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Animation vs Real

TKLDNSNE

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This is my first time posting a question on this site and I am not sure if it has been asked before. When I was young I got into tickling by watching it on cartoons. Now that I am older I have been into real tickling videos. So here is my question: Would you rather watch a cartoon tickling scene or a real one?

TLD
 
I give that a decisive "it depends". If it's your typical porn-style boring f/f clip then give me a cartoon that shows a little imagination.
I don't like real life videos unless they're...well...real. If there's any amount of "fake" in it (fake laughs, fake plastic looking people) then I'll take an animation over that any day.
 
I hate fake stuff too. I can smell it a mile away. Thanks for your input nessonite.

TLD
 
I agree 100% 🙂 Good animation tk (as well as good mainstream tk, at least for me) is far better than most of the commercial stuff around.
 
Gotta agree with ness on that one. There's only so much you can do with real situations. But with cartoons there's so many options and so much creativity. For instance:

Dragonquest: Guy calls monster to lick girl's feet into giving him information.
Lupin the 3rd: Fujiko is strapped down to a rack, and tickled EVERYWHERE, just for fun.
TMNT: A villain that tortures his captives by tickling their bare feet? I would KILL to see someone in real life that would do that.

All of these extraordinary situations can be portrayed in cartoons, but not in real life.
 
I used to like cartoon tickling when I was a kid, now I'd rather watch a video
 
cartoons

Animation/Cartoons...

Hmmm my memory how i got into it is a bit vague but I remember that certain 'thoughts' popped up in my mind at times 🙂

And well... the April O'neil tickling did have an evident effect on me. As did other 'classics'.
I always loved em.

But I noticed i had this fethish by accident mostly.
Or subconsciously... searched for it.
On the net 6 perhaps even more much more years ago when I still had to use my dad's comp to serve. And never got past a weekly post in that one crappy PBEM RPG i was in.
Ran into a pic... a cartoon and it intrigued me.
And I continued to search.
I looted the yahoogroups later on... .
Started to check more... 'real' stuff too.
But I mainly was intrigued by cartoons and written stories.
I like SOME videoclips but most not.
Too porn orientated or a bit disgusting at times.
Not that I mind adult... But the portrayal is importnat and most clips lack that.
Plus cartoons (animated and just pics) allow much more freedom of situations and chars. (perhaps an rpg syndrome? (; )
 
I prefer animated scenes myself, but that may stem from my general misanthropy and dislike of mankind.
 
i like watching tickling scenes in japanese anime simply because the scenes are ironically more realistic and interesting. Some(not all) of these videos companies hire really bad actors.
 
Animated scenes are my favorite. It probably stems from being an animation fan. I also adore hentai. <3
 
Real. NO question no comparison. Real. All real all the time. LIVE LIVE LIVE

TTD
 
I'm surprised...I thought more people would say they prefer the live action porno stuff.
I have to make a distinction here...There is a difference between "real" meaning live action and "real" meaning genuine and not-faked.
Ironically the animated tk couldn't be MORE fake since it's made with people that don't even exist...but if I ever saw an animation that was as horribly BAD as some of the commercially produced, scripted CRAP with dorks in comtumes and stuff then I wouldnt like that either. 😛
 
Although I seem to be in the minority, I far prefer tasteful live-action videos to animations, unless the animation is extremely realistic.
 
Basically people tend to prefer quality over quantity...
And it has to have some good taste.
 
i would always get that special feeling watching tickling in cartoons as a kid. nowadays i'd prefer the real thing and still get that special feeling
 
I'd like to point out something:

nothing it's better than real/live, non fake videos, with real persons, preferably not commercial (if they are commercial, even if they look real, there can be acting).
One example: the italian renfaire stuff.

But...

Since the vast majority of the commercial stuff, in my humble opinion, is blatantly fake, some cartoon or non cartoon mainstream scenes, that are admittedly scripted, acted and, for cartoons, with non existing persons, are absolutely good, inspiring, very well realized, and so on.

For example, a cartoon scene in which the animation portrays the ticklee's reactions and/or the tickler's enjoyment in a specially effective way, maybe exaggerating and caricaturing those aspects, can very well match the taste of a ticklephile, since many of us, including myself, find the silly, playful part of tickling particularly attractive.
And many other details can increase the scene's attraction, for example, a particularly good dubbing of the ticklee or of the tickler.

The best amongst those cartoons can be, for those people who like those silly aspects of tickling, very funny, exciting and even arousing, much more of much of that commercial stuff, that is acted, scripted, fake, but not so well realized, plus was intended to be "real", while it is evidently not, and specifically oriented to ticklephiles, which can be "offensive", at some extent... 😉

Anyway there is commercial stuff that is very good, and much of the non commercial stuff is actually great.
 
We must remember that its all visual anyway. And in this case it would stem from a desire to have a situation or have a character thats not cannot be had but is no less real for it.

Example:

You can't place Buffy the Vampire Slayer (nor Sarah Michelle Gellar either) in this world as you would want them. Buffy Summers is a fanciful character. Gellar is an actress playing the part of this fanciful character. Suppose there was a tickling scene (maybe there is, I don't know I'm not a fan), and suppose Buffy is ticklish. Yes, thats real, but Gellar being ticklish may or may not be and the two are two completely different people.

So if you're getting your satisfaction out of this proposed scene because of the actress, then its because of that, not the character or the event, or what is happening, because THAT stuff is real in the contexts in which its happening.

See, the trick of movies, tv, anime, whatever medium is that we must try and keep our minds in perspective and into the world and reality the story takes place in.

When people say things objectively, things like "yeah right, that could never happen, thats so fake!" they have forgotten that its real and possible there, to those people, in that world. And provided that world follows and is binded somehow by the real reality of this world then one form of tickling as in anime, over another unreal character (ie: Buffy) doesn't make for a whole lot of difference if you get the same visual satisfaction out of it all the same.

An anime character getting their foot tickled for example is no more unsatifying than another fictional character getting the same treatment and they're portrayed by an actor. People make a difference because one is completely tangible and the other is not. But if the feelings, emotions, and nature of the situation was still provoked and felt by the audiance than its just as real. Thats what movies, tv, and yes, even anime aim to do even. They exist non-existantly.

Its not a matter of whether its contrived or not, or fake because in this medium (that io tickling) both are fake in actuality, but very real in presentability.

I'm a voice actor, maybe I'll be a regular actor someday too, but I don't see any difference between my bringing life to a character through my voice or by me physically acting out this role. Why? Because my heart and soul is INTO what I AM doing whether its verbal or physical, or both. Either way, the character is fictional, even if I more physically embody said character. The character is no less believable because I was not there to physically give it substance. Its made whole and alive by my talents as an actor. I give life to something which would otherwise be mute. In turn, animators give movement to something which would otherwise be idle.

Its the same for this topic in terms of what is real and what isn't real. None of its real. Its all fiction. But its real where it exists. To be technical, if an animator can draw a character to look exactly like real humans (and they can and do) and what they are doing with the characters are as realistic by lively standards, then I don't see how there can be a difference between this and watching something real. They're both real because they've both provoked the same kind of feelings.

If they haven't, then its because people have created a subconscious doublestandard, where our dear Buffy the Vampire Slayer is more real than Line Inverse and Witch Hunter Robin (for example).

Its all the same, just a different medium through which you're viewing this fantasy. Unless you created the video or had it created for you exactly as you wanted it, its not real. Even then its fake, as you are setting up a situation thats wouldn't have happened otherwise. Just because they're human beings and theres flesh and bone and life that makes it real? Not really. You can never see exactly what you want to, even if you are creating it.

I'm an artist, and even I can't do that. I can only strive to achieve the image I have in my mind and hope and try my best that it comes out as close to what I had imagined. The same is true for those in the movie industry and even the humble tickling video producers. The same is true for anyone that creates anything, past, present, and future.

They can only give you a glimpse of what could be real and would be otherwise, but something that not actually is.

Anime is real if it delivers an emotion or feeling.
Fictional characters potrayed by actors are real if they deliver an emotion or feeling.
Written characters made tangible only by the words that discribe them ARE real if they deliver an emotion or feeling.

See, its not the characters that are unreal, its the situations they are in. And as I've explained, those can be real, but the medium through which they are presented to you are not a factor as they will never be anything more than a visual image to you.

I know this just seems like common sense, but I don't think its used enough, and its always interesting the perspective that can be reached through it.
 
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Furthermore, when it comes specifically to tickling, anime IS more satisfying or has the potential to be than real portayals by actors. Why? Its simple.

An anime character can be made to be ticklish and the situation they are in, realistic or not, is genuine.

Actors playing a role are just that- actors. You cannot physically, mentally, or emotionally command them to be exactly like you want them to be. They are either genuinely ticklish or have to fake it to make you feel your money was not wasted.

In this way, you already know its fake, but buy into it anyway.

Anime may not be completely tangible in the way actors are, but whats happening there is completely real, not faked, not staged. It doesn't have to be.

Here it does if a profit is going to be made.

Tickling videos are flawed as is the wish and desire to capture tickling and to try and have others view it in the light that it is completely genuine, physically and virtually. They cannot gurantee you someone is ticklish, and they cannot gurantee you the situation is even plausible. You're talking about tying someone up at random because they responded to an ad or you met them on the street or through a friend and paying them to let you tickle them and saying "if you want this money, pretend to laugh and follow our cues".

These producers are also directors. They control everything, but it fails every time when a person is not ticklish.

Thats why these companies insist that their models (which really become actors while being paid) are first timers, or they want to make it look like its non consensual even though it is (to give it more of an air that its unpredictable). They want to try and capture the satisfaction which is something they never really can do if you think about it. They want something that does not last to last forever and they want to try and make every situation a perfect situation, and theres no such thing. And what of past models still making videos? Don't you think they get tired of being tickled and so used to it and so ham it up to make it seem as real as it used to seem? Thats lying right to you, those that pay to see them, and you don't even care. They probably smile in spite. Spite because they know what they are doing will never be real, will always be questioned, and they NEED YOU to survive in this play-by-pay business.

If they showed you reality, you'd all stop watching this stuff, yet thats what you want, reality. Imagine reality, its a girl or guy (whatever you're into) looking bored, confused, maybe even angry at just sitting there, lying there, or being tied there and being poked and proded and it does absolutely nothing for them or to them and they might as well be poking a wall.

Animation will never be plagued by any of these problems. So thats one major thing in favor of animation. I'd rather see something that is real and genuine and voiced to sound real thus making it so (animation), than to see actors pretending to be susceptible to something they are not.

"But they're sexy models" doesn't even cut it, thats no excuse. It could be your ideal woman or man being tickled. If they're just acting then whats the point? Are you going to pretend to be happy at what you are seeing? You know its fake, they know its fake, and the people making it know its fake and hope you don't listen to people like me who pour cold water on you to wake you up. They're preying on your fetish, something that will never be satisfied through mere viewing alone, and you know it.

This situation, like alot of things, is deeper than this one thread makes it out to be.

If you want something thats real in this reality, not scripted or staged, tickle your girl/boyfriend or your wife/husband why don't you and be satisfied with the genuiness of that.

What are you doing looking to people you don't know to do this for you? Provided you have a social life, the solutions should be all around you, in your social, personal, and romantic relationships.

Some balding perv with substandard equippment, getting in the way of the view as his cameraman films him tickling some broad whose only doing this for chump change is not the answer you want, I know its not.

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If you want your ticklish encounters to be more plentiful simply don't expect them to happen at all. Let them happen on their own. Don't plot, don't plan. It may not happen often, but when a happy fate of chance falls into your lap, I would think that would be more wholesome fun than having to stage the whole thing and agree upon it non-verbally. That gets old.

It will happen or chances for it to happen will transpire when you least expect them, or they'll sort of happen almost on their own. Sort of like how a couple embrace in a kiss that wasn't already premeditated and the flow of events lead to it rather than a feeling of obligation or to prove something.
 
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I'm in agreement with those who say genuine over fake. Cartoons and live action are pretty much tied as long as both are believable and enjoyable. Overly childish and unbelievable cartoon tickling isn't much fun. Totally unbelievable and contrived live action tickling isn't any fun either.
 
In short... anime/Cartoons/Artwork has infinite possibilities as long as the imagination and skill is there.
Reality is limited by itself.
 
Thanks everyone for all your great input on this my first thread topic. I never thought I would get so many responses. You are all awesome.

TLD
 
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