Beware of this store!

[boxleitnerb]

"Tickle torture horror house"
http://www.clips4sale.com/store/1169

Beware of this store!

I bought a clip that was supposed to be 6 minutes long and should contain "a lot of pussy tickling".
Well, the clip was 4:23 and it contained no pussy tickling at all.
After confronting them and trying to resolve the situation, all I got back was 1) a blatant lie (they said, it contained pussy tickling, but it really really didnt - after all, I am not blind last I checked)
2) their argument, that the time under the price is autoset when the price is set and is not in their control.
Hello? Pricing, contents and the time are all heavy points to consider when buying a clip, at least to me. Or would you pay lets say 50 bucks for 4 minutes of playback, even if it was clearly and correctly labeled to be 4 minutes? I would not...
Thus, the running time is an important information to any customer and should be give correctly from the beginning
3) an offer, to buy a DVD at half price.
To be honest, that offer is nice and reasonable. But I dont take kindly to -lets call it deceptions- and therefore I declined.

In my opinion, all information must be 100 per cent accurate, as there are no refunds. Would you buy and agree you never see your money again, if you had doubts about the compliance of what you buy and how it is advertised for? Well, I have now, at least with this company.

Btw, they admitted their error with the time and told me, it has been fixed. Now I don't know if that fix would be immediate or take some time. But as a matter of fact, the time is still labeled as 6 minutes. After all, 6mins for 6.99 sound like a better deal than 4:23 mins for 6.99 ...

 

[laney1]

what you did not say sir was the fact that I also offered you a free clip (which you declined) Via email in reduced file size (because email simply can't handle very large files) or if you could provide server access I would gladly send you a a new Free clip. Over 75 copies of that clip have been sold and yours was the only complaint (can't make everyone happy) and again we would still be happy to send you a free clip if you wish to recant your "no thank you"
Laney

 

[cinnabar]

The pricing system on clips4sale works as follows:

1) You enter the length of the clip in minutes
2) The sytem gives you a drop down list of prices in a that vary based on the length of the clip.

So if you enter a time that is 6 minutes for example, it will let you choose to price it one of the following...
5.99
6.99
7.99
8.99

The terms of service you agree to when you sign up to run a store on clips4sale says that you should round down if the seconds are under 30 and up if it is over.

If the running time is 4:23, the time should have been entered as 4 minutes long - which would then present the following price choices...
4.99
5.99

These are real numbers from the store management system.

Also any changes you make on the store are reflected immediately.

 

[TC Video]

"Tickle torture horror house"
http://www.clips4sale.com/store/1169

Beware of this store!

I bought a clip that was supposed to be 6 minutes long and should contain "a lot of pussy tickling".
Well, the clip was 4:23 and it contained no pussy tickling at all.
After confronting them and trying to resolve the situation, all I got back was 1) a blatant lie (they said, it contained pussy tickling, but it really really didnt - after all, I am not blind last I checked)
2) their argument, that the time under the price is autoset when the price is set and is not in their control.
Hello? Pricing, contents and the time are all heavy points to consider when buying a clip, at least to me. Or would you pay lets say 50 bucks for 4 minutes of playback, even if it was clearly and correctly labeled to be 4 minutes? I would not...
...

correct me if i'm wrong but isn't this the same store that claims "there's a new tickling producer in town, and all the other producers are copying us!"

i'm pretty sure this is the same store who also says that "if you want lite and playful tickling you should "buy from other producers" "but if you want tickle torture you should buy from us."

and already they are having big time customer service complaints?
whoa. guess they are not as great and grandious as they thought. 🙂

there is nothing wrong with being a new tickling producer.
there is nothing wrong with being excited about your tickling content.
but when you come onto the scene telling everyone how you are instantly the greatest and your tickling is MUCH better than all other producers past and present ... then you have a big problem.
another video company tried that tactic a few years back and it's still backfiring on them to this day, leaving a bad taste in many people's mouths concerning them.

my advice?

make your content.
be proud of it.
offer it for sale.

but DON'T put other companies down by falsely telling people you are the best and everyone else doesn't make good stuff, as if you have some incredible secret of how to film tickling videos. there are no secrets. everyone is on a level playing field.

thanks,
😀

 

[cinnabar]

correct me if i'm wrong but isn't this the same store that claims "there's a new tickling producer in town, and all the other producers are copying us!"

i'm pretty sure this is the same store who also says that "if you want lite and playful tickling you should "buy from other producers" "but if you want tickle torture you should buy from us."

I'm fairly certain that you are correct, as I remember seeing these things as well. :weird:

 

[nessonite1]

Nothing irritates me (and a lot of others I assume) more than someone talking themselves up. Whether thay have the content to back it up or not it's just annoying to listen to somone stroke their own ego. 🙁

 

[boxleitnerb]

@ nessie
I'm sorry, I was just upset. But I wanted to give a fairly complete account of what had happended, albeit I had forgotten to mention that free clip thing.
I'm sorry...


@laney
I can understand and accept, that you can only choose certain prices when entering a time. But there is the catch: The time was not right in the first place. You make your video and know it is 4:23 long. I can understand that people make mistakes. There is nothing wrong with that, it's human.
But it's not okay not to admit one's mistake and insist the clip is 6 minutes long whereas it clearly is not.
Thank you for updating the information to the clip on your website.
I am sorry, not to have mentioned the free clip thing. I simply forgot that.
Finally - and mind you just out of curiosity and not out of spite or something - I would like to know where exactly the "pussy tickling" is, as advertised?
If possible, could you provide the timeframe of the clip where that should be found?

But to end all of this with a positive spin, I want to say that what was in the clip was really great and I enjoyed it.

 

[nessonite1]

No need to apologize to me!! I was mostly replying to TC's comment

 

[Goodieluver]

Im the greatest tickle producer on this plane of existance, nobody can top the shots i have in my mind 😛

 

[boxleitnerb]

No need to apologize to me!! I was mostly replying to TC's comment

Ups 🙂

 

[laney1]

Well i apologize for this but I am certianly not putting any tickling producers down by talking our content up. That is just marketing period. In fact I am here to learn. I have done research and I do feel in some ways we are being inovative. I think we put out a good product. In fact I am sure of it because our sales are very good. Also if the adminitrators would be so kind as to show me the way I would be happy to post a free clip for everyone to sample. Looking to make friends here not enemies.
Laney

 

[ticklevids]

"Tickle torture horror house"
http://www.clips4sale.com/store/1169

Beware of this store!

I bought a clip that was supposed to be 6 minutes long and should contain "a lot of pussy tickling".
2) their argument, that the time under the price is autoset when the price is set and is not in their control.

that is an absolute lie. the producers set the price for their clips ina control panel for each clip.

don't waste your time complaining to them. go directly to the webmaster at clips4sale. He doesn't like it when people lie and I bet he'll help you.

 

[MistressValerie1]

...Also if the adminitrators would be so kind as to show me the way I would be happy to post a free clip for everyone to sample. Looking to make friends here not enemies.
Laney

I know nothing about how Clips4sale operates nor am I familiar with your company, so I have no comment on it. However, if you wish to post a free clip here, a help guide is available here.

Regards,

 

[footweargoblin]

In fact I am here to learn. I have done research and I do feel in some ways we are being inovative.

First off, Laney, thank you for investing your time and money into the world of tickling. It's amazing just how much the playing field has changed since I started browsing the net in search of my favorite fetish back in 1999. Tickling has become easier to view, download, or even find, and has even become more nationally recognized (thank you, Howard Stern, Jay Leno, and Yakki - sorry if I mispelled that). New producers such as yourself are appearing each month, which is a good thing, because it brings fresh faces and different approach to the playing field.

To some, more producers putting out the same themes simply water down the product; this is evident in some of the "husband/wife porn team" efforts that have surfaced on clips4sale. Someone devoted to tickling, bondage, or even just feet is one matter. But when producers begin to showcase every possible fetish under the sun the content becomes subpar and "formulated", focusing more on the attractiveness of the girls rather than the material. See FM Concepts for more research on that.

One thing to remember is that the regulars (and occasional contributers such as myself) of this forum are a very picky bunch. Most of us have been interested in this particular fetish for much of our lives, and have developed certain tastes and preferences. Whether it's strict bondage, girl-on-girl hardcore tickling, gagged, blindfolded, licked by cats, cheerleader, real life spouses, or whatever the case may be. "Variety is the spice of life", as the old saying goes. Some producers have already mastered this (having been around for a number of years), and as a result have devoloped a following of loyal buyers.

My advice is to do what you like, what interests you. If your clips accurately reflect your passion about tickling, and none of the models are faking their ticklishness, then you'll have nothing to worry about. Any kinks (no pun intended) in your product will eventually be weeded out as you gain experience as a fetish producer. If, however, your "heart is not in this", and tickling is just a money-making venture, then word of mouth can be dangerous. Tickle fetishists know their craft well.

Some minor suggestions:

1) The GIFs used in your clip store can cause havok on slower systems during loading. Perhaps a multi-paneled picture (see TC's work for an idea) would work better.

2) Remove the F word from your samples area. It's a tad unprofessional, to say the least. But the sample idea is a good one, bravo there.

Welcome to the community, and good luck with your production.
-FootwearGoblin

 

[laney1]

thank you for being a Gentleman
and for all the negative comments i get from other producers...
I take those as a compliment
they are full aware of how good our clips are selling
Laney xo

 

[mart]

You are a new site and therefore people will give it a try. Like I have done. I bought 2 clips - "I can't take any more" and the 18 minute clip of Lea. I cannot say I am disappointed, because they have some nice enough features, especially the Lea clip. Under normal circumstances I should not say anything, but here there are 2 things that make me speak out.

One is that this thread is here, its main theme being that things are not as advertised -which has brought some negative responses, deserved or undeserved. The other is that the the action in the videos shows me that too little research has been done into the product you are offering, and this will, in time, cause people to judge you much more harshly than they have done - just read what people here have to say about FM Concepts.

1. It was difficult to find the Lea clip because the link that was given led to another site and it took me quite a while to find the site in the drop-down menu. Unnecessary.

2. Picture quality of the clips (I took the high resolution) is somewhat better than the trailers, much better than FM Concepts , but nowhere near as good as TCVideo, Armirante, SilverCherry and some of these sites. Sound is fine - everything clear and no background noises.

3. Bondage in both clips is too amateurish to be serious and puts the whole scenario in question. In the case of Lea, she certainly seems ticklish, but the guy fumbles with the ropes, has to start again, and all that kind of time-wasting, boring stuff that one is paying for by the minute. Have a look on TMF and on this forum, and you will find instructions for how to carry out a proper bondage, or look at any of the serious bondage sites. Failure to do so will simply show the site up as fake, with the people not knowing what they are doing.

Also in the "I can't" clip, the bondage is really weak, nor does the ticklee in any way struggle against it. If she really did, she would cut off her circulation.

I can take or leave bondage myself - not wild about it but but also not disturbed by it. However, if it is not properly done, and the acting is there as if it mattered, then I feel I am being taken for a ride.

4. The "I can't" clip write-up states that the tickler focuses on Laney's feet. This is quite clearly not the case. In fact, dispite repeated hints by Laney that she does not want to be tickled there, the tickler gives them very cursory attention and the bulk of the time is upper-body. The tickler seems completely uncoached, Laney volunteers the information that her neck is sensitive, but the tickler never spends enough time in any sensitive spot for anything to get really uncomfortable. The Oxygen mask is briefly applied near the end - God knows why, because most models have gone through much more in other videos without anyone ever having the idea that they needed rescucitation with pure oxygen.

5. The bottom line for me is, if you are going to hype the scene up to create certain effects that you are aiming for, you have to do the necessary research and create you setting so that it at least appears real. The fumbling, the lack of proper coaching and planning, the lack of a director with a clear concept of what she wants in her mind is really apparent. The people on this forum have discussed all these issues at great length in the past and you will quickly find them pointing to all of this a lot less politely than hitherto.

6. A good part of the professional presentaion of your content depends on the descriptions being exact to the letter, so that customers feel that they can trust you to describe things exactly as they are. I too feel that there are certain dicrepancies between what you claim and the reality. I am sure that it is not meant dishonestly with an intention to mislead, but it does show either of two things. One is unconcern, just not really knowing or caring what is in the clips, and the other is stating whatever you believe will entice the customers to buy. In the first case, it makes a very unprofessional impression, in the second it is an insult to the intelligence of the customer.

I actually wish you the best for your site and see potential there and I hope that what I have said will help rather than just make you feel criticised and slated. That is not my intention. The question has come up, however, and should, in all fairness be objectively addressed, as far as this is possible.

 

[laney1]

Thank you Eric
I assure you we will improve
Laney xo

 

[BleuFetish1]

ethics

let me simply say... that I think it "all comes out in the wash"

Everyone knows the ethical standards of TC and the TIB so I won't even bother defending them

And, I think most people appreciate how hard we (bleuFetish Videos) try to make sure our descriptions match EXACTLY what your going to get. I would rather you don't buy one of our clips so that you are not disapointed and you come back to buy others.

Same for various other long time tickling producers like Silver cherry and several others etc etc.

New producers often exagerate their claims and are not exactly the best business people and wind up pissing people off on both counts... they are here today and gone tomorrow...

As far as Tickle Torture Horror House... we'll soon see which one they are. But my word of friendly advice for them is.... "if you are not dealing ethically with your customers AND the models IT WILL come back and bite you in the ass... BIGTIME!!!" All you have to do is lie to a tickling buyer once or twice and your finished. The tickling buyer does NOT like to be ripped off yet can have a LOT of loyalty to those producers who EARN IT (I know because I've been purchasing clips and videos since many of you whippersnappers were in kindergarten 😉

There is a reason that a bunch of the long time producers are friendly and treat each other with respect... because that's how any good business person will act if they want to be around more then a few months... And in this business especially, since the good producers are tickling fetishists themselves... you have to prove yourself a bit just like any newbie in any group. Having a bit of humility goes a LONG way... ruffling feathers does work sometimes in business... but watch yourself... it's not usually a good long term business plan and it can be lonely with no friends 😉

best

Bo
BleuFetish Videos

 

[Thanatos2]

First, let me just say that I appreciate all of the hard work that our tickling producers endure to give us new material.

But there have been several clips listed on BleuFetis that say "and we will be releasing this DVD shortly." If the definition of "shortly" has been changed to "six months or more", then everything would be OK.

Just to be clear, I'm not offering any criticism of delivery, the quality of the content or accuracy of the descriptions.

I am only bringing this up because I want to be your customer!

 

[BleuFetish1]

yes... the whole DVD thing is a tricky situation. Most of us have found that it's just not worth it to make DVD's anymore. So although we have our hearts in the right place... simply... not enough people buy them to make it worth pressing them.

As we've announced in the past... we're not sure if and when we are going to release DVD's anymore. That is why we removed all of the text you are talking about on our website and no longer mention DVD's in new videos.

Perhaps we'll be able to release something in the future, especially if we can find an economical way to release short runs of them.

If you still see any reference to NEW DVD's on our site... please do let us know... it should be removed while we are deciding what to do...

thanks
Bo

 

[mabus1]

Well laney, first off, thanks for caring! A lot of producers don't even care, and don't even bother communicating with their customers. And still others advertise, and that's it - no discussion, feedback, responses, nothing. "Buy our stuff" and that's it. If you stay with the forums, see what people want, make quality videos, people will forgive the kinks and stay with you. Speaking for myself, make some pantyhose tickling videos, and I'll buy them. TIB uses the 640 by 480 screen resolution, and hopefully that becomes an "industry standard," because let me tell you, those small screen sizes where you need to yank out the magnifying glass to see anything have got to go.
Do something other than the "model spread eagle being tickled," which seems to be the most used pose in the history of tickling, along with the "model in stocks," so big sometimes you can't even see her facial reactions, and people will buy them.
And good luck in the future! We want you to succeed, so don't worry about the criticism - don't give up because of negative feedback.

 

[mart]

let me simply say... that I think it "all comes out in the wash"

Everyone knows the ethical standards of TC and the TIB so I won't even bother defending them

And, I think most people appreciate how hard we (bleuFetish Videos) try to make sure our descriptions match EXACTLY what your going to get. I would rather you don't buy one of our clips so that you are not disapointed and you come back to buy others.

Same for various other long time tickling producers like Silver cherry and several others etc etc.

New producers often exagerate their claims and are not exactly the best business people and wind up pissing people off on both counts... they are here today and gone tomorrow...

As far as Tickle Torture Horror House... we'll soon see which one they are. But my word of friendly advice for them is.... "if you are not dealing ethically with your customers AND the models IT WILL come back and bite you in the ass... BIGTIME!!!" All you have to do is lie to a tickling buyer once or twice and your finished. The tickling buyer does NOT like to be ripped off yet can have a LOT of loyalty to those producers who EARN IT (I know because I've been purchasing clips and videos since many of you whippersnappers were in kindergarten 😉

There is a reason that a bunch of the long time producers are friendly and treat each other with respect... because that's how any good business person will act if they want to be around more then a few months... And in this business especially, since the good producers are tickling fetishists themselves... you have to prove yourself a bit just like any newbie in any group. Having a bit of humility goes a LONG way... ruffling feathers does work sometimes in business... but watch yourself... it's not usually a good long term business plan and it can be lonely with no friends 😉

best

Bo
BleuFetish Videos

Very well said. I have a number of your clips and have always found that they match the description to the letter. You people, Jeff, the TIB, and a number of others have set a standard of video quality, customer service, respect and other qualities and any new company is going to have quite a time matching that until they have established themselves.

I therefore wish a new company much strength to make its way and also become respected and successful.

 

[Thanatos2]

yes... the whole DVD thing is a tricky situation. Most of us have found that it's just not worth it to make DVD's anymore. So although we have our hearts in the right place... simply... not enough people buy them to make it worth pressing them.

As we've announced in the past... we're not sure if and when we are going to release DVD's anymore. That is why we removed all of the text you are talking about on our website and no longer mention DVD's in new videos.

Perhaps we'll be able to release something in the future, especially if we can find an economical way to release short runs of them.

thanks
Bo

GGGRRRRRRR!!!! I thought I could pressure you into getting some of these DVDs out! Instead, I think I have locked them away forever!! <sob> <sob> Does anyone have a tissue?

 

[Neutron]

That Company..

Does make the best Handjob clips around though!

Tron

 

[Neutron]

And Laney

You never answered my email!!
It wasn't a complaint by the way. Your ass slide video is awesome!
Tron