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Blimey!!! I thought it was just me!!!!

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IT'S THE LAND OF THE HUMOUR FREE

By Kevin O'Sullivan


WE were sipping a drink in Los Angeles when I turned to my fellow ex-pat, actor Tim Curry, and asked him what he missed most about Britain.

The former Rocky Horror Show star - now carving out a Hollywood career as a classic English bad guy - barely needed time to think before giving his one-word answer.

"Irony," he said.

And we both smiled and nodded because he had hit the nail right on the head.

After years of living there, I have to say that California may be sunny - but it sure ain't funny.

I pay due respect to great wits such as Mark Twain, Gore Vidal and even Woody Allen. And I offer appropriate deference to brilliant comedy shows such as Seinfeld, Frasier and, at its best, Friends.

But, among its regular Joe citizens, the nation's increasing obsession with political correctness has taken a terrible toll on its capacity for clever humour.

A naturally earnest bunch, they seem to take everything at face value. If they screened The Office on NBC or CBS they'd think it was a documentary. I kid you not.

A typical conversation between a Brit and a Yank about an awful new movie, might go something like this.

Brit, voice dripping in sarcasm: "Oh yeah, that's a great film. The best I've ever seen."

Yank, brow furrowed in confusion: "You think so? I quite enjoyed it but I don't think it was the best movie ever made. I believe Citizen Kane was far superior, although that wasn't an animated feature."

They go on in the same straightfaced way about their social interactivity, their important "charidee" work (usually by way of a tax break), their mind-improving multi-task communal help group and their life-changing-child-within-you management classes.

The use of irony, satire, double entendre - and almost anything short of a custard pie in the face - is liable to rebound on you in spectacularly embarrassing fashion.

True story: At a barbecue I decided to risk a little cultural quip.

"How many Californians does it take to change a light bulb?" I asked.

"Dunno," came the communal response.

"One hundred," I declared.

"One to carry out the task and 99 to share the experience."

After about 30 seconds of excruciating silence one of them piped up: "But what would you get out of sharing the experience of changing a light bulb? I don't understand why anyone would want to do that."

His chums nodded in grave agreement while I looked for a hole to swallow me up.

A friend once tried to crack an admittedly feeble joke about the Canadian city of Vancouver being so behind the times that the initials "B.C." which accompany it must surely stand for Before Christ.

No one laughed.

Then an American woman leaned over and said in all seriousness: "No, I think you're confused. Vancouver B.C. stands for the Canadian state British Columbia."

My pal still turns a bright shade of red when he recalls how he found himself adopting a suddenly enlightened expression while thanking her for putting him straight.

They just don't get it.

And, to show that the joke will always be on them, the Americans think it is us who have no sense of humour.

That would be because our comedians don't shout, talk nonsense at machine-gun speed or litter all their tales with "mother f***er".

Robin Williams? I've met funnier undertakers.

Adam Sandler? Funny voice - unfunny guy.

It was hysterical when that weirdo Pee Wee Herman got caught in the act in a porn movie cinema - but until then what kind of nation elevated this insomnia cure to the status of important comic icon? The list goes on.

The one British funnyman that every American loves is the late, not particularly great Benny Hill.

Think of his juvenile, saucy slapstick - the kind of stuff that long since died a death in Britain - and you have what has the average American in stitches.

There is much to be said for Americans.

They are generous hosts, genial companions and thoughtful friends.

But after nine years of life in LA-LA land, I still remember how I devised a way of using their ironyfree environment for my own Brit-style amusement.

After being pinned to the wall by a particularly boring example of the species I would turn to them and say: "I've really enjoyed your company. You are an exceptionally fascinating person."

We'd go our separate ways, both wearing wide smiles.

But not for the same reason.



OK lads and lassess "compare and contrast" as they say and I want your essays on my desk by monday week.....Tally Ho!!
 
Uh huh...

What a fascinating post & thread....I like the ones that stereotype large groups of people the best!

Btw, red...Benny Hill....no, Monty Python....yes. Black Adder....yes, most others.....no.

Just a voice from the cultural wasteland we call America.

🙂

Q
 
Also interesting to note....

....this paper is what passes over here as a left of centre, left wing liberal, Clinton/Blair supporting paper!!
 
I feel like a traitor and I loathe blanket statements-but I mostly agree with the essay. My hubby and I are standup comedy freaks, we enjoy a lot of obscure people from all over the place (any Mitch Hedberg or Greg Berendt fans here?) Americans tend to suck the humor out of things more than the British, in my experience, and depend more on slapstick and bathroom humor. I've noticed it big time since I left New York and lived in Vermont (where nothing is funny unless it involves syrup or harassing canadians)and now Ohio. New Yorkers, I feel, still have an appreciation for wit and decent sarcasm, but there really is a dearth in other places. Most of my favorite comedians are British or Canadian, despite my love of those from America.

But I still think Pee Wee's Big Adventure was funny as hell 😎

Bella
 
bella said:
...(any Mitch Hedberg or Greg Berendt fans here?)...

Mitch HedBerg rocks!!! 😀

Paraphrased:

People usually introduce me with, "You may have seen our next comedian on David Letterman..." But, out of the 4 million peeps who have seen me on Letterman, I have not met one of them.

I think I should be introduced with, "You may have seen our next comedian at the store..."
_______________

And so forth... Cheers. 😀
 
OoooooK! Good deal Red!
Here's the rant that I showed you earlier!
LOL Y'all, I'm only posting this because he said I was finally getting into the spirit of things by sending him this! 😉 It's an old piece from a UK website that appreciates a good ribbing! I find it funny as all get out! ESPECIALLY since I too am from the south! (Like the writer.)

As far as comedians, I like 'em all. Brits have a nice biting tone that I dig in comedy. Sometimes they are even funny when they don't mean to be! 😛 I hear Ali G is good....and as soon as I get those tapes back from being converted 🙄 I'll let y'all know! Any opinions on him??

Joby
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Hey Britain. Don't you think it's about time you pasty-faced, pansy-assed, Cro-Magnon toothed, limey losers grow up and stop whining about the "war for American independence" and films that portray your humiliating defeat to a bunch of farmers? Why don't you people go back to doing what you do best, spending your energies discussing whether Charles or Wills should be the next Queen of England?

Anyone who's read a paper in the last two weeks knows the latest target of the offended British non-sensibilities is the movie The Patriot. One British tabloid -- all newspapers in England are tabloids -- complained that the movie's "baddies are, as usual, the treacherous, cowardly, evil, sadistic Brits." Duh. Seems accurate enough to me, but the city of Liverpool is demanding an apology for the films portrayal of their local hero, Banastre Tarleton, who shall forever be known in my house as the Butcher of Liverpool.

What really hacks me off about your outrage at Hollywood's treatment of slimey's is that as a Southern-American, me an my kind have been on the receiving end of Hollywood stereotypes since the day they started making them thar movin' pictures. Need an evil cop or state trooper in a movie? Give him a southern accent, even if the movie is set in Idaho. Need a tyrannical fundamentalist preacher to rail against the evils of footloose teen dancing? Just give him a southern accent, even if he hails from Utah.

Either we live in mansions and pine about tomorrow being another day, or we live in trailers and tell every Yankee we see 'you shore got a purty mouth'. There ain't no middle ground with Hollywood. But I'm not whining, I just accept it as part of what Hollywood is all about. It's not like we're the only group they stereotype, but the only people I hear complaining are you exceptionally thin-skinned Brits.

For all your pomp and circumstance, and all of the centuries you've been a nation, you British have accomplished very little. Oh sure, you wrote the Magna Carta, but it was Americans who created modern democracy. Other than colonial tyranny, buggery, rugby and soccer fan violence, and general cheesiness, at what have you Brits excelled? Certainly not dentistry. And anyone who's ever tried to start a British manufactured motorcar in the rain knows you can't build those very well. But in a country where the Teletubbies are considered the standard of excellence in children's broadcasting, I suppose that's not surprising.

A thousand years of history have yet to give you Brits the know-how to create a loo that works properly. And you would think that over that span of time you could have concocted something appetizing to eat. British food is an assortment of fried fish, liver, kidneys, and any other meat product that in America wouldn't make it off the slaughterhouse floor. Frankly, I suspect the Germans let you win the Battle of Britain because they were not at all interested in ruling a country stuck in the middle of the 15th century. You people live like savages.

British music has always sucked. British composers like Handel the immigrant, Elgar, Boy George, Phil Collins and Andrew Lloyd Weber have polluted the world with music that is so pretentious, ostentatious, and gay that it's almost French. Your government run health service is so backward one would think it was operated by the Italians. And your pastime of soccer, or football as you call it, is a game so boring I believe you must have stolen it from the Canadians.

Speaking of soccer, British sports suck and you British suck at them as well. There are stories of soccer being played in England as early as 217 AD, with the skull of one's enemy used as a ball. But by 1100 AD, the pastime had deteriorated into a violent mob sport without rules where any sort of behavior was condoned, much like the game of today. While the rules of the modern game of soccer were adopted in Britain in 1863, it didn't take long for the rest of the world to prove they were better at it than you Brits.

How deliciously ironic it is that around every 4th of July, one of Britain's grandest sport traditions, Wimbledon, is invaded by Americans who promptly plow their way to the title. Perhaps for this 4th of July, Pete Sampras, Andre Agassi, Venus or Serena Williams, or Lindsey Davenport will give America yet another title while the long, oh so long, British drought continues.

No wonder you poor Brits have such an inferiority complex. In many ways Britain has become nothing more than an American colony. British history of 20th century is merely a laundry list of the US bailing out your jolly ole bums in one way or another. We opened the century saving you from the Kaiser, and despite the constant interference of Field Marshall Montgomery, we spent the middle of the century saving you from the Nazi's. We spent the last half of the century protecting you from the Russians, and at the end of the century it took Ford to build a Jaguar with a working electrical system and an American rooster named Rocky to save the day in Chicken Run. I just hope that when we get our nuclear weapons defense shield in place we have the good sense to leave Britain unprotected, so that when the missiles come, you ninnies can finally be put out of your misery.

So before you get all emotional and superior whining about the good ole days of the American Revolution, remember this: You were ruled by a beastly and insane King who was so dumb he couldn't read until he was eleven. Many of your countrymen of the time were aware of this and opposed fighting the war, but being British they were cowards, and while picking on a bunch of poorly-armed farmers was such good sport, raising a finger to overthrow a tyrannical monarchy would have been oh so messy.

So Great Britain, on this 4th of July raise your mug high and drink a toast to the United States of America, because without us you wouldn't exist today. God bless America, and may God save you British queens.
 
Y'won't catch me arguin' this one. I won't even go into the fact that the problem described was in LA! Northern California is better, but not much, and the U.S., in general, caters it's televised humor to a very low common denominator.

Live performances of comedy don't tend to suffer as badly, though. They almost compete evenly with the comedy from Canada and England.

England DID release Benny Hill, though, as the author said. What's that Christian phrase, about casting stones? 😉

Funny stuff, red! Leave it to Jo to give back wit' both barrels!
 
Hi DeeVeeEnCee!!

I feel kind of deflated now at least two of you have agreed with me!!! that was not in my game plan!!! you have completely spoilt my fun.

Just for the record, I am old enough to remember "Wait till your father gets home" and "Barney Miller" and I used to like those shows. i agree wit you about the gulf between what you get to see on the TV and what you can see live, I am a great fan of Lenny Bruce and Bill Hicks, I dont think those guys ever get on prime time TV!

I was talking to my mates tonight about this issue regarding Brit/American humour, and we started talking about a brit show called "The office" and they let it slip that I remind them of the principle character "David Brent" who I think is hilarious, but i am now not sure what to make of it!!!
 
Blimy! Are you bloody barmy red??? Here now what are you all about?
 
Re: Hi DeeVeeEnCee!!

red indian said:
I feel kind of deflated now at least two of you have agreed with me!!! that was not in my game plan!!! you have completely spoilt my fun.

Aw, sorry t'spoil it for ya, red. Y'just found somethin' I agree wit'. Maybe it's my movin' t'Canada? 😉

You're right about Lenny Bruce, too. So little live footage exists. Dustin Hoffman talked about that in the interview followin' that movie they did about Bruce. I met several comics in the San Francisco bay area, as a young man, that called him their great inspiration, and heard dozens more on the radio, back when the Alex Bennett Show featured so many different comics.

At least you remind your friends of someone positive. I think the nicest memory I ever inspired in someone was in Bella, who said I reminded her of a certain comic book character. Others have made even more humorous comparisons. My favorite of them is from an ex that called me a favorable cross between Sinatra and Manson. Funniest part was that she meant it as a compliment! 'Least you get the good ones, brother!
 
Sinatra and Manson???????????
Hooo-BOY! You do sorta seem like the baby the would come form that union! 😛 Toooo funny!

I think I must be talkin' to Red too much lately, I'm starting to get realy impatient with people who don't insult someone at least a couple times in a conversation. I believe it's a way of expressing "the love" in Brit-land. 😉


Joby...taking her irony vitamin.
 
Bella and her ol' buddy Bert

dvnc said:


At least you remind your friends of someone positive. I think the nicest memory I ever inspired in someone was in Bella, who said I reminded her of a certain comic book character.

Every time you call someone 'bub' my head spins a bit, sweetie 😎

At least you get compared to cool people and/or people who exist. My cheeks have always earned me comparison with Gary Coleman, and when my hair is in it's natural state I look WAY too much like Ernie (and yes, I've been forced to do that heinous laugh under torture 😛 )

The truly good, irony and sarcasm-dripping shows are shot down in this country. 'Titus' was our favorite show, you just don't find scripts and monologues that great. It's been cancelled. I do get to go see him tomorrow night (YAY 😀 😀 😀 ) but it's not the same, I miss Stacy Keach-the best and scariest tv dad of all time!

Bella
 
Way figure it, darlin', that comic warped my speakin' pattern in the formative years. That's my story, 'n' I'm stickin' to it. 😉 That I've got the hair to match it these days is your fault, entirely. Cracks me up, now. I've made several people do double-takes. I'm lucky I ain't any shorter.

Somehow, I'm glad I never made the Gary Coleman association wit' ya back when we played, Bella. It would've skewed things, I think. You're TOO fun to torment, though, and I can see where tryin' t'get you t'laugh like Ernie would be humorous. Cruel and a bit sadistic, but evilly humorous. Gettin' ya t'sing "Rubber Ducky" at NEST next year comes to mind. Wonder if Kraftie's up for that one. We'd be a viscious duo...

Jo, that ex o' mine really did indeed make the association 'tween yours truly and a combo of a psycho and a singer. Worse still, I used to be a singer. It was funny at the time, and still gets me grinnin' sometimes, but the pragmatic side o' me gets to wonderin' why I don't scare babies, y'know?
 
dvnc said:
[B Somehow, I'm glad I never made the Gary Coleman association wit' ya back when we played, Bella. It would've skewed things, I think. You're TOO fun to torment, though, and I can see where tryin' t'get you t'laugh like Ernie would be humorous. Cruel and a bit sadistic, but evilly humorous. Gettin' ya t'sing "Rubber Ducky" at NEST next year comes to mind. Wonder if Kraftie's up for that one. We'd be a viscious duo...
[/B]

It does skew things, usually once the connection is made I hafta go put on something reaalllllly girlie to fix the injured headspace :devil: . As for Ernie, it was great fun to dress up as him for Halloween once-I, um, have a slightly different figure and the tight striped shirt did interesting things with it 🙄.

I do NOT sing 'Rubber Ducky' on my own time no matter what you do, I get paid to sing it during the week. Hundreds of thousands of times. Along with 'C is for Cookie'. (You might all be figments, as I think I lost my mind a few years ago thanks to my chosen profession :rotate: )

Funny you mention viscious duos, Wolvie: I was thinkin' that about Kraftie and ME. And I bet she'd be up for that, hmmmm...:firedevil

Bella
 
bella said:

I do NOT sing 'Rubber Ducky' on my own time no matter what you do, I get paid to sing it during the week. Hundreds of thousands of times. Along with 'C is for Cookie'. (You might all be figments, as I think I lost my mind a few years ago thanks to my chosen profession :rotate: )

Funny you mention viscious duos, Wolvie: I was thinkin' that about Kraftie and ME. And I bet she'd be up for that, hmmmm...:firedevil

Bella

You and Kraftie as a duo is downright spooky t'think about. 'Least I'd die smilin'. 😉

Stuck thinkin' "that's good enough for me",

dvnc
 
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