Kujman, a thief?

Kujman the thief

I posted a reply to a post that about Kujman a few days ago. I stopped back tonight, and noticed that my post about Kujman was delelted. Why was that? Anyone know?

My post about Kujamn told of how he stole from me. I said clearly that my experience with him is that he is a thief. I am only telling the truth of what I know of him.

I noticed that his name is on the moderator list. Is that why it was deleted? Did he do it, or someone protecting him?

Has anyone else had negative run-ins with this fellow?

He DID steal from me. Is that bad to tell the truth about someone?

Really would like to know why this post was remeoved.

Well

All I know is that Kujman was removed from moderator status long ago for good reasons. I dont know what your problems with him were, but I had quite a few......but Im not gonna get into that again.....

Kujman the slimey thief

Re: Kujman the thief

Thanks Krocus on your input about Kujman.

I had a feeling that I was not the only one who was fleeced, or had a generally bad
experience with this guy Kujman.

Now I am going to speak frankly about Kujman. I have kept this to my self for years now, so I feel like I want to vent it. It will not be all pretty, for I will speak frankly. I never speak this way of others, but I feel it necessary to do so this time. I do want to make clear, however, that I am speaking only of MY experience with Kujman. I can speak for no one else, not
their experience with him.

I paid him money for a supposed tickle digest he was working on. I never received it, and to my knowledge, nor did anyone else (so I assume others were fleeced by him, at least this time, as well. But if he did this time, he probably took
others at other times as well. Just my guess).

When I confronted this clown about his thievery, he at first kept lying to me
(which I could tell a mile away). I pushed on to get my money back, but he just
got unbelievably nasty, childish, defensive, and eventually on a particular phone
call, hung up on me.

I have to say also that beyond the thievery I found him to be a bizarre fellow, and my instincts told me that something was right him at all. I think he is rotten to the core, in my opinion.

I further found him to be somewhat deranged. For instance, I saw a video of his where tickled
a girl who did not consent to this whatsoever, and he beat her feet too brutally (which by
the way guys beating on feet is BEATING! It does not matter that it is place that
we may find erotic. She was pleading for relief and he and the other sickles he
sliming along with at that time, just kept it up. I do not want to get into a debate
about non-consensual attacks on people. I do not like it, to me it is ugly,
immoral, and frankly illegal.) There many other things he told me too which made
the hairs on the back of head stand up. I think he is deranged, period.

He is bright, no doubt. And he has made many almost idolize him in the tickle
community. But I never quite got that. He hoodwinks people. Do not idolize this clown, he is a sleaze ball.

And moreover, do NOT ever trust him with money, or anything else. I think he is a moral-less charlatan who will take what he wants, with no remorse. In my opinion, stay away from this sleaze bag. Definately do let him near kids.

Please, anyone else who has had run-ins with Kujman, please let us know. As a
community, we need to expose, and banish from our midst the scum like of him.

My opinions about this scumbag...

Peace

kujman ps

ps-Does anyone know this low-life Kujmans email address?

I wish for him to know about these posts.

Damn

I dunno his email, but as for that stealing money shit......that sucks ass man......sorry to hear that......🙁

Vic, why don't you tell us how you really feel?😀

Seriously, if the thread isn't here anymore, there's probably a good reason and one of the Mods will let you know about it. Sometimes it takes a few days for them to discuss things. Be patient.

Don't get involved with trying to E-mail Kuj, I'm sure he slinks around here reading these.

My advice is to let it go and move on. I've had some issues myself, but I'm not getting into it, because it's over and to be honest, I'm above that. I suggest you take the same attitude. There are people out there who want nothing more than for you to get all riled up, and no matter what names you call them it only makes them happy that you even responded.

My 2 credits.😎

VicDee, one of your posts was removed because you posted identical texts in two different threads. That's multi-posting, a no-no here. The other post is still there, on page 4.

And however much your grudge against Kujman may be justified, it's not a good idea to start flaming him. He's no longer a mod, but that does not mean anybody can bash him with insults at whim. That's just not our style. You've informed us about your bad experiences with Kujman, that's very much appreciated. But there's no use beating a dead horse. 😉

yeah i agree, i think its poor that you had money stolen and was let down etc.. but we all have problems with Kuj and they have all come out in different ways in the past. however - saying "come on people lets all bitch at him one by one.." <-- thats not very mature thing to do.

Unnecersary flames are... well... Unnecersary. We should just leave it - and i hope this is one of the last posts about him or the situation.

just my two pennies (maybe three or four)

I don't know where you are seeing Kujman shown as a moderator. His moderator status was taken away awhile ago due to some indiscretions that affected many.

His actions with you are unfortunate. I've had my own "interesting" interactions with him. He is a very creative man as many of us know. It just seems he doesn't know how to play nice.

As far as reaching him... His email address is spread far and wide across this forum as well as AMT and you can find it in Google as well. You can email him directly to voice your concerns again if you feel the need. But I'm sure, as Dave is, that he's monitoring TMF and will see your post. And this really isn't the place to "flame" someone. It's supposed to be a flame-free forum so it's best you just deal with it one on one with him.

But the best thing you can do is to just let it go and write it off as a lesson learned. That's what I did. It's not worth your time and energy fretting over this stuff when there's so much more fun all around you to enjoy. It's ancient history now. So just take a deep breath and move on.

My 2 cents!

Jan

Your situation sounds like the incident on AMT with Storyman. Some folks aren't good for their word that way. Sometimes other things get in the way. Accusing that guy of theft BEFORE you know is a bad thing. Deception, maybe, 'cause we know he's alive, but was it theft, or neglect? Was there a good reason? Who knows? I don't.

Yeah, there are folks that are at odds wit' Kujman. He and I started out fightin', first time we interacted. We got along for a bit. Now we stay away from one another. He doesn't appear to like how I do things, and I feel likewise. I just don't deal with him and he don't deal with me. It's a big planet. We both fit on it with plenty o' space between us.

After all, I ain't a saint either. There's GOT to be someone besides him that I've irritated, annoyed, or bothered. It happens. I hope there ain't, but I ain't so great I can't piss someone off. Mind ya, if I ain't told, I won't know. If it's announced here, instead of to me by mail, phone, etc., it's not going to improve things.

Do I personally think you're wrong to post this? No. As a mod for this board, though, I know better. When someone posts a list of "troublemakers" and you're on it, for stirrin' this and not lettin' it rest, should we leave it? Given that there's folks he HASN'T angered, there are people likely to do just that, someday.

Technically, what you've done is just this side of legal, providing you've documented proof of it all. If you haven't, reconsider posting something in a public forum. There's legal implications. Written derrogations aren't favored in any state.

Are there others that feel as you do? Do a search on google in the alt groups using his handle, and see. There's plenty that rail against him. Some are just yellin' t'hear themselves, and some are legit complaints. There's plenty that do and don't like him. He's still welcome to post here, and is bound by the same rules, like it or not.

You've done as we've all done, and stated your case, brother. Others likely will, too, and if it's civil, they'll stay. If there's slanderous content, don't be surprised if it's yanked. Beyond OUR rules, there ARE laws we must obey, or face legal problems.

dvnc

I emailed him 2 times and have still not heard from him! I sent him 50.00 for a video, no word if he ever will send it to me or give me the money back! But if he does in the end rip me off for 50.00, i will get over it! But life in time will pay him back, you all can rest a sure on that fact!

Vic Dee did nothing wrong

It's one thing to flame someone after a dissagreement, and there is no place on the forum for that. What Vic is doing is warning us about potential theivery, and that is the obligation of every member of this forum. I never met or directly interacted with Kujman. I always found his posts to be insightful. But I lost friends in the Trade Center and if this guy is falsely claiming to have been there helping people than I have a big problem with that.
I must say that most of the people who are posting negatively towards Kuj have never been known to start trouble. Vic Dee's accounting of Kuj beating a girl's feet without consent is very disturbing indeed. When I see the mild mannered Krokus venting on Kuj I have no choice but to believe that Kuj is a boob. If I'm not mistaken he still has the ability to post here. He always defends his opinion when people disagree with him, but yet he has not surfaced to defend his integrity. Perhaps that's because he has no integrity to defend. Vic Dee's posts did not seem vulgar or flame oriented, they seem more like the hurt feelings of someone who was wronged, and I hope the mods leave them up undeleted so that we may all be warned about this potential cancer in our community. The Golden Rule is to do unto others as you'd have them do to you. It looks like Kuj is getting a come uppance.

WallStreet...first of all, I'm sorry to hear that you personally lost friends at the WTC. I feel for your loss and that of all involved.

I think the warning about the original post was more of a response to the strength of the language and a caution to not let things get out of hand. That is good. I do agree, however, that we should be free to warn others about things of this nature. I see no indication that our mods feel otherwise.

This is but one of the recent threads that has gotten emotional and had people venting things...myself included. As long as we don't totally cross the line, we've been allowed to do so. I think we'll all be okay in the end. Thank-you to the mods for all their efforts in keeping this a civil and fun place.

Ann

No problems with telling us your side of the story Vic and I've heard others about KJ for years now.

No one likes to lose their cash on a false deal but again, we're hearing only your side. I'm not a fan of KJ, so don't get me wrong.
Hearing the 9-11 story bothered me big time, but I'll keep those words inside me.

As in his videos with beating girl's feet, that fetish exists as many others. It's his gig. On a personally level, I've seen them and they turned my stomach. The poor girls. Especially seeing him burn their feet along with beating them.

Now would someone with no fetish, say poor girls to those that we tickle torture? It's all in perception.

DK

This freak burns feet?
The main reason ticklee's are tied is to prevent the tickLER from getting kicked in the face. There are alot of people who enjoy tickling without using bondage. I can't picture someone in a NON-bondage situation letting their feet get burned.
The point I'm making is that tickling is NOT part of bondage. Bondage is a part of tickling. There are those who may think that tickle fans are freaks. They are entitled to their opinions, and they are welcome to shove that opinion up their own asses. Hearing of Kuj beat and burn feet makes me sick to my stomach. I have lost all respect for this individual. I gave Psycho alot of ribbing when he went religious, but looking in hindsight he really did nothing that's anywhere near burning and beating feet, especially in a non-consentual situation.
I've seen members of this forum refer to other members as gods among men. Kuj was one of the recipients of this lofty title. There is not one person in this forum who is a god, and when certain people hear themselves being referred to as gods they actually start to beleive it. They think that their word means more than those of others. It is safe to say that Kujman fell into this category. I guess it's ok for a god to pilpher his fellow forum members. Back in the old days when tickling was underground it was probably very easy for Kuj to rip people off. After all, it was very hard to find tickle stuff in the 1980's. People were probably willing to blindly mail money. But in today's day and age the bad apples are quickly ousted from the bunch.
I didn't realize that the whole time Kuj was "recuperating" from his "injuries" that he had people looking for him for money. "Sorry dude, I'd send you back that money, but I got hurt while saving all of those people". What a convenient excuse he had in being at the Trade Center. Perhaps I'm wrong and he WAS at the Trade Center. Perhaps he stepped over my dead friends during his heroic acts.
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Everything below these dashes is my later edit. I have no right to refer to those who admire feet burning or feet beating as "freaks". The other subject content of my post had me hot under the collar and perhaps my words were hastily put together. I am not the Better Business Bureau. I have no proof that Kuj is a thief, nor have I ever been ripped off by him. I have interacted with Vic Dee and thus far have found him to be honest. There are other forum members who I know VERY well who share Vic's opinions.

About KJ....

well, i admit i've never seen KJ in person, but i have chatted with him a fair amount. He's alway's seemed like good person with me. He always made time to answer any questions i had to ask about the tickling fetish and such. I appreciated that, especially when i was just beginning to take a more active role in the tickling comunity. My opinion of him is that he feels very strongly about his beliefs, as i've seen many of the people here do.
Wallstreet, i'm curiouse where it say's he wasn't in the NY incident. I'm just curiouse if maybe there was a post i missed. And, no offence meant to Krokus, but i've seen some of his posts that are less then mild-mannered.
Also, when people in here, hear of burning and beating feet, they become discusted. I find this interesting because i'm sure to some our fetish is disgusting. Some people enjoy bastinado, don't knock them for what they like, unless you feel it's fair that we're knocked for our particuler fetish interests. Some people just like different things. simple as that.
As far as the non-conscentual video, i can't honestly give an opinion, because i haven't seen it. How many of you have seen it? I don't know Vic, so i admit i have no real reason to trust them other then because they say so. But perhaps some of you do know vic. I'm don't want to call Vic a liar, because i have no right to, but since i do not know him, i'm more inclined to put my trust in the person i do know.
It's posible that the vid was consentual and KJ just said it wasn't, i mean, when we tickle people they usually buck and beg to be let go and for us to stop, so perhaps it was simmiliar in this case. i don't know, just an idea.
Anyway, i just wanted to say a few things, see you around

Ok, moderation ahead. Please place your trays in the upright and locked position.

This forum is for a lot of things. And warning the community about a problem that one has had with another member is a valid one. The first post that Vic made last week was just that, a warning. It was stated as a personal opionion, made no claim beyond that and was polite. It got to stay. And as Hal noted, it is still there on page 4 of this subforum.

That brings us to this thread. It goes beyond being a basic warning, and moves into an area that this forum is not for. Personal attacks. It's not quite there, but coming close.

The title "Kujman is a thief" to start. Kujman may be a thief. But, we don't know. In Vic's, and others opinions he is, but as this is a blind forum, those posts are not verifiable facts. And calling someone a thief is a statement that rises above opinion. It needs legal proof. This is not the place for such an examination. Find proof of conviction someplace and then you can say this. Until then, no.

Act of moderation #1: the title has been changed.

In another post above we open the topic of 9-11 and Kurts part in it. While this issue may or may not have merit, this forum is not for the in depth explorations of the truth of one of it's members activities off forum. There will be no more about this. The above post gets to stay for two reasons. The words "I think" which made the posters words into an opinion, and the fact that it was a personal activity that Kurt raised in the past here, opening it to public discussion. But there will be no more. The opinion has been expressed, and people now know the basic facts about both 'sides' to the Kujman 9-11 story.

Act of moderation #2 Further explorations into that aspect of things will be removed.

This will not turn into a bash Kurt thread. Basic TMF policy is that when any member has a problem with a vendor (one who sells a tickling product or service) that issue is a private one between the troubled customer and the vendor. In instances where the vendor does not answer, we allow such posts as Vic's first one to stay as public warnings. I think we can consider everyone warned.

Act of moderation #3 This will not turn into a thread of every slight that every person has had with Kurt. I'll remove further stuff to that end. Based on whats above the point has been made.

And that about does it.

Just to clear up any further questions on the topic while we are all here:

Kurt was removed by me as a moderator a few months back. He is not a mod on this forum.

Kurt is still allowed on this forum. If he wishes to reply to things within the TMF's guidelines he is welcome to.

End of words. Thank you for flying TMF.

Myriads

Post removed by Myriads.

Why? Because I meant what I said above.

Concerning "burning feet" - There are MANY people who engage in fire play. Done safely, there's no harm, same as with tickling. Yeah, it squicks many, but there are some women on this forum that are friends of mine that have done fire play, and dug it. That is a matter of preference.

Oh, and I've seen fire play done without binding, once. It does happen.

Some of us just don't dig that. Some do, though.

Same's true with beating of the feet. Actually, using a wooden spoon to beat on the soles of the feet, firmly, but not aggressively, will sensitize them incredibly. Doesn't pain someone greatly, any more than a casual spanking. Again, some folks are into that. Some aren't

Some people tie feet for their own safety is not necessarily the same reason as MY main reason, too. There are folks here, with whom I've played, that enjoy being tied for the release, the giving up of control. Some here do so to control their partner.

Again, different reasons for doing it, depending on who you ask.

Some here don't need tying. I'm recalling last NEST, and the 'lee that was around me most, that needed no binding. She could hold still. Trippy, and cool.

This informative bit of trivia brought to you by dvnc

DVNC is correct about open mindedness and I have added an edit to my earlier response/rant.
I'm sorry I didn't get to read FootT3000's post before it got edited. I'm sure there was alot of humor mixed in with his blatant rule breaking. His posts are like warm milk. They don't have a long shelf life.

Wait a sec

Wallstreet....."Mild Mannered"......you have a problem with my choice of words??? Well I honestly do not care. I try to be as honest as possible without getting nasty......that does not mean I kiss ass......If I have a problem, you will hear about it, but I try not to go overboard......I said it like that just to show that I am not gonna put up with that kinda bullshit......not from kujman, or anyone else for that matter.

Krokus-- I believe you misread my post. I have no problem with your choice of words. My post was in support of You and Vic Dee, not Kujman. I am the last person that you would need to explain harsh statements to.

Cool

No Hard Feelins' Wallstreet.....My Mistake.....😎

Message to Myriads-- As much as I enjoy having my number of posts stuck on 420 ( a very appropriate number ) I must inform you that the meter is not updating. Knowing you it will be fixed by the time I enter this post.

The bottom line is this! I sent him money to buy a video, i have not resived it yet, and he wount answer my email, let alone send back the money! If he is not ripping me off, why does he not reply? And what about ticklegal who runs with him, why does she not say something?