An open letter to all tickling video producers.

[manlee24]

I don’t mean to sound pushy, and this is all just my own personal opinion, based on my own personal tastes, but I purchase a reasonable amount of material, mostly from clips4sale stores, and I’ve found so much of it rather disappointing, for two reasons:

1) Redundancy. It seems like with any given producer, so many clips are the same thing, over and over and over. Realtickling. Girl tied down, tickled by...is that a guy in a god damn batman costume? What the hell? (personally, I don’t go for m/f at all, and wouldn’t mind seeing a little more f/f material from you guys...and more strictly f/f...meaning a guy doesn’t show up halfway through or something. That’s the only kind of clip I’ll purchase. But even so.) Tickle Central. Girl on a bed. Tickled by another girl, two other girls, or a guy. In the same manner, every time. It’s a similar situation, with most of the clip stores I come across. A single, narrowly defined manner of tickling, and very little deviation from it. I have to admit, Jessie over at...I believe it’s, the Fetish Vault...has had a few interesting, creative videos. And that’s the thing. Creativity. Be interesting. The endless supply of clips of someone restraining a girl and digging their fingers into her gets old fast.

Personally, I’m partial to the soft, sensual, but still torturous, style. Odd as it may seem, I don’t think there are enough videos where tickling is done with feathers. Feathers, feather boas, feather dusters, all good. And even scarcer, I love seeing clips where girls with long hair use it to tickle. That is so HOT! But I hardly ever see it. Yet like I said, every week, if I want to find 50 new clips of a girl tied up and tickled conventionally, no problem there. Or here’s something I’ve never seen yet. I’ve rarely seen a girl using her feet to tickle someone in a clip, but when it does happen it’s always with a bare foot. Let me tell you something, that would tickle...me, anyway...one hell of a lot more, if she had socks on. Have you ever seen those socks, that material...lemme see if I can find a pic, here...

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Something like that. Even take them off and use them to tickle. I dunno, maybe it’s just me. But if a girl would do something like that to me, I’d probably go out of my frickin’ mind with horniness. Or for that matter, you know the bras and panties with a fur trim? Maybe try to use that, somehow. Or really any clothing with a fur trim. That’d be great, too.

But regardless, my point is, a lot of these videos are getting redundant.

2) Lack Of Dialogue! Seriously, what the hell? So many clips where the ‘ler barely talks, or even worse, says NOTHING throughout the video! Arousal, to me, is just as much mental as physical. You can have the hottest action possible, if the ‘ler doesn’t say anything, it won’t do anything for me. Verbal teasing, lots of “tickle talk”, and if possible, a little bit of variety in dialogue and uses of phrases. Because repeating the same phrase over and over can get old, too. Maybe get into it a little, and say things relevant to what you’re doing? I dunno, silent ‘lers strike me as more creepy than erotic.

Thanks for hearing me out. Again, just my opinion, and not in any way intended to assert it as anything more, or undermine personal tastes which differ from my own.

 

[skelyrata]

I guess some of that was for me! Thanx!

Personally, I’m partial to the soft, sensual, but still torturous, style. Odd as it may seem, I don’t think there are enough videos where tickling is done with feathers. Feathers, feather boas, feather dusters, all good. And even scarcer, I love seeing clips where girls with long hair use it to tickle. That is so HOT! But I hardly ever see it. Yet like I said, every week, if I want to find 50 new clips of a girl tied up and tickled conventionally, no problem there.

2) Lack Of Dialogue! Seriously, what the hell? So many clips where the ‘ler barely talks, or even worse, says NOTHING throughout the video! Arousal, to me, is just as much mental as physical. You can have the hottest action possible, if the ‘ler doesn’t say anything, it won’t do anything for me. Verbal teasing, lots of “tickle talk”, and if possible, a little bit of variety in dialogue and uses of phrases. Because repeating the same phrase over and over can get old, too. Maybe get into it a little, and say things relevant to what you’re doing? I dunno, silent ‘lers strike me as more creepy than erotic.

Well, I can assure you that I am always exploring new ways of tickling a woman. Thats why I have incorporated feathers and stuff. I like the seduction aspect of sensual tickling. I have found that is a lot better to make a woman feel tortourusly good, rather than been mean. It give better results in camera. Specially when you reach the muscle and nerves level and her body starts shaking out of control. When I feel those unvoluntary movements, I think the session is being a success.

As for me being in the clips, well, as I said before this are my fantasies and I like to tickle girls.

Also putting 2 girls together in one room at the same time is not easy, and I am trying, but for some reason, women have to concept of time and punctuality. And the fact that I don't live in metro area makes more difficult for girl to come to me.

If you check my current tickling series you will see that I am constantly talking to the camera and and to the girl. Yes is a lot better to see the interaction between them, specialy when is not scripted. Is very spontaneous.

Thanx for the comments.

I'll keep them in mind.

 

[dman68]

amen. i agree with pretty much everything you said. having bought many various clips myself, i know what you are talking about and to skelyrata, good for you because the vast majority of producers get all pissy when a little constructive criticim is thrown their way so kudos.

 

[manlee24]

Well, I can assure you that I am always exploring new ways of tickling a woman. Thats why I have incorporated feathers and stuff. I like the seduction aspect of sensual tickling. I have found that is a lot better to make a woman feel tortourusly good, rather than been mean. It give better results in camera. Specially when you reach the muscle and nerves level and her body starts shaking out of control. When I feel those unvoluntary movements, I think the session is being a success.

As for me being in the clips, well, as I said before this are my fantasies and I like to tickle girls.

Also putting 2 girls together in one room at the same time is not easy, and I am trying, but for some reason, women have to concept of time and punctuality. And the fact that I don't live in metro area makes more difficult for girl to come to me.

If you check my current tickling series you will see that I am constantly talking to the camera and and to the girl. Yes is a lot better to see the interaction between them, specialy when is not scripted. Is very spontaneous.

Thanx for the comments.

I'll keep them in mind.

Thanks for understanding, man! Much appreciated, though I'm not familiar with your stuff, and so have no idea if anything I said applies to your clips. I checked out your clip stores, and noticed that it's either entirely or almost entirely m/f material. Don't get me wrong, that's fine. I know that's what does it, for some people, and I understand the difficulties you described, in putting together the f/f stuff. And I definitely appreciate that you put the effort into creativity (I'll take your word for that lol). m/f material just doesn't do anything for me. No offense whatsoever intended.

 

[leechmaster]

You know, what you said is a lot about different tastes. In my case it's actually the other way around: I'm very happy with the most simple setups, e.g. Ticklecentral's bedspread scenes. I find all the variety I need in different 'lees and 'lers whereas crazy setups are often used to distract from a lack of ticklishness and tend to annoy me.

However, I agree with the following:

1) More strict f/f tickling without the male producer stepping in or doing hidden tickling off frame.

2) More interaction and verbal teasing. But this can only be influenced by the producer up to a certain point, depends a lot on the models. The good clips have it already.

 

[Bugman]

You know, what you said is a lot about different tastes. In my case it's actually the other way around: I'm very happy with the most simple setups, e.g. Ticklecentral's bedspread scenes. I find all the variety I need in different 'lees and 'lers whereas crazy setups are often used to distract from a lack of ticklishness and tend to annoy me.

However, I agree with the following:

1) More strict f/f tickling without the male producer stepping in or doing hidden tickling off frame.

2) More interaction and verbal teasing. But this can only be influenced by the producer up to a certain point, depends a lot on the models. The good clips have it already.

You and i share the same tastes in this it seems.And when it comes down to it,there are only so many senarios that can be thought of,and only so many women willing to make tickling videos.Just as there are only so many ways to tickle someone.

 

[leechmaster]

You and i share the same tastes in this it seems.And when it comes down to it,there are only so many senarios that can be thought of,and only so many women willing to make tickling videos.Just as there are only so many ways to tickle someone.

Exactly, and especially the producers with fancy scenarios have to realize that there's also only so many girls that are actually ticklish.

 

[manlee24]

You know, what you said is a lot about different tastes.

I'm well aware, and acknowledged it repeatedly, in my post.

 

[manlee24]

And when it comes down to it,there are only so many senarios that can be thought of,and only so many women willing to make tickling videos.Just as there are only so many ways to tickle someone.

No offense, but it takes a real lack of creativity and thought to make a claim like that. It's true, to an extent, and I'll readily admit that it irritates me when tickling videos try to have too much of a plot, or as the other person said, so much that it distracts from the tickling, i.e. the point of the video. But still, the limits of any kind of creation are largely determined by the mentality of the creator, and I still stand by my point, that material has been too redundant.

 

[jaba]

Companies stick with the same scenes and scenarios because they are popular and they sell....as Bugman and others indicated, its the ticklishness of the lee that is of primary importance to me....

And if my preferred companies begin to focus more on different plots and scenarios and less on the ticklishness of their ladies, they will certainly lose me as a customer.......I could care less if Steven Speilberg was the tickle movie producer....the ticklee is the key......

 

[skelyrata]

Come on, admit it, you guys wish to be in my shoes!

Lets not forget that most tickling producers, me included, operate on very tight budgets that barely allows to pay for one model, maybe 2, pushing it.
For most of the producers this is more like a hobby and we do it for the fun of it and we don't millions of dollars to invest in a robot with eight hands and 100 fingers that can tickle the girl everywhere at the same time for ever.

So when it comes to scenarios we have to go for what we have that doesn't cost money... THE BED. Basic. Simple. And effective.

Now, after 2 or 3 shootings I also find boring to limit shoots to the bed, thats why I have added the workout chair, and the power tower, but still those are low cost gear. As for the tools, feathers and stuff, is all matter of going shopping one day and think what can be use to tickle someone, that I haven't used before.

As for getting rid of that producer that is always tickling the cute girl, well, with the exception of 2 or 3 producers, most of us don't make any real money out of this. The money of the sells goes to pay for the models to make the videos. We shoot, we edit, we upload, prepare the previews so that those who can't buy at least can enjoy a little, because for us this is art and we do it with passion and love.

Now, at least for me, the only reward that I get from all this is the oportunity of tickling the girl, with each shooting I learn more about the women body and discover new hotspots and explore new tricks to make her moan and vibrate with my touch and this is my reward!

And the fact that a strange woman trust me with her life, by getting naked and allowing me to tie her up, and touch her body, sure that I will never cross the line, thats a reward! And I am very honored!

And at the end hearing from her "I had fun" and "when do we shoot next". Thats a reward.

And also, my fantasies always involve a man seducing a woman or a woman seducing a man. Is fun to watch female/female clips, but for me what is really romantic and erotic is watching a couple playing.

It may be an old fashion concept, but thats my fantasy, thats my fetish, and thats what I do. This doesn't mean that I won't shoot a f/f video if the oportunity comes, but there are millions of sites out there doing f/f stuff, and very few focusing on a man and a woman in a sensual game.

And do you really think that am gonna give away the oportunity of tickling a girl like Emily? Are you crazy! You wish it was you!

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[leechmaster]

As for getting rid of that producer that is always tickling the cute girl, well, with the exception of 2 or 3 producers, most of us don't make any real money out of this. The money of the sells goes to pay for the models to make the videos. We shoot, we edit, we upload, prepare the previews so that those who can't buy at least can enjoy a little, because for us this is art and we do it with passion and love.

And do you really think that am gonna give away the oportunity of tickling a girl like Emily? Are you crazy! You wish it was you!

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Of course it's perfectly fine to do it that way, it's your decision. On the other hand there *are* companies who also get money out of it and your line of argumentation also works the other way around: If you *do* want to earn some money you have to satisfy many different tastes and that involves not only doing what is fun for yourself.

Unfortunately Emily embodies everything I don't like about "interesting scenarios": She is just not ticklish enough for my tastes.
@manlee24: And that's the point: I don't say that it isn't possible to be creative when it comes to creating interesting setups. It's just that most producers take the second step before the first and forget about the essential: Ticklishness. That's why the best tickling videos are rarely talked about because of their innovative ideas. So I guess you're right when you say it's hard to find good material that has the best of both worlds.

 

[manlee24]

Companies stick with the same scenes and scenarios because they are popular and they sell....as Bugman and others indicated, its the ticklishness of the lee that is of primary importance to me....

And if my preferred companies begin to focus more on different plots and scenarios and less on the ticklishness of their ladies, they will certainly lose me as a customer.......I could care less if Steven Speilberg was the tickle movie producer....the ticklee is the key......

Well yeah, but that's YOUR preference. I never said they should stop focusing on that, I just expressed my tastes and stated that I'm finding a lack of satisfying material. No sense of, "This is what I like, everything else must go!" What if they were to focus on what you'd mentioned with some clips, and appease different preferences and tastes with some others? There's nothing that says they have to pick one particular set of preferences to please.

 

[jaba]

Well yeah, but that's YOUR preference. I never said they should stop focusing on that, I just expressed my tastes and stated that I'm finding a lack of satisfying material. No sense of, "This is what I like, everything else must go!" What if they were to focus on what you'd mentioned with some clips, and appease different preferences and tastes with some others? There's nothing that says they have to pick one particular set of preferences to please.

Thats true....and there are so many tickle media producers in the market nowadays that I would bet that sometime in the future there probably will be scenarios to suit all tastes.....and hopefully you will find what suits you....

perhaps i'm just easy in that regard....all I require is an extremely ticklish lee , and I require her to have a great laugh that pleases me, and I require her to be tickled in a restrictive bondage position that i prefer......I usually can find most of that here, particularly with the massive proliferation of new producers, which naturally means new ticklish ladies, and some are very ticklish and meet my preferences....

Each day, you could put a new very ticklish lady, with a killer laugh, in a "mummy' tickling wrap and tickle her, and I do not think that I would ever get bored with that scenario..because the very ticklish lady and her laugh and the bondage position are the key for me.......but I guess I can understand that folks that put more emphasis on scenes and scenarios would get bored with my preferences....

I hope you find what you seek.....I think you will, as time passes....good luck.... 🙂

 

[jaba]

Unfortunately Emily embodies everything I don't like about "interesting scenarios": She is just not ticklish enough for my tastes.

@manlee24: And that's the point: I don't say that it isn't possible to be creative when it comes to creating interesting setups. It's just that most producers take the second step before the first and forget about the essential: Ticklishness. That's why the best tickling videos are rarely talked about because of their innovative ideas. So I guess you're right when you say it's hard to find good material that has the best of both worlds.

I agree....good point......

 

[LBFT]

Customer is Always Right!

Manlee 24,
I agree with most of what you had to say. Most tickling companies put out the same stuff over & over again. Ticklee tied down & tickled that is it. I like a story line. Why is the ticklee being tied up & tickled. Have more than 1 tickler. I really enjoy gangF/F foot-tickling. But the tickling companies tell me it is hard to get more than 2 girls together at the same time for a clip. Yet whenever a male is gang tickled there are 3,4 or even sometimes 5 girls tickling him. But I'm always told it is hard to get that many girls together. If you are looking for good clips go to ticklingparadise.com & click on there clip site I'm sure you will be very happy with everything they have to offer. Renee knows how to please & take care of the customer.

Thank You,
LBFT

 

[skelyrata]

Sorry. I fixed the quote!

But the tickling companies tell me it is hard to get more than 2 girls together at the same time for a clip. Yet whenever a male is gang tickled there are 3,4 or even sometimes 5 girls tickling him. But I'm always told it is hard to get that many girls together.

Thank You,
LBFT

You are assuming that all women will say yes to a girl/girl scene. I mean would a man (straight) say YES right away to be tied up and tickled by a man? How about three or four men at the same time? I wouldn't!

When I started doing this in february I managed book 2 girls at the same time. One of them agreed to be tickled by the other one, but the other one did not. Then when I tickled both of them individually they wanted to do a revange scene in which they tickle me.

So even in the erotic fantasy world natural male/female still dominates and is a lot easier to negotiate.

But when I try to negotiate a g/g scene the "buts" and conditions fly around.

 

[manlee24]

(as quoted above the post)

Manlee 24 said:
But the tickling companies tell me it is hard to get more than 2 girls together at the same time for a clip. Yet whenever a male is gang tickled there are 3,4 or even sometimes 5 girls tickling him. But I'm always told it is hard to get that many girls together.

Actually, no, I didn't say that. I do completely understand, and am fully able to empathize, and realize that there is no way in hell I would agree to be tickled by someone of the same sex, unless I were paid a ridiculous amount of money, a few million or so, plus the cost of the therapy I would have to undergo, as a result lol.

 

[manlee24]

Thats true....and there are so many tickle media producers in the market nowadays that I would bet that sometime in the future there probably will be scenarios to suit all tastes.....and hopefully you will find what suits you....

perhaps i'm just easy in that regard....all I require is an extremely ticklish lee , and I require her to have a great laugh that pleases me, and I require her to be tickled in a restrictive bondage position that i prefer......I usually can find most of that here, particularly with the massive proliferation of new producers, which naturally means new ticklish ladies, and some are very ticklish and meet my preferences....

Each day, you could put a new very ticklish lady, with a killer laugh, in a "mummy' tickling wrap and tickle her, and I do not think that I would ever get bored with that scenario..because the very ticklish lady and her laugh and the bondage position are the key for me.......but I guess I can understand that folks that put more emphasis on scenes and scenarios would get bored with my preferences....

I hope you find what you seek.....I think you will, as time passes....good luck.... 🙂

Haha, thanks! Yeah, probably, as time passes. I realize, too, that that is a large part of the problem I'm encountering: My tastes are far too specific. Producing videos based on the speculation of what people would like to see is kind of a crap shoot, and having specific interests in mind, it is unlikely that they will be satisfied without letting the producers know what they are. That's pretty much what I meant to accomplish, in this post. Just "Hey, this is the kind of thing I'm into, it would be great to see some of it, if possible. Thanks!"

 

[skelyrata]

(as quoted above the post)


Actually, no, I didn't say that. I do completely understand, and am fully able to empathize, and realize that there is no way in hell I would agree to be tickled by someone of the same sex, unless I were paid a ridiculous amount of money, a few million or so, plus the cost of the therapy I would have to undergo, as a result lol.

Ooop! I fixed the quote!

And I am taking notes of all this. I can assure you that when I get the right chance I will try to make something that meet your needs.

 

[JimmyBroadway]

Have you checked these folks out?

Have you looked at Tickle Delights? ( http://clips4sale.com/store/7484)
While the ticklees are both male and female, the ticklers are all women. They use a number of different women, different locations, and actually create stories and characrters for their clips. Everthing I've bought from them has been well done.
Speaking of using different things to tickle, I've heard there's a clip out there where a guy puts a feather duster in an electric drill. Has anyone seen it? Anyone know where to get a copy?

 

[Uktickler]

And I am taking notes of all this. I can assure you that when I get the right chance I will try to make something that meet your needs.

Just wanted to say it is good to see you are taking notes. I have to commend your customer care so far, I am impressed, you are very responsive.

I am suprise more producers have not posted that they are listening, it just seems like good business sense to me.

Find out what your customers want and then make it and sell it to them! like wow what a novel idea.

There is of course a big problem and that is tastes in girls are all different, for example there are a few clips I have seen where the scenerios are exactly what I like, but I have never bought them because I did not like the girl or because there was some subtle twist (such as the girl was in nylons) that put me off. If that was the only type of clip that producer made in that particular position and it flopped then he/she would assume it is not popular when in fact it was something else that stopped me (and possibly others) from buying it.

So I guess it must be true what they say, 'You cant please everyone all of the time'

 

[skelyrata]

Just wanted to say it is good to see you are taking notes. I have to commend your customer care so far, I am impressed, you are very responsive.

I am suprise more producers have not posted that they are listening, it just seems like good business sense to me.

Find out what your customers want and then make it and sell it to them! like wow what a novel idea.

There is of course a big problem and that is tastes in girls are all different, for example there are a few clips I have seen where the scenerios are exactly what I like, but I have never bought them because I did not like the girl or because there was some subtle twist (such as the girl was in nylons) that put me off. If that was the only type of clip that producer made in that particular position and it flopped then he/she would assume it is not popular when in fact it was something else that stopped me (and possibly others) from buying it.

So I guess it must be try what they say, 'You cant please everyone all of the time'

Thank you! Thats one of the reasons why I don't believe in charging for costume videos. I take the requests as ideas to explore and try in future shootings when conditions come together and make them possible, including budget and cast.

I am also trying to combine different fetishes in one session to have variety and grabs more people attention. This means that I am not gonna do a just-foot-tickling-shoot (for example), but I can do 3 or 4 minutes out of the hour and then make a special cut as I have done already.

The main problem I am having right now is that I have had irresponsible models that book a shooting but never show up, and to be precise about 12 models where suppose to show up and never came this month and didn't even bother to call or send an email. Thats why the main store hasn't had any real updates all this month.

I am just lucky that Emily is a responsible model and always shows up ready to work. Also the fact that I work so much with her actually has allowed me to know her better and explore different aspects of her body and how she reacts. Thats something that can't be acomplish on the first shoot.

P.D.

Am gonna take this chance to blow out some steem here. This critic goes to producers in general.

There are some producers out there that book the model with one deal for kind of shooting, and when the girl is there, they change the work specs and ask for stuff that weren't in the original deal, or just assume that it was implied. This kind of producers are creating a bad reputation in the industry and hurting the good producers that are trying to keep a clean and honest business.

 

[manlee24]

Ooop! I fixed the quote!

And I am taking notes of all this. I can assure you that when I get the right chance I will try to make something that meet your needs.

lol quite all right, I kinda figured the misquote wasn't intentional. I appreciate very much that you've considered my post, too. 🙂 You're all right, man.

 

[jaba]

There is of course a big problem and that is tastes in girls are all different, for example there are a few clips I have seen where the scenerios are exactly what I like, but I have never bought them because I did not like the girl or because there was some subtle twist (such as the girl was in nylons) that put me off. If that was the only type of clip that producer made in that particular position and it flopped then he/she would assume it is not popular when in fact it was something else that stopped me (and possibly others) from buying it.

that's a very good point....there have also for me been instances where one of my favorite lees has been tickled in a bodage position that doesnt particularly interest me, or perhaps in a tickle wrestling scenario, and I just pass on that particular clip.....

so perhaps it's a good idea if you have a lee that appeals to you from a particular tickle company, make your preferences or desired scenarios known to the producer, and there is a chance that your scenario will be featured in future media.....this has actually happened in the past for me where I requested a particular ticklee to be tickled in a certain scenario, and the producer did just that.....so it certainly can happen in some instances.....