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Atkins Diet

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I was wondering how many of you were on this diet, and how it's working for you so far? I know it's all about eating meats, cheese, and stuff like that but are there any good "atkin's friendly" alternatives to make up for the stuff the diet makes you miss like bread, pasta, or even chocolate?

It's pretty bad the first day I'm on this, and I'm already wanting a sundae. Which I haven't had one in forever, and had no desire to really have one until I today when knew I couldn't anymore... 🙁

*sigh*
 
Good for you, TT! I've been on this diet off and on. I have practically NO will power so it's pretty difficult but when I'm serious about it it works like a charm. 🙂
Recently I've picked it back up again and I'm determined to actually get in better shape this time.
I suggest, if you havent already, that you read the latest revision of the Atkins "new Diet Revolution" book and as far as mantaining a low-carb lifestyle once you're where you want to be "Atkins For Life" is a good book.
You will find though that low-carb recipes rely heavily on bizarre obscure ingredients that I've never even heard of much less have in my kitchen. So basically it's experimentaion with what tastes good to you.
The best way to keep from getting SICK AND TIRED of eating meat and cheese is to not rely soley on that type of food. Incorperate a LOT of veggies into your meals. Stuff like Broccoli, spinach (some people dont like those but I adore them), salad greens, etc are really low in carbs.
Fortunately as low-carb diets have become more mainstream a ton of food makers have jumped on the band wagon and there are a LOT of low carb alternatives in the grocery store. low-carb breads, pasta, bagels, etc are expensive but available. I for one can NOT survive of naturally low carb foods. I just get cravings too bad so it's worth the extra expense.
A year or so ago these things were not available and if you wanted "bread" you had to buy the Atkins bread mix which is really rather nasty.
Breyers now has a low-carb ice cream which is really good and recently I've been plunking down the ENORMOUS amount of money for low-carb candy bars by slim fast, Atkins, etc. They're expensive but really tasty. They're sweetened with sugar alcohols which arent digested easily by your body so the net carbs is only like 3 or 4 grams each. It makes them taste a bit like liquor but to me that's a really good thing.
Also for snacks try smallish amounts of peanuts or other types of nuts. If you like them try pork rinds cause sometimes you just NEED nice salty potato chips and it's a good alternative. Though now I see Atkins has some sort of super expensive chips but I've not tried them.

Anyway...really long answer but here's the gist of it. A low carb diet works really well. You may spend the first 2 weeks being a gibbering craving laden fool but after that it gets way easier. I really recommend reading Dr Atkin's book if you havent already so you can get a feel of the different stages and what to expect.

*sigh* I have tendancy to go on a tangent, dont I?
 
i am interested in this but i always used to think carbs were good for you. i tihnk the best way to lose weight is to cut down the caloric intake that your body consumes while increasing the amount of calorie that you destroy ro burn off in a day. also if you get to exerciseing then you got to keep increasing what you do so that your body keeps buring those evil calories.
 
Well Atkins works for me so I'm going to stick with it. I have already lost 12lbs in the first 6 days mind you I realize most of it is water weight, but still not bad to start. I have also taken up basketball again to keep my heart healthy from all the fatty meat I have taken in.
 
TT,
Congratulations, man! Even though fat intake is not regulated on Atkins it's still advisable to eat low-fat cuts of meat. Although it isn't a conventional calorie counting diet you still need to eat less than you burn to lose weight.
Also there is usually a surge of water weight loss at the very beginning because you are not eating all of the carbs and dairy that make you bloated. You probably notice that you feel a lot better as well. It is easy to get dicouraged as the weight loss stabalizes and settles into a more healthy 1, 2 or 3 pounds per week. And some weeks you may plateu and not lose anything at all.
I'm happy for you though. I hope you have continued success. I've managed to lose 5 or 6 lbs over the last 11 days so my progress has been slower but everybody reacts a bit differently.
 
Good for you, bossman! Exercise is definitely the way to go, and basketball is a great way to get it!


No diet tips from this one, as my metabolism keeps the fat away, but I can say this: My dad eats nothin but those frozen salads and frozen chicken sandwiches you buy at BJs and Sam's Club, and he has stayed healthy and thin for over five years. Of course, he is as crazy as I am, but if you really want to lose it, go with that. 😛
 
exercise is very important but you do not always have to play basketball. try just walking. they say it is the best exercise and it kills choloestrol, high blood pressure and other ailments. also walking to places takes more timethan driving so it give you less time to be eating
 
Guys tend to lose weight a lot more easily than girls anyway. Something to do with the rate their metabolism runs at they say. I went on the Atkins diet a year or so ago. I lost 9lb in the first 5 days and a stone (14 lb) in the first week. The main problem for me was that you have to go shopping every two days or so, instead of once a week. Because a lot of things like potatoes, rice, pasta and bread were out of the question, I had to make up iron and vitamins from lots of extra greens. Trouble is that frozen or preserved ones almost always were higher in sugar, the most concentrated form of carbohydrate there is! So it had to be fresh veg, which goes manky if held for more than a few days.



A very effective diet by all accounts. Many scare stories about high cholesterol and kidney infections, all total bollocks. Several people on Atkins went down with said health problems and all of a sudden everyone is shitting themselves about it. Strange how statistics can be slanted. the story was presented as "this week 13 people on th Atkins diet went down with kidney infections etc...". What would have been more accurate is "This week out of a couple of hundred thousand people doing the Atkins diet, 13 had some form of health problem."

Bottom line is that being on this diet is a lot healthier than living on a diet of cigarettes and cheesburgers. Good luck with it TT. 🙂
 
Well said, Jim. Statistics can be skewed to say whatever you want them to say. If I was to research whether or not cigarettes were addictive for instance I would not ask for reports funded by the tobacco industry. 😛
 
Very true Ness. And when it comes to what is best for my continued good health, the last body I'd trust is the medical profession.

Speaking of which, did you ever read the big long post I did when having an argument with a doctor about how good or bad vitamin supplements are?
 
No I didn't Jim. Could you offer up a link for us?
I have my own reservations when it comes to the medical community. If I thought there were any doctors that were truly honest maybe my family and I would partake of their services more often. But when the pediatrician's office is littered with advertisments for medications it seems relative to putting Budweiser ads in an Alcoholics Anonymous meeting room. I don't like my doctor selling himself to pharmecutical companies. Doen's invoke a lot of feelings of trust, you know?
 
OMG!!! Ness if you weren't already attached I'd be down on one knee proposing right now! I've long regarded doctors as chemical prostitutes and wouldn't let them and their needles near any kid of mine while breath remained in my body. (Not that I have any kids yet.)

What happened was, I got into a blazing row with this person who claimed to be a doctor on an EZ Boards forum called The Jedi Academy, which was for talking about everything from spirituality to nutrition and martial arts. I and another member expressed our preference for not wanting to go anywhere near artificial vitamin supplements, and he started screaming about how he's like to slap some sense into a garbage talking mouths. Of course this turd didn't know I was partial to writing long and in-depth essays about very obscure things so I told him he was a grade-A cock (in slightly more polite terms) and waited for him to take the bait. He told me I hadn't presented any proof for my accusations and mistrust and I hit him with an eight and a half thousand word post about the lack of reputability in the modern medical profession. This did stray from the strict discussion on vitamin supplements, but the wanker deserved it. I finished by telling him he had all the social graces of a pubic louse. Strangely enough, he didn't reply any more. Odd that. Here's the essay in full...
 
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This is an except from a thread I participated in at the Jedi Academy forum. If you want to see the whole thread (I use the screen name of Sle-Ja Kavsali) then click on this link......

http://pub88.ezboard.com/fjediacade...opicID=61.topic

It started out as a conversation about vitamin supplements, but following one member's arrogance about his profession's monopoly on world health, I decided to do a little detailed researching and did an eight and a half thousand word post to refute his POV. The passage below is my main post, which was split into three at the JA, because of server restrictions. Can post it all in one here though.
For those of you familiar with the length of some of my conspiracy posts, you know what to expect. Brace yerself! It's all about the medical profession and the profiteering they've made from human misery and downright lying to patients and their families.

I’m going to have to post this in a series of posting segments. In the past when I’ve tried to make a post on the Academy that’s been huge, the forum seems to malfunction for some reason. Maybe there’s a maximum post size? Anyway, I think it’s going to take quite a few posts, because this topic is HUUUUUUGGGGGGEEEEE!!! A lot of what I’m about to write deviates strictly from the vitamin debate, but as the trustworthiness of pharmaceutical companies has come into question, I think I should give a wider background on some of the things that are involved. With this in mind I’ll be talking about AIDS, vaccination and pharmaceutical products.


Okay, after the last post I made here there will probably be a few people who were wondering if I wasn’t just trying to get a reaction by spouting any old cobblers. Sadly for the medical profession, no I wasn’t. To the best of my knowledge (and there will be direct evidence of this to follow in this series of posts) all of the “facts” I posted above were true.

Now it may sound like utter madness to come out with a statement like “HIV is not the cause of AIDS” when it has been accepted in western society for decades that it does, but look at it from this angle first. In the Middle Ages if you had suggested that the world was round, the first reaction from people would have been along the lines of “Don’t so bloody stupid, how can it be round? If the world was round all the people on the bottom would fall off!” The very people who would have said that would have been church leaders, scholars and other leading citizens who were highly regarded for their education and mental acumen. To have argued against people like that would have been to open oneself to ridicule of the highest order. Argue with the best scholars in the church? Don’t be an idiot man! Of course… when you consider certain Newtonian principles and the overall law of gravity, the idea of a round world seems to be a lot less ridiculous. But do it at the time I mentioned, and your ridicule would not only have been hooted all across town, but would have been quickly followed by being burned at the stake. To understand why the accepted “norm” was not only untrue, but also easily proved to be so, you have to look at some background evidence. Evidence that is very rarely searched for, because people have a nasty habit of simply accepting what they’re told without questioning it. People seem to think that because we live in the 21st century that we’re less naïve than people who lived in the Middle Ages. Sadly, we ain’t. Not even close; we’re just as bad now as we’ve ever been.

Now, to the facts……………

As I said above, Acquired Immuno-Deficiency Syndrome is not a new disease, although the name might be. AIDS is a new name given to our modern conception of it by the Centres for Disease Control. It is applied to a collection of 29 familiar illnesses and conditions ranging from yeast infection, herpes, diarrhoea, some types of pneumonia, certain strains of cancer, salmonella and tuberculosis. However these illnesses are only called AIDS when they occur within the body of a person who also has certain active disease fighting proteins or “antibodies” that are thought to be associated with Human Immuno-deficiency Virus. A person is officially diagnosed as suffering from AIDS if they have at least one (or possibly more) of the 29 official AIDS associated conditions and if they also test positive for the antibodies that are erroneously associated with HIV. To put it bluntly, someone who dies of pneumonia while testing positive for the HIV virus, is said to have died of AIDS (which is not a disease at all, but a condition) while anyone else who dies of pneumonia is said to have died of pneumonia. None of the 29 illnesses linked to AIDS are new or even especially notable. NONE of them appear exclusively in the bodies of people diagnosed as suffering from AIDS or HIV and all have documented treatments (and causes) that have bugger all to do with HIV. Prior to the CDC’s creating of the AIDS “category” these diseases were not believed to have a common cause or otherwise be associated with each other.

When most people think of AIDS (those with no experience of it anyway) they think of great suffering and obvious symptoms. However on January the first, 1993, the CDC threw more of a definition out of its idea of just exactly what AIDS was. They now expanded the criteria to “anyone with a T cell count of 200 or less who had no other illness or symptoms”. (A T cell is defined as one of the two main classes of lymphocytes. The are a chief player in the organisation of the body’s natural immune system. A lymphocyte is a type of white blood cell, responsible for the manufacture of proteins called antibodies. These proteins work to destroy alien antigens in the body. Bacteria, virus and other microorganisms commonly carry a lot of these antigens and are so often targeted by antibodies. Antibodies are also formed in response to vaccines.)

The new definition of what constitutes and AIDS sufferer caused the logged amount of AIDS cases in the USA to nearly double overnight. Since 1993 more than half of all AIDS cases diagnosed each year, have been from people who show absolutely no signs of clinical disease, or any other detrimental symptoms. It is only through repeated expansions of what constitutes AIDS that the number of cases each year has continued to grow. The definition of AIDS has expanded THREE times since 1981. Although each expansion dramatically increased the official numbers of AIDS sufferers, it levelled off in all risk categories by the middle of 1992 and has been steadily declining ever since the middle of 1993.

Had the CDC continued to use the initial 3 definition of the disease, the figures for new cases in 1997 would have shown a total of just over 10,000; rendering AIDS a rather insignificant health hazard on a national scale. When the 1993 definition was applied it added an additional 21,000 cases of AIDS to that year’s statistics. What makes it seem even more suspicious is that about 20,000 of these cases were of people who were showing no signs or symptoms of clinical illness.

The CDC stopped providing information about what does or does not constitute an AIDS victim in 1998. This rather Big Brother tactic means that the general public no longer have any way of knowing how many people are diagnosed each year without actually suffering from any signs of illness.

But it gets better. Did you know that you could receive an AIDS diagnosis without ever having a test for HIV? In the field it is referred to as a “presumptive diagnosis”. According the CDC more than 62,000 cases of AIDS in the US have been diagnosed without any HIV test. This is rather strange and decidedly illogical when you consider that the only difference between dying of AIDS or pneumonia is an HIV test, yet an HIV test is not required for a diagnosis of AIDS. Now do you see why I’m comparing believing utterly what we are told today, with people doing it in the middle ages? Just because we are living in modern times, it does not make our trusted professionals (in any field) any more infallible than they were in the days when knights rode around in platemail. Given Crossbin’s reaction earlier in this thread, he evidently believes the opposite. “It’s all a wonderful advance of science and it’s only beneficial for mankind”. (Referring to genetic modification of food and pharmaceutical vitamin supplements.) Hrmmm. Given what I’ve just said and the rest of what I’m about to say I’d definitely be an advocate of using your own judgement rather than believing what people say, just because they were capable of verbatim regurgitation at school and have letters after their name.


Now since AIDS is not a disease but a condition and there is no such thing as a universally accepted definition; the standard of what is and what is not AIDS varies wildly from country to country. In Canada the Laboratory Centre for Disease Control does not agree with the American T cell count criteria for diagnosis of AIDS. If all people in America diagnosed as having AIDS had been tested in Canada 182,200 of them would not officially have the disease. That is over a quarter of people who have ever been diagnosed with the disease in the USA’s history! But it gets EVEN BETTER!!!

The World Health Organisation has two very different definitions for AIDS in Africa, neither of which bear any comparison to the American or Canadian criteria. The diagnosis most commonly employed in Africa more often than not has no HIV test. All that is required is that the patients have one of three major clinical symptoms. These are weight loss, fever with or without a cough and any other “minor sign” such as Generalised itching or swollen glands. And this is supposed to be clinical and scientific??? Yowza! Keep taking those herbal remedies folks.

The CDC has a history of illogical health scares and public manipulation; it’s been going on since before the categorisation of AIDS. In 1976 five soldiers stationed at a base in New Jersey went down with the flu. Only a problem to the platoon commander you’d have though; he’d have to draft some guys off standby and make them work a few days off. Not so, because the CDC promptly declared an imminent influenza epidemic. They released statements through the media that predicted the possible loss of half a million American lives to the illness within a year. Congress leapt into action by diverting millions of taxpayers dollars into an emergency vaccination program (not surprising since people like George Bush have significant stocks in companies like Eli Lily who manufacture this crap) and it didn’t even stop there. President Ford went on the air and made public appeals to American citizens to have shots for swine flu! And there was me thinking it was only the poor bastards who were on the receiving end of Gulf War Syndrome who got that! Stop the presses, pharmaceutical owners exploit public hysteria for their own ends! Palace prepares statement! Oh never mind, some very nice doctors with letters after their names assure us that it’s all okay and the rumours are totally unfounded. No health risks to the public at all. Phew, what a relief!!!
Someone get me a bucket please, I think I’m going to vomit!
I guess it shouldn’t really surprise anyone then that no flu epidemic appeared out of thin air and there was definitely no bloody pig virus lurking around. However 600 poor people were left paralysed from their injections and nearly 100 people were killed by it.
Only the next year and the CDC were inducing public hysteria yet again. This time it was the incipient invasion of Legionnaire’s Disease. Millions of tax dollars, thousands of scientific man-hours and many ordinary citizens having blood pressure through stress later and a grand total of less than 30 people had died from it. The truth of the matter is that between 20 and 30 per cent of Americans could test positive for Legionella bacteria, which is a very common microbe found in water systems throughout the country. The CDC’s obsession of hysteria inducement (which always turns out to be good for the profits of big drugs companies) flies right in the face of the FACT that all infectious diseases account for less than 1% of the deaths of modern day Americans.
So to recap before we go further…..
AIDS is not an illness or a disease. It’s a category.
There are 29 familiar conditions in this category, some are mentioned above.
NONE of these conditions are even remotely new.
None of these conditions appear exclusively in people who are HIV+, whereas ALL of them appear in people who are HIV-.
Every single AIDS condition has a documented cause and treatment (if not cure) that are completely unrelated to HIV.

Okay, remember me saying that HIV wasn’t the cause of AIDS? Sounds utterly stupid right? Everyone knows that AIDS is caused by HIV, it’s what we’ve always been told, isn’t it? Well sit back and prepare to read, because your view of what medical professionals tell you is good for you, will have altered a tadge by the end of this section.
There is no single shred of proof that HIV is the cause of AIDS. In fact, if you take all of the microbiological and epidemiological evidence together; it conclusively proves that HIV cannot ever cause AIDS or indeed, any other illness.
The widespread belief in AIDS being caused by a virus called HIV was never a proven fact, but a belief spontaneously caused by a theory put forward at a press conference in 1984 by Dr. Robert Gallo. (A research scientist who was working for the National Institutes of Health.)

HIV is officially classified as a retrovirus; a type of virus studied for over 20 meticulous years in various federally sponsored health programs. (These were centred around the search for a possible cancer virus.)
In the 60’s and 70’s the idea that cancer was caused by a contagious virus was quite a popular one. Since retroviruses have no capabilities for killing cells and cancer’s distinguishing feature is its uncontrolled and unstable cellular reproduction; this type of microorganism was considered a suitable candidate in the search for the cause. The crux of the matter is that healthy people live in perfect harmony with any number of retroviruses in their body at any one time. Some of these are contagious; passed from person to person and some are endogenous, which is to say that they’re produced from within our own DNA. To my knowledge NOT ONE SIGNLE retrovirus has ever been proven to cause disease in humans.

During the 80’s when people like Gallo were starting to focus more and more on AIDS, the CDC were keen to sponsor them. The same bands of government scientists who’d been searching high and low for a cancer-causing virus were now directing their attention towards finding a virus that caused AIDS.
Then came AIDS D-Day. On the 23rd of April 1984, Gallo called an international press conference to serve as a forum for himself and the US Department of Health and Human Services. At this conference he announced that he’d discovered a new retrovirus which was labelled as “the probable cause of AIDS”. He presented no evidence to back up this baseless assumption. None whatsoever. However the US HHS got on the horn and started shouting about “another miracle of modern American medicine… the triumph of science over a dreaded disease.” Huh? A baseless guess is a triumph for modern medicine? Does that mean getting rid of the wart on my arse is “a red letter day for scientific medicine”? I’d guess it wouldn’t, but then my endorsing certain pharmaceuticals as being beneficial for people wouldn’t make them a seller. A doctor’s would. That’s something you very rarely hear about. When a doctor suddenly announces that he’s come across a new “miracle drug” that could be the wonder cure, so long anticipated, for cancer, AIDS, genital herpes etc, he very rarely follows it with “and the company who manufactures and sells this drug have very kindly just sent me and my family on a month long holiday to the Caribbean.” I can’t imagine why that should be…….

Late on the same day as his press conference, Dr. Gallo filed a patent application for the antibody test now known as the “AIDS test”. By the time the following morning’s presses had run, the New York Times had turned Gallo’s vague theory into a scientific certainty. The front pages were trumpeting the news about “the virus that causes AIDS” and without a heartbeat’s pause, all other funding into finding other possible causes for AIDS suddenly ceased. Of course I would hate to suggest that newspaper owners like Tony O’Reilly, Conrad Black and Rupert Murdoch et al being members of the same secret groups as owners of big multi-national drug companies would have anything to do with this endorsement. Perish the thought…………..

By announcing an unproven hypothesis to the papers without any substantive proof, Dr. Gallo committed a huge violation of the scientific process. Researchers like him should first publish evidence for a hypothesis in a medical or at the very least, scientific journal. They should also document the research and/or experiments that were utilised to construct it. Experts then examine and extensively debate the hypothesis and do their best to create an exact duplication or the original experiments. By doing this, they can confirm or refute the original conclusions of the researcher. ANY new theory must stand up to this examination before it can be considered a reasonable conclusion. In the case of the HIV virus, Dr. Gallo put forward an unconfirmed hypothesis to the waiting world and the media reported his idea as if it was established fact. This was the incitement for federal officials to launch a series of brand new public health policies based on something that is provably a fantasy. Now if we believed in the general uprightness of our system of government, with maybe just a few people within it being corrupt, there should somewhere have been a “checks and balances” program that would have put a stop to it. That there wasn’t suggests co-operation between the media, the medical profession, the federal government and the pharmaceutical companies. By definition therefore, you have a conspiracy. A conspiracy that has led to countless, needless deaths and fat wallets for people like George Bush and other stockholders of companies like Glaxo-Welcome and Eli Lily. But of course to even use the word “conspiracy” is to have to suffer patronising people who think they’re superior, rolling their eyes and twirling their fingers at their temples. Never mind the cold, hard facts that blast their conditioned view of reality to atoms and tears their opinion to shreds. If you use the C word, then you just aren’t credible.

The experiment results that Dr. Gallo used to synthesise his AIDS theory were published a few days after the press conference. But the problem with it was that it didn’t support his hypothesis a single little bit. His paper showed very clearly that he hadn’t found the HIV virus in more than roughly half of the patients who had taken part in his AIDS study. While he was able to detect antibodies in most, they alone are NOT a certain indication of current infection. What they are a 100% indication of though, is IMMUNITY from infection. The test that allegedly shows someone is dying, actually shows they are healthy! They are then subjected to poison like AZT for about ten years and subsequently die. Oh my, what a %*&$ing surprise! AZT used to be a chemotherapy drug for cancer but was forcibly removed from the market because it was so toxic that it was harming patients. A few years later it comes back off the shelf as AZT and is hailed as a wonder drug for the treatment of AIDS. AIDS sufferers suffer from a low count of T-cells in their blood and AZT caused an immediate boost in T-cells. No wonder! It is so damn poisonous that the body only has to sniff it to dump every white blood cell into the bloodstream it can in reaction to the toxins. In short term test results this looks like a miracle treatment, but what it actually does is cause the patient’s immune system to burn itself out. Treatment with a drug like AZT (it’s not the only “wonder drug” that is lethally poisonous) actually ends the patient’s life years before any illness would do. And these are the pharm companies that we trust with providing us with vitamin supplements? Excuse me Crossbin, but if we need extra vitamins from my diet, you can perhaps understand why we’d go for something herbal instead?
Gallo’s paper also miserably failed to provide any explanation to how a retrovirus could cause AIDS. He suggested that HIV caused AIDS by destroying T-cells, but more than 7 decades of extensive medical research has shown that retroviruses are unable to kill cells. Gallo offered no shred of proof that HIV differed from any other harmless retrovirus. On the contrary, his and ALL other HIV research conclusively indicates that HIV-like every other retrovirus known to man is NOT, I repeat-NOT cytotoxic.
In conclusion of this section, here are some more facts…
1/ HIV is a retrovirus. Retroviruses are not cytotoxic, they cannot kill cells.
2/ HIV shares the same structure as all other retroviruses known to man. Hundreds of these microscopic dudes live harmlessly within our bodies from while we are still inside the womb, till the day we die.
3/ Even if by some genetic miracle, HIV could kill T-cells, it actually only infects about one in every thousand of the ones in our bodies. Killing one in every thousand T-cells is nowhere near enough to deplete our immune systems enough to cause AIDS.
4/ Nearly all perfectly healthy people have been infected with cell destroying viruses, like those that cause herpes and mononucleosis. These viruses infect millions of T-cells in each person (up to half of all the immune cells in the person at any one time) without causing depletion of immunity and DEFINITELY without causing AIDS.

Since 1984 there have been more than a hundred thousand papers published on HIV. None of them has been able to come even close to proving that HIV is the cause of AIDS. Most support the opposite hypothesis; that it definitely can’t. Although Dr. Gallo claimed otherwise, 20 years of tumour research proved that retroviruses were not cytotoxic.
To show just how ridiculous the official line on HIV/AIDS is, let’s compare HIV to Varicella Zoster Virus; which is the virus that causes chicken pox. The following table comes from the book What If Everything You Knew About AIDS Was Wrong.


Vzv = Chicken Pox HIV = AIDS

Same symptoms in all cases. Different symptoms depending on risk group

Natural VZV antibodies in the Natural HIV antibodies in the absence of
Absence of virus, indicate life-long virus, said to indicate or predict AIDS.
Immunity.

VZV (actual virus) is readily HIV (actual virus) is rarely found in
Found in all cases of chicken pox. All cases of AIDS.

VZV is readily found in high HIV is rarely found and only in low
Concentrations in affected concentrations in T-cells of ill patients.
Tissue of ill patients.

VZV replication kills cells. HIV replication does not kill cells.

Most severe symptoms appear AIDS symptoms said to occur years
Days or weeks after infection after infection and only after antibody
And before antibody immunity. (VZV+) immunity. (HIV+)


There you have it in black and white. Clear evidence that HIV does not, can not, never did and never will cause AIDS. But hell we’re just ordinary Joes on the street; how come these super-intelligent doctors with the finest educations in the world have never cottoned on to this and questioned it. Well they have in a few cases, but I seriously doubt if their opinions would ever be widely circulated. Guylaine Lanctot from Canada is one such person. A woman who decided to speak out against the indoctrinated crap the medical profession is steeped in (that it tells us is all for our own good, so we must NEVER question it!!!) and decided to give an alternate spin on things. The result? She loses her job, her credibility and was ostracised by her profession. She is one of the bravest doctors on the face of the planet and unlike some who just swallow whatever they’re taught at medical school because they find the idea of being a highly paid doctor glamorous, a wonderful servant to mankind. The sort of people who castigated her are the same people who assure us that fluoride in tap water is harmless and good, that pharmaceutical vitamins are better than herbal alternatives, that science offers more medical opportunities than alternative or holistic methods (that have existed for millennia before “science” hi-jacked medicine), that inoculation programs cause no harm to our children’s bodies and that genetic modification really is a wonderful thing that will make mankind’s lives much more fruitful. One word. Bull****!!!

Did you know that two people who live within ten miles of each other who have exactly the same conditions in their bodies for AIDS diagnosis, can be diagnosed differently? It’s true and it goes even deeper than that. Did you know for instance that there is no such thing as a test for diagnosing the condition known as AIDS? The tests popularly referred to and marketed as “AIDS tests” do NOT identify or diagnose AIDS and are utterly unable to detect the presence of the HIV virus. The ELISA and Western Blot tests which are commonly used to diagnose HIV infection, only detect the interaction between certain proteins and antibodies THOUGHT to be connected to HIV. They DO NOT detect the HIV virus itself. And contrary to the popular belief instigated by the misguided medical profession, newer tests called “viral load “ tests do not measure actual levels of virus in the blood.
All HIV antibody tests are highly questionable and decidedly inaccurate. One reason for their utter uselessness is that a large amount of different viruses, bacteria and other antigens can cause the immune system to produce antibodies that also react with HIV. When these antibodies produced in response to these other unrelated infections react with the HIV proteins, a positive result would be indicated on the test sheet. Many antibodies found in normal, healthy people whose life spans would not be curtailed and will never have AIDS would produce an HIV+ result on the tests administered in hospitals. Since the antibody production in a body can continue for years and years-even after the virus has been eradicated (sometimes for the entire lifetime of the person concerned) people who have never and will never have the virus can consistently record false HIV+ positive results on “AIDS tests”.

So should you bet your life on an HIV tests and let a positive one persuade you to imbibe the expensive, moneymaking, poison like AZT into your body? Well here’s a few quotes from medical publications to make you think twice about it. (Or three times.)

“The only way to distinguish between real reactions and cross-reactions is to use HIV isolation. All claims of HIV isolation are based on a set of phenomena detected in tissue culture, none of which are isolation and none of which even specific for retroviruses… We don’t know how many positive tests occur in the absence of HIV infection. There is no specificity of the HIV antibody tests for HIV infection.” Bio/Technology Journal 11:696-707 1993

“The HIV antibody tests do not detect a virus. They test for any antibodies that react with an assortment of proteins experts claim to be specific to HIV. (My note- But are in fact not even remotely specific to it!) The fact that it is an antibody, even if repeated and found positive a thousand times, does not prove the presence of viral infection.”
Val Turner M.D. Continuum Magazine, Vol 3 #5, 1996

“HIV tests are notoriously unreliable in Africa. A 1994 study published in the Journal Of Infectious Diseases concluded that HIV tests were useless in central Africa, where the microbes responsible for tuberculosis, malaria and leprosy were so prevalent that they registered OVER 70% false positive.” Sacramento Bee, 30th October, 1994.

While we’re on the subject of things that can cause HIV tests to wrongly indicate infection, lets list a few of these unrelated factors.


Acute viral infections, DNA viral infections.
Administration of human immunoglobulin preparations pooled before 1985.
Alcoholic hepatitis/alcoholic liver disease.
Alpha interferon therapy in hemodialysis patients.
Blood Transfusions.
Epstein-Barr virus.
Flu.
Flu vaccination.
Globulins produced polyclonal gammopathies. (In AIDS risk groups.)
Hepatitis.
Hepatitis B vaccination.
Hyperbilirubinemia.
Leprosy.
Organ transplantation.
Malaria.
Primary biliary cirrhosis.
Proteins on the filter paper.
Receptive anal sex.
Renal failiure.
Tuberculosis,
T-cell leukocyte antigen antibodies.
Upper respiratory tract infection.
Visceral leishmaniasis.

And that’s just SOME of the different things that can register a false positive result! Millions of people are dying from things like cancer and AIDS every year who could be returned to optimum health if only they were allowed to choose from the full range of remedies available, rather than just the ones that make the most money for the big multi-nationals. IT has been known for people to be cured in 15 minutes of ailments for which their "conventional" doctors either recommended expensive and debilitating surgery, or no hope at all. There was one woman mentioned in one of my source books who was so ill with lung cancer that she had to be driven to the treatment centre because she didn’t have the strength to drive herself. After one session she was driving herself. Eventually as her treatments continued and her condition improved, she went back to the all-knowing doctors who had told her there was nothing they could do, limited as they were by their blind indoctrination into the medical profession and they told her that she showed no signs whatsoever of the disease. Stunning eh? I(f any of you have been affected by the disease of cancer, or lost a loved one; think of the needless grief that was caused by a profession that is controlled by money and vested interests. The sad thing is that most doctors who enter the field with aspirations of human service have no idea about this. They then either go through their whole career without realising it because they haven’t got a shred of original thought in their heads, or they realise too late when their careers, salaries and pensions depend on their following the party line and turning their back on far more effective and invasive methods of treatment.

Sadly medicine isn’t the only field in the world that is afflicted like this. Crossbin mentioned earlier the wonder of genetic engineering and I presume he would also be a fan of the chemicals that are put into our food and drink as well. Well whether he is or he isn’t, here’s a few facts about these things. This begins to detract from the purely medicinal discussion and digresses slightly into the conspiracy theory that was mooted in the religion threads. The crossover is relevant though.
Aspartame is a perfect example. IT is stuffed into thousand of different foods and almost every single soft drink. Who drinks the most soft drinks? Children, that’s who. Aspartame is an artificial sweetener, supposedly used to counteract the negative effects of sugar. IT is marketed under the alternative names of NutraSweet, Equal and Spoonful. It’s roughly 200 times sweeter than sugar. IT was introduced in 1981 and has since been responsible for about 75% of the complaints reported to the Adverse Reaction Monitoring system, of the FDA. These complaints have included it causing headaches, dizziness, attention difficulties, memory loss, slurred speech and vision problems. These are now colloquially known as “Aspartame Disease”. This is similar to the effects of preservative known as Monosodium Glutamate being called Glutamate Syndrome. John W. Olney MD of the Washington University believes there may be a link between aspartame and brain tumours. IN an article he successfully published in the Journal of Neuropathology and Experimental Neurology he says that animal studies reveal high levels of brain tumours in aspartame fed rats. He had that it has mutagenic properties according to studies and a sharp rise in malignant cerebral tumours coincides with the increased introduction of aspartame. You think that’s bad? Then read the US Navy and Air Force’s published safety warning about it.

“Several researchers have found aspartame can increase the frequency of seizures, or lower the stimulation necessary to induce them. This means a pilot who drinks diet sodas is more susceptible to flicker vertigo, or to flicker-induced epileptic activity. It also means that all pilots are potential victims of sudden memory loss, dizziness during instrument flight, and gradual loss of vision.”

Are you still sure that chemical and pharm companies have our best interests at heart? No? Okay let’s move on to the “conspiracy theorists” all time favourites. Fluoride. *Cue rolling eyes and multiple fingers twirling at temples*

Fluoride is a major intellect suppressant that is added to supplies of drinking water and toothpaste. Sodium fluoride is a common ingredient in rat poison and cockroach poison. It’s also used in anaesthetics (as our genial companion Master Crossbin will surely confirm), hypnotics, psychiatric drugs and military nerve gas. It’s also a key component of Sarin gas and Prozac. You gotta love these drug companies have you not? Independent scientific study has revealed that it makes the subject “stupid, docile and subservient”. Must be a key ingredient in medical school food then. And this is all besides the effects of damaging bone structure and shortening life-span yanno. Interesting fact: the first use of fluoridated drinking water was in Nazi concentration camps in World War Two, where it was generated by I.G. Farben. Now do you seriously believe that this was because Hitler was concerned about his Jewish guests having bad teeth? Oh wasn’t he kind? And there was me thinking the Nazis ripped out teeth to get at the gold ones; turns out they really cared about the Jewish prisoners after all.
A chap called Charles Perkins said that oft repeated doses of fluoride in drinking water will in time reduce an individual’s power to resist domination, by slowly poisoning or “narcotising” a certain part of the brain, thus making him submissive to the will of those who wished to govern him. His phrase for it was “a convenient light lobotomy”.
But the biggest scam about this filth is that fluoride is actually a waste product of the aluminium industry. The utter scam of introducing into the drinking water supply (in the USA at any rate) was introduced by a family called the Mellons, who controls the aluminium cartel known as ALCOA. IT was costing the industry a fortune every year to get rid of the waste fluoride, so they came up with the idea of putting it into the water supplies and claiming the bullshining that it was good for children’s teeth. These robber barons now sell their waste product for inclusion in drinking water and toothpaste at a 20,000% mark up!!! They are making dosh out of making your children stupid and docile! Doesn’t that make you just the tiniest bit miffed?
There is a guy who is an MP (the British equivalent of a Congressman) on the Isle of Wight in Britain, called Peter Brand. He is a qualified doctor and the Liberal Party’s medical spokesman. He is pressing for fluoride to be added to the island’s drinking water supply because “it is good for children’s teeth”. People think because he is a certified medical professional that he must know what he’s talking about. In fact he doesn’t know his backside form his mouth (he certainly talks out of the wrong one) quite like another medical professional who I hope is reading this right now. People like this provide a perfect example of how trusted “professionals” can be so deeply uninformed.
Dr. Hardy Limeback BSc, PhD in Biochemistry, head of the Department of Preventative Dentistry for the University of Toronto and also president of the Canadian Association for Dental Research, was once Canada’s leading proponent on fluoride in drinking water. But then he did a 180 and announced it publicly. He said, and I quote….”Children under three should never use fluoridated toothpaste or drink fluoridated tap water. And baby formula should never be made up using fluoridated tap water. Never!” A study at the Uni of Toronto revealed that people who live in fluoridated water areas have double the fluoride in their hipbones than people in non-fluoridated areas. They also discovered that fluoride was “changing the basic architecture in human bones”. This was mainly through something called skeletal fluorosis; caused by the accumulation of fluoride in the bones that makes them weak and brittle. The same goes for teeth in a similar dental condition. Dr. Limeback revealed that Canada spent more on treating fluoride damaged teeth, than in treating cavities. But hang on a mucking finute… at least putting this poison in the water is preventing cavities, yeah? Erm… nope. Sorry, but it isn’t. As Limeback could tell you, the water of Toronto has be fluoridated for nearly 4 decades, whereas Vancouver’s hasn’t. Surprise surprise!!!! Vancouver has a lower cavity rate than Toronto!!!! Taran-tara!!! There goes the case! There goes the official line that the trusted medical profession spins you about fluoride being healthy and good for teeth and bones. It is total garbage and always has been. And this doesn’t just apply to Canada. All across the civilised world, the rates for cavities are lower in areas that are fluoride free. Still trust these companies?
Those misguided planks who continue to promote fluoride use are working with data that is at least 50 years old. Improvements in dental health are more due to improved standard of living, less refined sugar in diets, regular brushing, flossing and regular check-ups. Bugger all to do with fluoridated water. And modern dentists have next to no training in toxicity, so they have no idea about the problems that fluoride causes.

Here we go now; Crossbin will be burning effigies of me in the street for this. Let’s talk about vaccinations.
What vaccination essentially are, is a very effective way of pumping mind-suppressing drugs and immune system destroying chemicals and cultures into the billions of human beings, while they are under the mis-guided impression that you are really trying to help them. Entire worldwide generations of children are forcibly contaminated in this way every year, while official but rarely circulated figures show the claims for the beneficial effects of vaccinations are complete and total tripe. A perfect book for getting some background and additional sources on this subject is The Medical Mafia by Dr. Guylaine Lanctot. Her expose of vaccination reveals that the practice severely weakens the immune systems of children and opens them to all sorts of additional infections that their immune systems would otherwise repel or destroy. A colleague of mine laughed on hearing this from me. He said he could remember times when children used to regularly die from diseases which vaccination has eradicated. True the death rates used to be much higher for things like measles, but utterly wrong that vaccination caused their decline. Study after study has shown conclusively that the diseases the vaccines were supposed to be destroying were on the decline BEFORE the vaccination programs were introduced! This is demonstrated in another book, Health: The Only Immunity, by Ian Sinclair, a researcher form Australia. He reveals the following interesting points.
1/ Graphical and statistical evidence showing more than 90% of the decline in death rates from infectious disease occurred before vaccination commenced. All medical journals acknowledged this decline was caused by improved sanitation, hygiene, better nutrition, and living standards. In other words, vaccination was not responsible for wiping out infectious disease as medical authorities erroneously claim.
2/ A tuberculosis trial in India involving more than 260,000 Indians resulted in more cases of TB among the vaccinated than the unvaccinated. But this vaccine is still being given to Australian children and others around the world. (Nice to know they’ve got your best interests at heart isn’t it?)
3/ The cost of the whooping cough vaccine leapt from 11 cents in 1982 to $11.40 in 1987 because of the $8 a shot the company was putting aside to pay compensation and legal costs because of the law-suits bought by families and friends of the dead and brain-damaged victims of the vaccine.
4/ Millions of children in the “Third World” countries are still dying from measles, tuberculosis, diphtheria, tetanus, polio etc, despite being FULLY VACCINATED!
Quite clearly, despite what we are told by people we’ve been conditioned to trust, the short and long term effects on vaccination on our health is appalling.

And before I sign off form these decidedly mammoth posts for the time being, let’s talk about a drug called Ritalin.
This is another mind-altering substance that is chiefly targeted at children. It can seriously affect children’s behaviour and has been linked to many acts of violence in them. A 1995 report by the DEA warned that Ritalin “shares many of the pharmacological effects of… cocaine.” In fact the US government classifies Ritalin in the same category as cocaine and heroin.
A chap called Dennis Clarke who is the chairman of the Executive Advisory Board of the Citizens Commission On Human Rights International has stated “The use of Ritalin on children has no other purpose than to slow them down, shut them up and make it more difficult to move them around.”
He also says that is it an easy cop-out for the parents and teachers to give them a drug. He further highlights that the finding of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Third Revised Edition, published by none other than the American Psychiatric Association. He shows that this supports his claims of the dangers of using Ritalin on Children. He has shown that all information critical of Ritalin and its juvenile use was removed in the more recent edition and this confirms, he claims, that the industry is involved in a massive cover-up. I have to concur. The industry’s explanation of the removal was that it was “an error”. Too coincidental I’m afraid. It’s a stitch-up.
Clarke also points out that Children who are put on Ritalin in school are often switched to something like Prozac and other related drugs as they get older. Unfortunately for the kids who are force-fed this bilge by their brain-dead parents and teachers, the effects continue long after the prescription ceases. This is corroborated by Dr. Ann Blake Tracy, Director of the International Coalition for Drug Awareness. She goes even further by pointing out that adults who use these drugs are far more likely to commit violent crimes. She comes from Utah, home of the Mormon Church, where the use of Ritalin and Prozac is three times higher than the rest of the country per head of the population. It’s also worth noting that Utah’s rates of violent crimes have increased by a similar amount. Dennis Clarke says that the high number of incidents that involve violent children and the upsurge of juvenile suicide is attributed to the ever-growing number of children who are given drugs to control their behaviour. He gave as an example; a youngster involved in the Jonesboro killings in Arkansas.

“We do know for example, that the 13-year old in Jonesboro was being treated. Apparently they were saying he had been sexually abused as a child. They were saying he was now a sexual abuser. He had a hyperactivity label put on him as well - or “attention deficit disorder.” So we had several different things working with him. There was no chance under the Sun, Moon, or stars that this kid was not on drugs.”

Clarke says that whenever a pharm-associated violent event happens, the “crash teams” go to work, to make sure the details do not become public. Teams of psychiatrists are sent to the areas to make sure the medical records of those concerned are buried securely. Doctors are convinced to keep schtum (probably with the threat of their career being wrecked) and victims and their families are bought off to stop the case going to court. IN his word…
“It’s all being covered up, and it’s deliberate. There are billions and billions of dollars at stake here.”
One of the editors of WorldNEtDaily.com, David Bresnahan, was told by one exceptionally idiotic schoolteacher in Utah that she routinely recommends Ritalin for children in her class. She mentioned the figure of 11 out of 29 kids in her 1st grade class as being on the drug on a daily basis. He predicts the future will see more and more violent acts committed by children unless the connection between Ritalin and violent behaviour is openly acknowledged. Clarke suggests that the public, health officials and parents don’t even begin to grasp the pandemic that is weeping across America. And you don’t even have to take these “rebels” word for it! Check out the statement made by the CIBA Pharmaceutical Company in a product info release: “Warning! Sufficient data on the safety and efficacy of long-term use of Ritalin in children are not yet available.”

Incredible isn’t it? They are handing out Ritalin like candy to schoolchildren and the @#%$ company who produces it admits they have no idea of the long-term affects! Do these teachers who recommend this rubbish actually have brains of their own? Do they actually give a damn, or are they just as brain dead as all the rest? Sadly, the latter seems to be the case.

The above warning was only put out to stave off the inevitable lawsuits that will occur when the long and short term affects can no longer be denied. Herbert Okun, a member of the International Drug Control Board for the UN, told a news conference that his board is very concerned that Ritalin (methylphenidate to give it its medical name) is massively over-prescribed in the USA. He says…wait for it… that there are THREE HUNDRED AND THIRTY MILLION DOSES OF RITALIN TAKEN EACH DAY IN THE USA, COMPARED WITH A MERE SIXTY FIVE MILLION FOR THE REST OF THE WORLD PUT TOGETHER!!!

Our children are being systematically doped and drugged into insensibility and parents and teachers are standing by and watching it happen. In fact, the often encourage it. The main children targeted are those who show active minds and those who act different to the norm. Get em while they’re young, before they can damage the status quo! Ugh. This of course leads us naturally onto……..

Prozac. A drug produced by the George Bush owned company of Eli Lilly. It has a history that reveals a staggering amount of corruption and brown enveloping.
In 1984 David Dunner of the Uni of Washington was given more than $1.4 million from EL for research and seminar purposes. Some of this research was aimed at testing 100 people for Prozac in a clinical trial. Simultaneously he was a member of the FDA’s Psychopharmacologic Drugs Advisory Committee. This was a body that carried the responsibility for reviewing new drug applications to the FDA. He was asked if he had any conflict of interest when he started reviewing Prozac for EL; he reply was, “No pending commitments at this time.” The FDA accepted this (of course) despite that fact that Dunner had already given five seminars sponsored by EL before this date. Lies and cover-ups. Typical.
These seminars were based on “depressive disorders” which was intended to be the target audience for Prozac. David Dunner also failed to mention that he was booked already to do a further two seminars for EL once Prozac had been approved. According to the public recording, Lilly’s test on Prozac showed it was nearly a useless placebo and a statistician from the FDA suggested the results be “evaluated differently” to show a more favourable result. This of course happened quickly and smoothly, paving the way for the drug to blot the minds of millions. An FDA investigation showed that EL had utterly failed to report psychotic episodes that occurred during testing, but there was no reprimand for them. I wonder why? By 1987 when it was two months before the FDA were due to approve Prozac, 27 people had died in clinical trials. 15 were suicides of which 6 were by overdose, four by gunshot and two by drowning. Prozac was DIRECTLY connected to all of them. Twelve other people died in the trials, but the cause could not be directly attributed to Prozac. Paul Leber (and FDA employee) said in 1991 that he’d noted “the large number of reports of all kinds on Prozac.” (In fact there were in excess of 15,000.) But Leber then went on to pressurise personnel in charge of the agency’s adverse reporting system to discount these reports as having “limited value”. By 1992 the number had climbed to 28, 600 with another seventeen hundred deaths. Yet David Kessler, commissioner of the FDA said, “Although the FDA receives many adverse event reports, these probably only represent a fraction of the of the serious adverse events encountered by providers. Only about one per cent of the serious events are reported to the FDA, according to one study.”
Just going on those words, by 1992 there would have been 2,860,000 adverse Prozac events. What will it be by now, 11 years later? I shudder to think. Frighteningly they are working on a version of Prozac to give to children. As if the poor kids don’t have enough on their hands with Ritalin, fluoride and vaccinations!
Thomas Hamilton, the man who killed 17 schoolchildren and their teacher at Dunblaine in Scotland was on Prozac. Eric Harris was on Luvox, a drug that shares the same classification as Prozac. The chief “active ingredient” of Prozac was also found in the blood of Henry Paul, the driver of Princess Diana’s car the night she was killed. Eek! Let’s not go there. That would require a 20,000-word post on it’s own.

Well you asked for proof of my lack of trust in the medical profession’s alternatives and I’ve at least given that much. In fact, I’ve given you nearly eight and a half thousand words of it. You may not agree with it (in fact if you value your career and you pension, you are bound to hate it!) but there it is. People can believe what they like about it, but I’ve listed the chief parts of why I think I’d rather take herbal supplements than stoop to capsules and a love of genetic modification. Given the list of crimes that science and “modern medicine” have committed against humanity, I think I’m safer sticking with the plants.
 
The list goes on...

"fluoride reacts with A LOT of medications, particularly anti-convulsants such as epilim, the reaction causes discolouration of the teeth, and bleeding swollen gums...the discoloured areas gradually soften and the teeth just end up crumbling...and even the teeth that don't crumble, they are lost cos the gums are so damaged, they no longer hold the teeth securely...and as the damage goes deeper, the jaw bone eventually starts to get destroyed in the same way as the teeth did...it's happening to one of my students"

And more about the wonderful miracle of immunisation......


"and this..."Her expose of vaccination reveals that the practice severely weakens the immune systems of children and opens them to all sorts of additional infections that their immune systems would otherwise repel or destroy."...once I found out about my son having the imms, I asked to check his records...within 2 weeks max of each imm, he'd been back at drs for either URTI, suspected asthma attack or stomach upset...every single time"
 
Wow! I'm utterly speechless!
In a huge departure from my unusually short attention span I sat and read that post in it's entirety. I can't tell you how impressed I am not only with your commitment to researching and writing such an amazingly eloquent post but with your dedication even though 99.9% of people reading it will either skip over it or not understand it.
And you can always get down on one knee and propose anyhow. I may be attached but I'll still be flattered as hell and give you a big ol hug 😀
You hit on something that is a very big deal for me
One of the editors of WorldNEtDaily.com, David Bresnahan, was told by one exceptionally idiotic schoolteacher in Utah that she routinely recommends Ritalin for children in her class. She mentioned the figure of 11 out of 29 kids in her 1st grade class as being on the drug on a daily basis.
If I wasn't ripping my hair out over the stupidity of this I'd be laughing at the sheer rediculousness. Don't you love it when teachers think they are qualified to dole out mind altering pharmecuticals? My husband used to work for Novartis, the company who manufactures Ritalin, and it is the only substance there that is transported by armed guard because it is, essentially, speed.
You will probably be pleased to know that not only do we practise the use of selective and delayed vaccinations for our daughter, but it is our goal to keep her as far away from teachers like the one mentioned above as is possible. Thankfully we live in New Jersey which is one of the easiest and least restrictive states in the union in which to homeschool your children. We will probablt at some point move to New Hampshire which is slightly more restrictive but not as bad as it could be. Even though it would be much cheaper to live in we specifically chose NOT to move to New York or Pennsylvania solely based on the fact that they are two of the most intrusive states as far as education is concerned.
I thank you so much, Jim, for sharing with us such an amazing post. Writing of that caliber is rare indeed. For that you get a great big *smooch* from Nessie. 🙂
 
I'm glad you found it good to read Ness and *smooches* backatcha, but all I did was compile and type. I didn't "discover" any of the research in that post; that was done by real doctors brave enough to risk their reputations and careers. (Like Guylaine Lanctot.) Much as I'd love to be a professional at such stuff, I'm only an amateur with too much time on his hands. 😉

Ta very much though. 😍 😉
 
Personally, I think the whole Adkins diet is nothing more than a passing trend.... like other diets that have been hyped, only to fade away, when the bandwagon-gang found a new fad.
 
Actually Dr Atkins' diet has been around since around the 1970's. New research and new ways of making more palletagble low-carb foods has brought it back into the foreground recently. It has established itself as a legitimate choice for weight loss and has long since passed being a "fad diet". Mostly dues to the fact that it WORKS and it is not difficult to live with.
 
Fad or not it works for me, and that's all I really care about...16lbs in 2 weeks. 🙂
 
TickleTheater said:
Fad or not it works for me, and that's all I really care about...16lbs in 2 weeks. 🙂


I'm seriously considering switching to that one myself now. Especially as I work out 3 or 4 times a week it should really fly!


By the way all you dieters...


www.weight-goals.com
 
Good for you, TT! My own results have been slllloooooowwwww. Much slower than when I have tried Atkins in the past which is a shame as I have been much more dedicated this time around. Didn't cheat once in 2 weeks and still only 6 lbs lost. Ah well...so goes it. Just means I wasn't carrying much extra water weight. Now that winter is finally over (70 degrees today!) I can get outside and get some much needed exercize.
Jim, if you think it'll work for you then by all means go for it! Like I said before if you can get through the first 2 weeks it gets really easy. 🙂 You seem to have your head about you (and something IN it too!) so you shouldnt have a problem. 😛
 
Holy crap! 16 lbs in 2 weeks?

I need to get on this plan, it seems much better than my walking and a little excersize at night...

So... what's it all about? You can only eat meat and cheese? I read that at first and don't remember reading anything else about it.

Being a big fat tub of... fat... Me needs to try this out.
 
There's a lot to it, Drago. I suggest reading Dr. Atkins' book "Dr Atikins New Diet Revolution". It's in about it's 9 millionth printing. 😛 There's a lot more to low carb dieting than meat and cheese. Include a lot of veggies (low carb ones), salad greens, and drink plenty of water. If you eat just meat and cheese sure you'll lose weight but you'll be bored to tears and probably pretty unhealthy.
And of course as with any diet exercize increases your success and Mr. TT has demonstrated.
 
Ah ... i'll have to buy this so-called, "book."

Thanks for info 🙂

I just found a little advertisement for it, and I went and filled in some info about myself and it said my BMI (Body Mass index) is in the "high risk" category and I could get heart disease and type 2 diabetes and other serious health problems easier.

Well, that sucks, I must say!

(Also, yeah, grats to TT on becoming less fat!)
 
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