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Conflict and the Tickling "Community"

TicklingDuo

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In light of some of the recent tensions within the TMF (and the tickling community in general), I've been thinking lately about who we are and what brings us together. I thought I'd share some of those thoughts here. If it helps anyone to be a bit more comfortable with things, wonderful. If not? Hey! At least I gave it a shot! 😉

First of all...What IS a community. Simply put, it's a group of people who share something in common. It can be anything from where they live, to a set of beliefs...to being tickle lovers like us. By that definition, we here at the TMF are a community.

One of the first things that you see when you look at who's here on the TMF is the fact that people are not only from across the country, but also from around the world. We're different ages...the oldest I've seen being 72, the youngest 18 (and possibly a few who cheat and lie about their age) and every age in between. As seen in many of the threads in general discussion, we come from a variety of cultural, religious and political backgrounds. We're straight, gay, lesbian and bisexual. We have different types of jobs and hobbies. And that's just those who've registered and made themselves known!

In fact, for many of us, the ONLY thing we have in common is our mutual love of tickling. (Actually, even that isn't 100%. We've had a few who've come along to try to understand a partner's desire to incorporate tickling into their play.) But, even that mutual point has many differences. We enjoy a variety of play styles. Some use bondage while others don't. Some only play with their spouse or SO while others play with a number of people. For some, tickling is totally sexual, while for others it can sometimes be or always is simply playful. Some like it rough while others enjoy a more teasing and sensual touch. Some like to involve overt sexual play with tickling play while others enjoy the tickling on its own. Some enjoy playing with members of the same sex while others prefer the opposite sex or enjoy both. We're interested in gatherings or not interested in them. Some are still in the closet, others wear their kink on their sleeve and still others are somewhere in between.

The who, where, when, why and how of each individual's preference is largely based on their background outside of the tickling community. We can't help but bring our normal "vanilla" life attitudes and beliefs into our play. For some, it's a real struggle to balance/reconcile the two. But, we all do it to varying degrees. If we hadn't done it at least a little, we wouldn't be here...even those who've never registered and choose to simply read other's thoughts. Given these varieties in our backgrounds, it's no wonder that we can get into disagreements...sometimes heated ones.

Everyone has their own style. None of us has the right to force our styles and attitudes upon another...in ANY way. I personally don't have any interest in some of the types of play I've heard mentioned here in the past. But, barring dangerous/illegal activity, I accept the fact that others DO have an interest and enjoy it. As long as they're within the law and recognized safety limits, I have no more right to question another's styles than they do to question mine. If I want to be respected, I need to show that same respect to others.

Unless someone presents a potential danger to others, it's fine that we all play differently. It's only when we know of a possible danger that we have a right to question. Then, it's our responsibility to do something about it...first in addressing the issue to that person and (if that fails to bring change) then to the community at large. In doing so, we need to at least try to keep things civil.

Obviously, someone being publicly challenged (esp. if they couldn't recognize the need when challenged in private) will be upset and may respond harshly. That's human nature and to be expected. The main struggle is to keep things as civil and constructive as possible. The point of "going public" should be to allow others to join in and help the person to see beyond the blind spot that may be present. It doesn't mean that person is bad or can never be trusted, just that they have something to look at more closely.

I've seen many cases, here and elsewhere, where people have very heated disagreements. They may even get somewhat violent. But, that doesn't mean that they will always be on opposite sides or be enemies. But, life goes on. Those involved in a dispute may well reconcile their differences and move on...some even as friends.

Again, this is human nature and a part of ANY community. We need to avoid thinking that we're any different in that respect. I've been involved in several religious groups over the years where people fight more than we do here! As with issues of our sexuality, it's very emotional and cuts to the depths of who we are. When we've struggled to accept something in ourselves, it's only natural to be offended or angry when someone else seems to question the validity of who we are by calling to question a part of what we do that is so integral to that. It's no wonder that we fight when such integral parts of us are in question.

In the end, we'll survive. We'll move on. And, hopefully, we'll ALL be better for it.

But, that's just my 2 cents. Feel free to add yours.

Ann
 
AND

So long as you people realize I'm right, we'll all get along just fuckadandyidlyocious.


Tron
 
"recent tensions" in the community?😀

I've been lurking for over 12 years, since the days CompuServe was nothing but a dial-up text-based BBS, and one thing's always been a constant in this "community". Tension.
 
Cyclic said:
"recent tensions" in the community?😀

I've been lurking for over 12 years, since the days CompuServe was nothing but a dial-up text-based BBS, and one thing's always been a constant in this "community". Tension.

I recognize that these have been present from the beginning. I was refering more to the more recent flood of stuff....between disagreements on how to play, why to go/not go to war, etc. It just seems there's been more lately.

As for Tron...right as in right hand? of course I recognize that! 😛

Ann
 
Tensions

If this was your two cents worth, Ann, you certainly got your money's worth. Your post pretty much says it all, in my opinion.

One of your key statements,"...for many of us, the ONLY thing we have in common is our mutual love of tickling" really addresses the why of some of the disagreements registered here. Beyond that, the age differences, the cultural diversity, and the overall scatter of personal preferences seems to come into play as we interact.

As Ann also said, "Given these varieties in our backgrounds, it's no wonder that we can get into disagreements...sometimes heated ones." This is especially true when we deal with interests, like tickling, about which many of us have very strong feelings. While some regard tickling as a 'favorite sport', others pursue it with a degree of fervor similar to what many reserve for religion. To those whose feelings are this strong, this fundamental, it is often difficult for them to realize that their position or stance sometimes infuriates others who have equally strong but different beliefs.

Just as it is with other aspects of life, there will always be those who seem narrow minded, arrogant, stubborn, self-righteous, antagonistic, and many of the other 'negatives' that we associate with human behavior. These people will be with us persistently, here within the TMF, same as they are elsewhere. How we react to them will be a major factor in determining how much "enjoyment" the rest of us get from our future involvement in this forum. When dealing with those who tend to rub us the wrong way, perhaps it is worthwhile to recall something called Hanlon's Razor: "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."

Really, the only thing Ann said that I might be inclined to modify slightly is: In the end, the tickling community will survive, whether we as individual members stay a part of it or leave because of some disagreement. All we can hope for is that the evolution of the collective attitude within this community continues in a direction that is agreeable to the majority, rather than in directions favored only by those who shout the loudest.
 
The impression I've gotten in this place is that a sizeable number here don't interact with other humans very well in their everyday lives; hence the frustration boil-overs. Just like anywhere else on the net.
TMF does a pretty good job of policing itself, especially when many people here seem incapable at times of conducting themselves in a civilized manner. We all get mad...it is indicative of our characters as to how we deal with what presses our buttons. When things threaten to run amok, we have a good foundation for keeping things under control here. If you can't function within this existing framework here, then...there's not much that can be done.
 
Knox The Hatter said:
The impression I've gotten in this place is that a sizeable number here don't interact with other humans very well in their everyday lives; hence the frustration boil-overs. Just like anywhere else on the net.
TMF does a pretty good job of policing itself, especially when many people here seem incapable at times of conducting themselves in a civilized manner. We all get mad...it is indicative of our characters as to how we deal with what presses our buttons. When things threaten to run amok, we have a good foundation for keeping things under control here. If you can't function within this existing framework here, then...there's not much that can be done.

I've noticed a lot of people here who have either very low self esteem problems, or dysfucnctional social lives. I have to say that these people tend to not be among the well-known members here. (Myself being an obvious exception. 😛) I think the internet is a grand place to practice social skills if you havn't got the confidence to try them in a r/l setting.
Though I'm handsome, witty, gorgeous, athletic, charismatic and a compulsive liar...even I have learned a lot of things about social interaction here. Not least about how to gradually introduce tickling into a social setting until it's almost an everyday occurence. ( :devil: )

I think the TMF has been more "volatile" of late Ann, is because r/l is too. The times are volatile and flaming abounds everywhere. Given the circumstances, I think the TMF handles it pretty well though.
I luv ya guys! 😛
 
BigJim said:
I think the TMF has been more "volatile" of late Ann, is because r/l is too. The times are volatile and flaming abounds everywhere. Given the circumstances, I think the TMF handles it pretty well though.
I luv ya guys! 😛

I agree Jim. Life has a way of showing itself here...as it does everywhere. I think the trick we may need to learn is to not take things quite so seriously...or personally. We also need to start accepting that we aren't going to agree on things and don't always need to. We just need to respect one another.

Ann
 
Great post, Ann. Bravo, indeed! I think the key lies in the understanding of the diversity Ann mentions. It's not just diversity in gender orientation preference, but far reaching cultural diversities as well. We are more different then we think we are.

Here is what I believe to be one reason why there is so much conflict between individuals, cultures, and communities. When a belief is strongly held by an individual, community, or culture, the tendancy is to treat the belief as fact and assume that it's plain and obvious to anybody reasonable. Anybody not subscribing to the belief is therefore unreasonable, and deserving of punishment, be it flames, war, expulsion, banishment, whatever. On both individual and community levels, maturity can be measured in some degree by the ability (or inability) to differentiate between facts and beliefs, and to a greater degree by the ability to express beliefs in a manner that leaves room for differing opinions rather than expressing them with absolute rigidity, precluding any contrary rebuttals.

I believe our community like any other is in the maturing process. We've come a long way but still have a long way to go.

Just another opinion. 🙂
 
I've always found it amazing that such a happy fetish would attract
so many mean and hostile people..Go figure
 
drew70 said:
On both individual and community levels, maturity can be measured in some degree by the ability (or inability) to differentiate between facts and beliefs, and to a greater degree by the ability to express beliefs in a manner that leaves room for differing opinions rather than expressing them with absolute rigidity, precluding any contrary rebuttals.

I believe our community like any other is in the maturing process. We've come a long way but still have a long way to go.

Just another opinion. 🙂


Hell yeah. BTW Drew, did you know you just broke my record for longest ever sentence in a TMF post? 😀
 
That's great, Jim. Well, I guess I can take the rest of the summer off, then.
 
HisDivineShadow said:
Psst, BigJim: Is this the guy you told me had already taken over the TMF?

Eh? Whatcha mean? 😕 I vaguely remember mentioning that, but it was a joke about ME taking it over.
 
I just wanted to add my $.02 to this thread.

Our community is a small incremental slice of society. In society there are sometimes conflicts.

As much as we would like to think that we would all get along just fine that would seem foreign to most of us. We all have daily conflicts. That terrible driver on the road, or that noisy kid driving by with his radio blasting, or the traffic! We can have disagreements with our loved ones, friends, coworkers and we get through it. All those things a part of life.

Why would this community be any different?

Some couples have met and for whatever reason it didn't work out. Other couples have met and it did work out! And even more people aren't interested in any relationship, they just want to meet like-minded folks who understand.

The recent upsets in this community just prove that we are all real people with real ideas and real conflicts. Although sometimes there are hurt feelings left behind, hopefully everyone will learn from the interaction and grow from it. We all seek to better ourselves in so many different ways and conflict is a way to work things out.

So don't fret. It's just life.

Jan
 
BigJim said:


Eh? Whatcha mean? 😕 I vaguely remember mentioning that, but it was a joke about ME taking it over.

Ahh, I see.

And so as not to hijack the thread, I agree completely with QB. This is a sample of normal society, and in every society except one where breathing out of sync is a death penalty offense, conflict occurs. Expecting everybody at the TMF to be complete and perfect angels is like asking the Moon to grow legs, dress in a kilt, and do a traditional Scottish Jig at Madison Square Gardens. It just ain't happinin'.
 
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