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Fuck yo couch im rick james



I gave her a dolla. You gave her a dolla! Damnit thats why she keeps coming back

Sorry...i digress. There are just times where it seems to get out of hand like this one i saw this girl was already teary eyed, it was TA on the rack, and i dunno who the guy was, tommy i assume cuz its his company, told her she wouldnt be tickled on a spot under her arms by her breasts. Tasha got inches from there which isnt breaking any rules and the girl started to cry. He cut her a deal that he would take 3 minutes off if tasha could tickle that spot. She agreed and started to silently sob pretty hard while it happened. It was too much for me to watch personally. So she agreed to the deal and now i know she could have called it even with that sub agreement which makes her statement in the post interview 'i feel like i was violated' surprising.
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It's not as cut and dried as that. A LOT of women bend to pressure pretty easily, especially when they're in a situation where "go along to get along" is expected, like at a modeling shoot. Think about it; you're already tied up and now the person in charge of your paycheck is pushing extra stuff on you with a camera running. It's easier to just go along whether you want to or not and then be upset about it afterwards.

I personally don't like it, because I feel that having to second-guess someone's "actual" meaning undercuts the point of words, but it's still a reality we deal with as producers. I've been lucky that all of the Sole Mates have been honest and comfortable expressing their limits before or during a shoot, so it's never come up. But I can see it happening to studios that deal in more intense material. She probably did feel violated after the fact.
 
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