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blair stripping away 1000 years of hard won liberties

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tony`s done it again,he`s crushed the rebels in parliament and pushed through a new piece of law allowing judges to solely decide on results in some major court cases,as "they`re too complicated for juries to understand",watch out america,we`re being trampled on here by "our betters",the tides going that way too over there with terrorist acts etc. :sowrong:
 
the price of freedom....

It's funny how England and America are on a civil liberty killing spree in the name of a false sense of security. We're willing to go to war with far off Third World Nations and show them what democracy is, yet we can't find it in our hearts to help our poor and provide for the needs of the common laborer. We seem to be so apathetic towards preserving our own good fortune that less than half of us even vote.

The saddest part of all of this is that it is the laborers and poor themselves that elect the same politicians that neglect their interests. This irony, of course, leaves one to wonder: is democracy even a relevant type of government anymore, when the notion that "the people don't know what's best for themselves" begins to make sense? Perhaps, Nietzsche's idea of the Ubermenschen has more relevance than we at first assume. Consider for a moment the possibility that some people, whether subconsciously or consciously, have a desire to be led rather than to lead. Then, apply this hypothesis to the fact that so many of us are followers while there are far fewer leaders in our societies.

Most of us don't want to stand out in society, and by consequence, we "elect" leaders to make difficult decisions for us and to take the brunt of political conflict as well. Yet, in an age where TV ads have a greater effect on our votes than our own personal research into each candidate's platform, one must also wonder what the point of giving such a crucial electoral power to the people is when most of them squander this power in apathy and ignorance. It's far more en vogue to vote along party lines than to actually vote according to "issues." Essentially, the messages that people give to politicians by doing this are that they don't care about any issues they can't understand at face value, and they are too lazy to actually investigate how each politician stands on issues that are often very vital to the livelihood of their constituents.

The conclusion I've come to is that, perhaps, now is the time for meritocracy. In the U.S., we live in what is essentially a plutocratic republic. We elect representatives that support the interests of the wealthy and powerful at the expense of the rest of us. Communism may have fallen, but Marx's class war looms as a very real possibility in the near future if corporations continue to consolidate power and capital while the poor grow in numbers. It seems as if the only way to counter this trend is to focus on putting the most educated and intelligent in office rather than the most popular. Unfortunately, in a democracy, popularity is paramount, and it is quite rare for the most popular and the most intelligent to be the same candidate. In a meritocracy, the most intelligent are the rulers. Classes would still develop, but if the economy is a healthy mixture of socialism and capitalism, then perhaps, life would be better for those of us that aren't in the top 10% income bracket of the population.

Of course, there are many who would disagree with me... and I would hope they would defend there views here... of all places... 😀
 
It may be true, but we ahve people who would get pissy at the thought of losing the right to vote-probsbly people whoo havent voted, too. The the canidadtes who will get elected are the ones that wave the "keep your freedom" banner the hardest
 
Democracy would'n be so bad if we were actually given a choice in who to vote for.

Every time we get the same sort fo people from the same schools, same backgrounds and the same families... without any choice of someone independant. Even Ross Perot is only where he is because he's buddies with the same people Bush, Clinton and Gore are.

As for Blair, if I ever meet the wanker, I might just forget that I don't believe in unessesary violence. :disgust: :sowrong:
 
No one....but no one............

.....has more Patriotic feeling for his country than me, as regular veiwers of this web site will testify. However no one has more anti europe sentiments than me either (apart from Big Jim). I dont mean that in the sense that I hate europeans, or that i hate europe as a place ( I have a home in spain) I love the place. I do however have very deep seated mistrust and no faith at all in the E.U. All I see is the U.K. giving and the E.U. taking. There is currently a whole raft of eastern european states who want to ome in to the E.U. and they are all willing to give up their sovereinty and their currency in order to join but thats hardly a suprise as the whole lot combined can not match Finland,s GDP!! The Truth of the matter is that the French and the Germans are sick of making up the difference (although we already put in the same amount that Spain Take out) and want us to suffer as well. Well no thanks mate, its your red wagon (as they say in the deep south) and I for one would be much happier making up an extra star on" Old Glory" than giving away any more to the European Union. Just look what happenes when the shit hits the fan in Iraq, the E.U. is totally incapable of doing anything. The U.K. has the only fully professional standing army in western europe, and therefore the only european country able to have a say one way or the other. Its time we told these Brussels dick heads where to get off.
 
*buys red and jim a beer*kinda gives you hope knowing not everyone is "on message" and going along with this political bullshit that`s being shovelled down our throats!!:Grrr: 😡
 
Hey kid, get with the program! LOL


Things will be fine till Hal gets here. :blaugh:
 
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