Post samples of your videos on this site!!!! It may very well make the difference between purchasing a clip or not bothering too. If people are going to pay over a dollar a minute, they want to know what they are getting. I know I won't take a chance based just on your description and a 2" picture. So post samples. It's worth it for you!
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A Strong Suggestion for Video Producers
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ticklevids
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I find it interesting/hysterical...
...that people think a dollar a minute is like some kind of high price to pay.
I'll bet any amount of money that the people who think that's a high price are either:
A) are new to the arena of purchasing porn- anyone who has been around long enough (over the the age of 35, say) remembers the crazy high prices and horrible selection, unlike today. And tickling material, forget it. anyone remember the 80's? Tobias Hackner anyone????
B) cheapskates who wouldn't buy anything anyway, no matter how cheap. I truly believe clips can be a dime for 30 minutes and still someone would bitch.
And then they'll buy their Venti half-calf soy Latte for 5 dollars and not blink. And thats gone in 15 minutes, never to return.
From an old fart whose been around, it's funny.
Only an observation, and producers can post their samples as they please of course. I think samples are good, too.
hank2001 said:
...that people think a dollar a minute is like some kind of high price to pay.
I'll bet any amount of money that the people who think that's a high price are either:
A) are new to the arena of purchasing porn- anyone who has been around long enough (over the the age of 35, say) remembers the crazy high prices and horrible selection, unlike today. And tickling material, forget it. anyone remember the 80's? Tobias Hackner anyone????
B) cheapskates who wouldn't buy anything anyway, no matter how cheap. I truly believe clips can be a dime for 30 minutes and still someone would bitch.
And then they'll buy their Venti half-calf soy Latte for 5 dollars and not blink. And thats gone in 15 minutes, never to return.
From an old fart whose been around, it's funny.
Only an observation, and producers can post their samples as they please of course. I think samples are good, too.
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I've bought quite a few clips over the years and all of them had a preview I could look at. Jeff used to post several minutes of his videos and TIB had previews that were quite long too. I miss those. I'm just not going to waste my money (as I have in the past) on clips that only give me a quick photo of the video.
For those producers who feel that their consumers are "cheapskates", they are losing my business and perhaps others.
For those producers who feel that their consumers are "cheapskates", they are losing my business and perhaps others.
Tobias Hackner
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Wow !! I haven't heard that name in a long long time !!
Actually......he started selling his material in the mid to late 70's !
Want to know what it was people ?
He sold these home made audio tickling tapes that really sucked for upwards of $75.00 to $150.00 each !! And he also sold artwork for $50.00 and up for like 15 drawings.And I don't mean drawings like those of the skilled tickling artists of today...these were crude at best. But it was all there was.
He advertised in HOM mags like Knotty and Hogtie and Bound to Please.
There was another guy named Marnie Rose out of Beaverton Oregon who sold home made Photo Packs of 25 or 30 pictures for $50.00. They were F/F ,Bondage and tickling. Some of these weren't bad, just pricey,AND THE ONLY MATERIAL AVAILABLE AT THE TIME. As a matter of fact ,some of those Pics are still floating around on the net. And they were taken in 1978 when Computers weighed 500 lbs and took up half a room !
I have to say it..you people live in Tickling utopia today. Almost anything you desire is handed to you and you still find reasons to bitch and moan that it's "Not Enough"..or " I want a freebe".
Your spoiled rotten on free material. And all you want is more and more.
Stop looking for freebies and complaining about everything. You have NO IDEA how good you've got it. Try enjoying what you have.
Having said that,let me say that I am in agreement that I believe a Short Preview Clip is good for a Vid Company's business. Sometimes,simple photos and text just don't give me enough to want to buy minutes or a clip.
My hat is off to TIB and Sole2Sole and all those company's that DO post Preview clips. It's because of them that I've purchased some of their clips.
But if a Company dosen't want to post a preview clip,that's their perogative.
Their the people hiring the models and making the clips and putting out their own money and how they want to promote them is their business.
TklVids...I guess I'm and old fart like you, because I remember buying my first HOM mag in 1976.
So now I'm gonna kick back and surf a little and enjoy seeing more tickling material in 5 minutes using my index finger then I saw in 5 years back in the 70's and 80's.
Relax people....Life is Good ! Riff
For TickleVids:
Wow !! I haven't heard that name in a long long time !!
Actually......he started selling his material in the mid to late 70's !
Want to know what it was people ?
He sold these home made audio tickling tapes that really sucked for upwards of $75.00 to $150.00 each !! And he also sold artwork for $50.00 and up for like 15 drawings.And I don't mean drawings like those of the skilled tickling artists of today...these were crude at best. But it was all there was.
He advertised in HOM mags like Knotty and Hogtie and Bound to Please.
There was another guy named Marnie Rose out of Beaverton Oregon who sold home made Photo Packs of 25 or 30 pictures for $50.00. They were F/F ,Bondage and tickling. Some of these weren't bad, just pricey,AND THE ONLY MATERIAL AVAILABLE AT THE TIME. As a matter of fact ,some of those Pics are still floating around on the net. And they were taken in 1978 when Computers weighed 500 lbs and took up half a room !
I have to say it..you people live in Tickling utopia today. Almost anything you desire is handed to you and you still find reasons to bitch and moan that it's "Not Enough"..or " I want a freebe".
Your spoiled rotten on free material. And all you want is more and more.
Stop looking for freebies and complaining about everything. You have NO IDEA how good you've got it. Try enjoying what you have.
Having said that,let me say that I am in agreement that I believe a Short Preview Clip is good for a Vid Company's business. Sometimes,simple photos and text just don't give me enough to want to buy minutes or a clip.
My hat is off to TIB and Sole2Sole and all those company's that DO post Preview clips. It's because of them that I've purchased some of their clips.
But if a Company dosen't want to post a preview clip,that's their perogative.
Their the people hiring the models and making the clips and putting out their own money and how they want to promote them is their business.
TklVids...I guess I'm and old fart like you, because I remember buying my first HOM mag in 1976.
So now I'm gonna kick back and surf a little and enjoy seeing more tickling material in 5 minutes using my index finger then I saw in 5 years back in the 70's and 80's.
Relax people....Life is Good ! Riff
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hank2001 said:
hank,
You aren't any different from every other consumer. You want it all. You feel you are entitled to free preview clips. You started your own thread about it for godsakes.
Those of us who've been around awhile think it's funny considering how good we have it now compared to what was available then. that's all.
If a dollar a minute to too much to 'risk', then that's your opinion and good luck with it.
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hank2001 said:
sure thing hank... right after that Venti Latte.
I believe all producers should provide clips. But I also think most of them do. Any company worth buying from does, although I am disappointed that SilverCherry seem to have stopped doing so. I simply will not buy a clip if I haven't seen a preview. If you want to call me a cheapskate then go ahead. I agree with hank's basic principle, but I would also advise him to quit complaining. If a producer on clips4sale does not offer previews here or at TickleTheater, they probably aren't worth purchasing from. The Big Guns - RealTickling, FrenchTickling, Last Laugh, etc. - all do, and that should be enough.
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It's like a restaurant where the items in the menu are named Food 1, Food 2, Food 3 ..., Drink 1 etc. and if you ask a waiter what's the food 2 he responds "come on, it's only 10 bucks, the food cost $100 about 20 years ago, you don't need to ask, just pay and be surprised. No refunds of course."
In my opinion in the world where quite a few producers often claim "the girl is hyperticklish" and she hardly smiles when being tickled or obviously fakes it all some preview is a must. Maybe producers who offer previews could tell us if it decreases their sales or not ( unless it is a confidential business information). BUT! Choice to make a preview or not is the right of the producer and nobody should demand it, just go shopping somewhere else. I would never buy a clip without preview but maybe many others do.
In my opinion in the world where quite a few producers often claim "the girl is hyperticklish" and she hardly smiles when being tickled or obviously fakes it all some preview is a must. Maybe producers who offer previews could tell us if it decreases their sales or not ( unless it is a confidential business information). BUT! Choice to make a preview or not is the right of the producer and nobody should demand it, just go shopping somewhere else. I would never buy a clip without preview but maybe many others do.
The Comedy
The thing I love about these threads is the comedy.
It's nice when producers post previews, but the don't have to.
Buy when you see what you like.
Tie and tickle a real live woman once in a while.
Master the dying art of "thank you", while supportively giving feedback to help someone raise their game.
Live happy.
James Darke
The thing I love about these threads is the comedy.
It's nice when producers post previews, but the don't have to.
Buy when you see what you like.
Tie and tickle a real live woman once in a while.
Master the dying art of "thank you", while supportively giving feedback to help someone raise their game.
Live happy.
James Darke
riff said:
I've only been buying for the past year or so. If you have paid $150.00 for some crap in the past, that's your lookout, not mine. I see that there is a competitive market out there, requiring adjustments in price and quality, and also quality of service.
I have bought a couple of vids with no preview which disappointed me. Why risk that again?
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I'll buy clips without a preview. But I will only buy from the producers I know are good. I know these producers are good because they post free clips. When I first came to this tickling site (i've rejoined twice) I was only 15. That was 6 years ago. I was very happy with a clip that was only 15 seconds long. A 45 second clip was a beautuful thing and when I found a clips that was just over a minute long I thought i'd died and gone to heaven! I didn't have a credit card or any means to buy clips and so scavenged everything for free.
I very soon got bored with the 10 second clips. I then wanted longer and longer clips. I also wanted more and more clips. Soon I wanted to join pay-per-view sites, order videos and then later, buy clips. I now spend a lot of money each and every year on tickling videos, clips and pay sites.
What am I going on about? Well, i'm saying that free video clips got me hooked on tickling and left me wanting more. Within a free years of just going for free clips I progressed to buying clips and then to buy more and more.
If you give away preview clips then some (maybe most) people will take the free clip and not buy anything from you. But a sizable number will buy from you. It is worth your while to offer long-duration preview clips.
I very soon got bored with the 10 second clips. I then wanted longer and longer clips. I also wanted more and more clips. Soon I wanted to join pay-per-view sites, order videos and then later, buy clips. I now spend a lot of money each and every year on tickling videos, clips and pay sites.
What am I going on about? Well, i'm saying that free video clips got me hooked on tickling and left me wanting more. Within a free years of just going for free clips I progressed to buying clips and then to buy more and more.
If you give away preview clips then some (maybe most) people will take the free clip and not buy anything from you. But a sizable number will buy from you. It is worth your while to offer long-duration preview clips.
Pay for clips with good reviews
I know my number of posts dont show it but Ive been a member of the tickling community since about 1993, most of earlier stuff when I posted all the time was under Ace919 (some of my stories can still be found on funnybones storybox), but I remember the days where the only thing you got for free were good pics with descriptions. And then we got into a flood of tons of free clips. Then they kinda of dried up and now seem to be a decent number of free clips. Although I will say I will not buy a video from a 10 or even 20 second clip when the first 3 seconds of the clip is the company name fading out with laughter in the background and the last 2 seconds are a promo for the companies website which unfortunately is what most of the clips nowadays are. The best example I can give is "The Girl Next Door", the producer from Canada. He offers a great free download and is always timed anywhere from 1 to 2 minutes and it seems he does well with people buying from him and Ive never seen him complain about not getting enough business from the clips he offers. Why more dont do it I dont know, I guess its just the way they choose to do business. Which is fine, but thats why I only buy from those I either get a good preview or enough people I trust have gotten a video or such and tell me. Word of mouth is great advertising, just make sure the mouths you use are trustworthy in the community. If the companies that produce these videos arent making money Im sure they will do something to compensate for that. But while they are doing fine with their products why should they change the way they do business just because we all want something more for free. I in no way condone this but if you really want to download clips and such for free you can do what someothers do just never say. Go to Imesh, WinMX or other file sharing spots and look for tickling videos...Ill admit I have and you can find LOTS! Heck I even once got an entire 50 minute film from Imesh. So if you want something for nothing there are ways to do it. Just dont complain about the ones who choose to pay, or those that decide not to. Were are all just cogs in this big tickling machine, true sometimes we all dont fit, but we all keep going anyway.
Well thats just my dollar and 2 cents worth.
I know my number of posts dont show it but Ive been a member of the tickling community since about 1993, most of earlier stuff when I posted all the time was under Ace919 (some of my stories can still be found on funnybones storybox), but I remember the days where the only thing you got for free were good pics with descriptions. And then we got into a flood of tons of free clips. Then they kinda of dried up and now seem to be a decent number of free clips. Although I will say I will not buy a video from a 10 or even 20 second clip when the first 3 seconds of the clip is the company name fading out with laughter in the background and the last 2 seconds are a promo for the companies website which unfortunately is what most of the clips nowadays are. The best example I can give is "The Girl Next Door", the producer from Canada. He offers a great free download and is always timed anywhere from 1 to 2 minutes and it seems he does well with people buying from him and Ive never seen him complain about not getting enough business from the clips he offers. Why more dont do it I dont know, I guess its just the way they choose to do business. Which is fine, but thats why I only buy from those I either get a good preview or enough people I trust have gotten a video or such and tell me. Word of mouth is great advertising, just make sure the mouths you use are trustworthy in the community. If the companies that produce these videos arent making money Im sure they will do something to compensate for that. But while they are doing fine with their products why should they change the way they do business just because we all want something more for free. I in no way condone this but if you really want to download clips and such for free you can do what someothers do just never say. Go to Imesh, WinMX or other file sharing spots and look for tickling videos...Ill admit I have and you can find LOTS! Heck I even once got an entire 50 minute film from Imesh. So if you want something for nothing there are ways to do it. Just dont complain about the ones who choose to pay, or those that decide not to. Were are all just cogs in this big tickling machine, true sometimes we all dont fit, but we all keep going anyway.
Well thats just my dollar and 2 cents worth.
Sure, we should all be more thankful to those who post free clips, and give more feedback, I acknowledge that they are doing something they do not have to do and it's appreciated. All the same, just because we got ripped off in the 80's, doesn't mean that things should not continue to improve and evolve. I am not trying to say we should get "spoilt" with an excessive amount of free material. I'm saying that $50 for a pack of photos or whatever was insane, and I would never have paid that even when there was NO other tickling material available. As far as I'm concerned, that's a scam, and the fact that folks were so desperate for material that they bought it is not indicative to me that it was a fair trade. In fact, I'd say it was a bit exploitive, but hey everyone who sells something that's largely unavailable will do that, it's not a crime even if it should be. Just don't complain now that we have better vids, and smarter producers who really care about quality and pleasing their customers. It's up to them if they want to give free clips, but with the amount of crap out there I will not buy without seeing something to prove it isn't fake or lousy tickling. Maybe it was easy to rip people off in the past, but now we should be moving towards higher quality instead of clinging to "satisfactory" and gambling every time we buy material. I'm not asking for 3 minute clips, or excessively intense tickles, I am just tired of people putting the consumers down for expecting reasonable quality for their money. I know things used to be worse, so should they have stayed that way? No. So why should they stop evolving into better products now? Instead of trashing Hank and calling us cheapskates, maybe you ought to consider how much money some of us spend on these videos. I don't make enough money to throw it out on things that "might" be a good deal, and might also be a piece of...crap to put it politely. We have some awesome producers right now who compete and win in the market, so may the best tickler profit, that's all I can say.
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probably just the wrong place for it...
I guess if someone has made it all the way to this point (being here at the tmf) and seen free previews for some, then they feel like they deserve something.
I think its just a business decision. I LOVE free clips. For me, just seeing a free clip is enough. I don't have the time to watch a 40 minute video anyway (too many people to come in and for me to explain to them what the hell i'm watching... haha).
Occassionally when I find something that is top-notch, I purchase. I do not purchase unless I've seen a preview. I really think that if I made videos, I wouldn't offer much for clips either, except maybe like TIB does, VERY short clips just to show whats going on.
But, from a business point of view, I think no clips make people purchase your product without getting anything for free. You don't see the Gap giving out free tee-shirts, or McDonalds giving away free meals... Not a good business decision. When its something new and innovative, or a new company, then clips are great. But since I know that TIB's stuff is good, I have no problem buying it on the basis of a tiny clip, or maybe no clip at all if its the right girl 🙂
I just think we have to respect the video companies decisions. They're not doing it because they dont like the community, they not doing it because its a business decision and they have to watch the bottom line. The video companies have to respect us too though, because I'm sure they can see our need for some sort of preview or at least a ton of photos or audio or something.
Just my two cents....
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I guess if someone has made it all the way to this point (being here at the tmf) and seen free previews for some, then they feel like they deserve something.
I think its just a business decision. I LOVE free clips. For me, just seeing a free clip is enough. I don't have the time to watch a 40 minute video anyway (too many people to come in and for me to explain to them what the hell i'm watching... haha).
Occassionally when I find something that is top-notch, I purchase. I do not purchase unless I've seen a preview. I really think that if I made videos, I wouldn't offer much for clips either, except maybe like TIB does, VERY short clips just to show whats going on.
But, from a business point of view, I think no clips make people purchase your product without getting anything for free. You don't see the Gap giving out free tee-shirts, or McDonalds giving away free meals... Not a good business decision. When its something new and innovative, or a new company, then clips are great. But since I know that TIB's stuff is good, I have no problem buying it on the basis of a tiny clip, or maybe no clip at all if its the right girl 🙂
I just think we have to respect the video companies decisions. They're not doing it because they dont like the community, they not doing it because its a business decision and they have to watch the bottom line. The video companies have to respect us too though, because I'm sure they can see our need for some sort of preview or at least a ton of photos or audio or something.
Just my two cents....
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themanathome said:
Why not be sensible and compare like with like. Of course the gap doesn't give away free t-shirts. What with the t-shirt being the finished article. Lets consider Hollywood movies. They advertise their movies through free vidoes/trailers and clips. This gives people a taster of what to expect and then people either go to see the film or not. Word of mouth is good. If you've heard that Spielberg is good, you might go to the next Speilberg film on the basis of word of mouth alone, but most people would only go and see a Spielberg movie if they were happy with the trailer or happy with the independent reviews from at least several trusted critics.
Yeah, people will be happy with making do with a clip of about a minute in length. But enough people will use the 1 minute clip and then buy the whole video. Alternatively they'll remeber how good (or bad) that clip was and base any future spending decisions on this.
The producer cannot lose by producing free clips of about a minute and a half in length.
