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Born after your time?

Jrvtwinkle

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I know that it's perfectly normal to say that someone was born before their time. But what about the opposite? Can you say someone was born after their time? That's how I feel about myself. I'm eighteen years old, and I feel out of place. Most of this stems from my taste in music. I listen to mainly 60's rock bands, but recently I've been getting into older stuff. I like Frank Sinatra, Dean Martin and Louis Armstrong. I've even been trying to find older stuff from the 40s. This is music that my grandparents listen to. I don't think most of my friends would even know who any of these artists are. Heck, they barely know who Abbott and Costello are.
 
Great taste. There is quality in every age and the good stuff never really becomes dated. Enjoy.
 
I can totally relate to this. I often would what would happen if I played the Beach Boys' version of 'Sloop John B' to my friends; they'd probably think 'Who the heck is this?' and think I was living in the past.

But I also feel the same way about movies. I'm 23, and I really don't like many films from the past ten or fifteen years. If most of my friends would watch Anchorman or Kick-Ass, I'd much rather watch something like City Lights from 1931, or a James Cagney movie. It feels like I'm out of step, but it doesn't bother me a great deal. It comes back to that old issue of being an individual and having your own tastes 🙂
 
Nothing wrong with having discerning taste in an age of group-think "likes". Consider yourself fortunate.
 
Nothing wrong with enjoying the classics. I listen to all the music my father used to listen to, I have his love for old classic cars, and I enjoy his tv shows and movies. It doesn't really mean we're born "after our time", I think it just means we have good taste and open minds. =]
 
People mistake the media of a time period as representative of it; I love the Beach Boys and James Cagney as much as the next man but I sure do enjoy modern medicine, blacks having the right to vote and homosexuals not having to cower in fear from lynch mobs even more.
 
What you're describing is exactly what happened with me, winkle. I'm 43, and was born in 1970. When I was in my teens, my fav groups were Simon and Garfunkel, and the Beatles, both of whom broke up the year I was born.

My view is, if you like the music you're listening to.. go for it. As long as you're happy, there really is no problem with it being "before your time" so to say.
 
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I I like Frank Sinatra, Dean Martin and Louis Armstrong. I've even been trying to find older stuff from the 40s.

You sir, are a man of refined tastes. If you have not looked into the Big Band sound of the 1930s and 1940s, do so without delay. I suspect you will enjoy it. I can offer more specific suggestions if you like. 🙂
 
Days come and go: just like years, decades, and even centuries. There are people who love new music, but love ancient art - and vice versa. It depends on the state-of-mind of the individual. This state is driven by tastes, and these "tastes" are driven by experience and exposure. Does it matter when they originated? In my opinion, not at all...
 
This a complicated philosophical matter,... particularly if you expand the implications of "your time" to more than just popular music. I was born in the early 50's but I work almost exclusively with 20-somethings and it can be heartbreaking to project what they can expect during their lifetimes.. Maybe they never saw Elvis or have no idea what Watergate was about,.... but they're gonna be faced with everything from global warming to super-bug pandemics to God-knows-what kinds of disasters will accompany economic collapse and its associated tribulations. Fingers crossed that we have another "greatest generation" on the way,... but I'm not so sure. As far as I'm concerned, all these kids were born "after their time," .....
 
People mistake the media of a time period as representative of it; I love the Beach Boys and James Cagney as much as the next man but I sure do enjoy modern medicine, blacks having the right to vote and homosexuals not having to cower in fear from lynch mobs even more.

Well said.
 
This a complicated philosophical matter,... particularly if you expand the implications of "your time" to more than just popular music. I was born in the early 50's but I work almost exclusively with 20-somethings and it can be heartbreaking to project what they can expect during their lifetimes.. Maybe they never saw Elvis or have no idea what Watergate was about,.... but they're gonna be faced with everything from global warming to super-bug pandemics to God-knows-what kinds of disasters will accompany economic collapse and its associated tribulations. Fingers crossed that we have another "greatest generation" on the way,... but I'm not so sure. As far as I'm concerned, all these kids were born "after their time," .....

That is a gloomy revelation, and is very regressive and depressive. But, never undermine revolution, progress, and elevation. We cannot paint a point in time, but for every bad cause, there might be a positive effect.
 
That is a gloomy revelation, and is very regressive and depressive. But, never undermine revolution, progress, and elevation. We cannot paint a point in time, but for every bad cause, there might be a positive effect.
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Sorry, Jag. I guess it was kind of gloomy, but I barely scratched the surface of the environmental hazards coming down the road - and some probably already past the "tipping point." I'm a big fan of progress and revolution, for sure,.. and while there is no guaranteed prediction, nor any way to write off the chance of some kind of miracle,.... the trends do not look good.

Some in the Futurist Society are saying that in 50 years, the Earth's population will only be one-fifth of what it is today. That might be the positive effect of bad causes you speak of,..... collateral damage included. I just don't like our odds. And I have a 24-year-old son, so I try to think about this stuff as realistically as I can.
 
Not to uh, darken this once innocent thread, but I think we're probably due for a mass-extinction any decade now.

My money's on a modern plague.
 
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Sorry, Jag. I guess it was kind of gloomy, but I barely scratched the surface of the environmental hazards coming down the road - and some probably already past the "tipping point." I'm a big fan of progress and revolution, for sure,.. and while there is no guaranteed prediction, nor any way to write off the chance of some kind of miracle,.... the trends do not look good.

Some in the Futurist Society are saying that in 50 years, the Earth's population will only be one-fifth of what it is today. That might be the positive effect of bad causes you speak of,..... collateral damage included. I just don't like our odds. And I have a 24-year-old son, so I try to think about this stuff as realistically as I can.

Not to uh, darken this once innocent thread, but I think we're probably due for a mass-extinction any decade now.

My money's on a modern plague.

I was talking about music guys... 😛

Anyhow, yes - from a realistical standpoint, humanity is at a crossroad. My theory is that more people are breeding way to much, and natural resources are dissipating at a high rate. We should not get into the politics and religion behind this here. We all do our own research, observation, analysis, and draw to our own theories and possible conclusions.

I make arguments with futurists and theorists all the time. My simple question is: "How do you know?" There are so many causes that can cause a extinction level event. Plagues, war, asteroids, close neutron stars blowing up, alien invasion, zombies, and the list can go on and on... Why should we care? "Oh yes, I have children and grandchildren." That conversation will draw us to spirituality, faith, and religion. We should not go there in this thread.

The theme of this thread is here and now, and the theory of "wrong time-placement."
 
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Why is it when some people (usually liberals) look back on the past, the see that bad, and assume people who miss those days miss those evils?

What FOUR people in America miss the days when blacks and women couldn't vote? Who miss when gays were lynched?

I know I know I KNOW, in there minds it's a majority....yet it's strange they go out during the day....shouldn't they be afraid of rampaging hoards of
American savages tearing them to ribbons?

There was a book once talking about the not-so-good old days, and I breezed through it, expecting to find some reality of things actually be horrible back then, but it was about how we didn't have medical advances and things like that.......SIGH....YES, yes, that's exactly right, you're are exactly correct. You are right, everyone wants to go back when there was no aspirin and surgeries were done while people bite down on a piece of wood so as not to bite their tongue's off. That's exactly why people want to go back in time. It it. No, no, your right, people want to back to times of no clean water and slavery and Inquisitions. That's exactly right. (Wait's until blithering idiot leaves right all smug and shit...) Fucking douche bag moron...does he even know how to use utensils?

Music was better back then.
There were many things that were better, and I have many friends who wish they were born in the 50's.
Hell, even bands like Metallica early songs and middle songs were great listens. The Black Album.
Country music in the 90's and before was excellent. It evoked an earlier, simpler time.
Now it's pop/rock country. I hate most of it.

Styles of dress couldn't be beaten, at least in "fancy" style I love pantyhose/nylons, of course.
All ladies wore nylons for any formal occasion back then. Weddings were wonderful!
Now people go to things like baptisms and weddings with shorts and flip flops.
It's probably a subconscious thing.....people can't define it, but they know it's different.

Cooking shows were better!!!! Watch an old episode of Great Chefs, which even featured the likes of Emeril Lagasse.
The camera was almost always aimed at the food, it was all about the food and the technique.
And...the shows almost always featured real chefs or cooks.
Notice now - the camera is always on the personality, and the food may be shown in a wide shot
with the host's face. The hosts now are personalities, preferably good looking, and the real chefs have left
Food Network. Again, it's all subconscious, but has a very real effect.

TV was better. Now it's all Reality TV. Reality TV is bagasse - no nutritional value, like donuts.
It has ZERO staying power or culture. No one will ever remember who the winner of Big Brother 7 is, nor who the 5th Bachelor chose to fuck for a few nights
until the girl got bored. Most people will remember Dallas, Twin Peaks, Transformers, The Smurfs, MacGyver, etc.
Hell, that's why Hollywood is bringing them all back!

This is why shows like The Walking Dead and Game of Thrones are doing gangbusters - they're the only original, well written and made things
out there. Hell, I'm getting bored with Waking Dead, but I'm more engaged in that show than I am in any Reality TV crap.

"ICONIC" is dead, or rare.

The design of movies like Total Recall, Robocop, Darth Vader, are all iconic - they'll be remembered for decades. The new Total Recall came and went.
The new Robocop remake, looks generic. It'll be forgotten soon after it leaves theaters. People will remember Star Wars forever.

Discipline is another thing people miss. Kids weren't shooting up schools, stabbing teachers, cursing out teachers, threatening teachers, etc.
Teachers weren't molesting students. It's great that we now KNOW some of that did happen, but it wasn't happening at the rate that it is now.
There weren't metal detectors in schools, which actually had windows back then, and didn't look like prisons.

There are some things that ARE better - super hero movies are now in the Golden Age.....back then, if they got the name of your comic book character right,
you rejoiced. You celebrated the 10% - if they got up to 10% of the comic right, it was party time.....they were NEVER going to get more than that, what the fuck do you want?!!!

If you took a copy of Iron Man or The Avengers....obviously the effects and budget are top notch, but just...having the characters be like in the comic books,
having everything in the movie coming from the comic book.....nerds back then would literally die of happy heart attacks in the theaters!
Fantasy movies are doing well these days.
 
Not to uh, darken this once innocent thread, but I think we're probably due for a mass-extinction any decade now.

My money's on a modern plague.
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It wasn't you, Bothersome..... I was the one who apparently derailed the thread for the darker. My apologies to the rest of the crew.
 
Why is it when some people (usually liberals) look back on the past, the see that bad, and assume people who miss those days miss those evils?
-Mabus

Evil - exists: yesterday, today, and tomorrow...

Your question is also fallacious; most or all people have a memory that is worthy of elation and remembrance - at any age and persona.
 
Why is it when some people (usually liberals) look back on the past, the see that bad, and assume people who miss those days miss those evils?

Why is it when some people stomp into a thread, they have to make it about politics no matter what the subject actually is?
 
You sir, are a man of refined tastes. If you have not looked into the Big Band sound of the 1930s and 1940s, do so without delay. I suspect you will enjoy it. I can offer more specific suggestions if you like. 🙂

I would love some specific examples, thanks. I'm always eager to try out some music. I have listened to some big band before and liked it. Could you point me in the way of some specific recordings I could check out?
 
Why is it when some people stomp into a thread, they have to make it about politics no matter what the subject actually is?

People mistake the media of a time period as representative of it; I love the Beach Boys and James Cagney as much as the next man but I sure do enjoy modern medicine, blacks having the right to vote and homosexuals not having to cower in fear from lynch mobs even more.

...also, read all the other words I wrote......movies, food, music, etc.

And Jagermeistered, the question isn't fallacious, it's true - there are certain groups who always look back on the past, and only choose to see the evils.

There are others who choose to look at the good.

It's always been a trolling debate, finding the negative to any situation - most Americans wish to take the GOOD things in the past, and wish the future would be like THAT - respect for elders, respect for America, etc. They also wish to take the EVILS of the past, and leave them there! They don't want slavery, racism, homophobia, bigotry, no medical or scientific advances, etc.
People like their heartburn medicine and advanced surgical techniques, and no one is asking to go back to before we had those.

Again, they DO want to go back to when kids didn't curse out their elders, and when parents were 1.) around, and 2.) taught respect.

I also miss quality artwork. I think that's why I like movies so much these days - it's one of the last places where you see good everything - music, artwork, etc.
Look at the craftmanship of many of the props on The Hobbit and Lord Of The Rings movies. Now everything's abstract art. I wish we had more talented people
like the masters of the Renaissance......wow! It's ashamed they don't get more attention.

There are many in the fantasy art realm. Check out the Spectrum Fantasy Art books for the realm of true masters of painting, etc.
 
I would love some specific examples, thanks. I'm always eager to try out some music. I have listened to some big band before and liked it. Could you point me in the way of some specific recordings I could check out?

Shoot him a PM in case he misses your post. Mr. Bugman, is a wonderful poster and contributor. 🙂
 
...also, read all the other words I wrote......movies, food, music, etc.

And Jagermeistered, the question isn't fallacious, it's true - there are certain groups who always look back on the past, and only choose to see the evils.

There are others who choose to look at the good.

It's always been a trolling debate, finding the negative to any situation - most Americans wish to take the GOOD things in the past, and wish the future would be like THAT - respect for elders, respect for America, etc. They also wish to take the EVILS of the past, and leave them there! They don't want slavery, racism, homophobia, bigotry, no medical or scientific advances, etc.
People like their heartburn medicine and advanced surgical techniques, and no one is asking to go back to before we had those.

Again, they DO want to go back to when kids didn't curse out their elders, and when parents were 1.) around, and 2.) taught respect.

I also miss quality artwork. I think that's why I like movies so much these days - it's one of the last places where you see good everything - music, artwork, etc.
Look at the craftmanship of many of the props on The Hobbit and Lord Of The Rings movies. Now everything's abstract art. I wish we had more talented people
like the masters of the Renaissance......wow! It's ashamed they don't get more attention.

There are many in the fantasy art realm. Check out the Spectrum Fantasy Art books for the realm of true masters of painting, etc.

Did you hold your breath typing this post? It reads subjective and not objective. I am subjective, but I love air thru the nostrils and out the mouth.
 
As a fifties baby, I grew up in the shadow of the Cold War. We grew up knowing that at any moment, much of humanity could be snuffed out in a nuclear war (that danger has not completely passed). It almost happened with the Cuban Missile crisis in 1962, and a couple of times in the seventies and eighties because of a computer malfunction. There was the seemingly endless Vietnam war. Pollution was making our water undrinkable and our air unbreathable. Ultimately solutions were found for those and other serious issues, not necessarily ideal ones but adequate ones.

I don't doubt that there are some pretty dark clouds on the horizon. Just the same, and without meaning to be a Pollyanna, I think we still have a chance, if only we and our leaders don't blow it.

Back to the original topic, I love the country, blues and folk music of the 1920s and 30s. I even have an old turntable that does a respectable job of playing original records from that period (though I mostly rely on vinyl and CD reissues).
 
I personally can't get into the music today. I can imagine how I sometimes got on my parents nerves listening to Elvis and other Rock & Roll Songs.

A couple of years ago The Beach Boys drew a really big crowd in New York City playing a free concert on Good Morning America.
 
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