Consciousness vs. subconsciousness

[sadi]

I don't know if any of you here could give me a more clear answer (or just bug me like usual 🙄) or... what :huh - :lol

Anywho, generally when I'm awake, my 'ideas' tend to take pleasure in how I would tease and tickle the bejeezus out of any(/every) guy, girl or simply whoever stumbled into my consciousness. :evil:
- But whenever I'm asleep, my dreams have seemed to turn more and more frequently into tickling dreams: and Now I'm the tickler! 🙁 This of course has it's pros and cons but, not only have my dreams included - or focussed - on tickling, with me being the victim increasingly so, but they've also increased exponentially in intensity!
I mean sometimes I'm screaming because the tickling (in whatever method it's chosen in my dream) is so intense. And usually when I return to the 'real-world' it's because the ticklish sensations are just too strong! and whatever was happening to me moments before in the dream lingers in my mind for most of that day, with my conscious brain usually turning it around so it plays out with me somehow getting the upper-hand and teaching 'so-and-so dream person' a ticklish lesson. :evil:

After this too too long preamble, I'm curious as to the reason why my dreams have turned on me, and tend almost always have me as the 'reluctant' - to put it mildly - ticklee and also drastically increased in, sensation, I guess is how to explain it...? :huh It's just that 'now' whenever I tend to be in a dream, particularly a 'ticklish' dream in whatever situation, it feels SO much more realistic, with the sensations feeling 'tens of times' more intense, like how they would in reality. And I'm curious for your input as to possible reasons why these changes may have happened, only really coming out in my dreams versus my waking brain?

 

[Sss_sushi]

I cant answer ur question, but I can say that intense 'lee dream sensations stemmed from my blanket or pillow tickling me in my sleep.

About a year ago, I dreamed a girl was tickling my neck so intensely that I dropped to the ground and begged and begged. I woke up and the tip of my pillow was stroking my neck. Even after a few minutes I was paralyzed and shivered from the sensation:lol

Is something tickling u when u wake up?

 

[sadi]

Well, to my knowledge no nothing is touching me in an 'odd' way (my blankets are were they should be, and I'm laying on a pillow as I went to sleep normally), but thanks for that possible suggestion. :happy:

 

[juggernaut]

It's pretty obvious.


You want me.

 

[Frost King]

Well, maybe its because you like being the ler so much and torturing your lees that your mind is wondering what its like to be the ticklish victim lol i guess.

 

[Duke Diablo]

Well, from what I can see, subconsciously, you are getting in touch with your sexuality more and more, and your subconsciousness is making up for the lack of 'leeish fantasies. I'd say that you are really a switch, so your subconsciousness is making up for what you lack in consciousness. 🙂

 

[MrTicklefeet1]

Some of these answers make sense, but the ultimate answer has to come from within you. That's where them dreams are coming from.
Fascinating. I obsess with tickling fantasies during the day like you do, but tickling never enters my dreams. Once in a blue moon, I'll see a gal with her bare feet propped up, soles on display, and I just stand there and soak in the beauty and wonderment of wanting to be closer to them, like real life, but as in real life, she's usually oblivious to me noticing her. It sucks.

 

[sadi]

🙄 Because I'm having 'leeish' dreams I want you, because I'm going to run away to see so-and-so I want you, because my ears itch I want you. 🙄 Pretty pathetic - and blatantly incorrect - reasoning, Nerrad... >_<

And, that is a possibility Arson, but let's say I was a sociopathic murderer; if so, I don't think I'd be having dreams of slowly being shoved into a meat grinder - or some other equally erratic method of homicide, 'just to see what the experience could feel like'.

Thus far, I think you're answer sounds the most accurate at least (though that is met with a questionable feeling of gladness and denial :umm: ...). And as for experiencing more 'leeish' instances, in one aspect or another, I think you fill that void pretty well *whether I like it or not :cross:* don't you? 🙄

Also very interesting Mr. ... For years I'd obsess over tickling people I saw in various 'ticklish' situations but have still never acted on them (really :blush), but with this recent change, I feel it has mainly been due to the fact that I've been getting 'involved' (through internet or reality [has yet to happen... :unsure]) in 'lee scenarios. Maybe this is the transfer of real life 'situations' (imagined or whatever - quiet! >_<) trickling into my subconscious? Very interesting trail of thought with how you're talking Mr.Feet. :stickout

- And I thank all of you who have replied - whether just to be your stupid selves, or reply more seriously. :ggrin:

 

[ElFewja]

For clarification, you're primarily a ler, or at least imagine yourself as one?

How do you feel about being a lee? Have you ever been a lee before? Do you typically want to be tickled, or do you only want to dish it out?

Do you find yourself as driven by power; that tickling is a sort of controlling mechanicism? Do you ever want to be controlled - to feel helpless?

I think that you are going to have more answers for yourself than anyone else would be able to provide, but without a thorough insight into your personality I can't really help you out. I don't know how you feel about this or that, you know? Further, this is only relevant things; things that I see as directly relevant, whereas there may be something I'm not thinking of at all that could be affecting you (You have a cat and this is related somehow? I wouldn't normally make this connection; working primarily from tickling ler/lee at the moment).

If we get into an elaborate discussion you may say or think things that become relevant to you, or at least things you think are important. That's typically how it works. I don't know dreams, but I do know how to draw information out of someone (oh man that sounds so hot out of context). I have heard that dreams are used to process information, but there is also a physical element to it (for example, my knee has been bothering me for about a year, and I'm now having dreams where my knee is in a massive amount of pain - that I'm just lying in bed, feeling this massive amount of pain. Definitely influenced, you know?).

The best thing that I can recommend is taking up meditation until you're comfortable with it, and then meditating on the the ideas based within your dreams (you as a lee), and seeing what pops up. You'll probably find an answer.

As for the intensity... sensation comes from nerve endings telling the brain what it feels. If you imagine you're feeling more pain than you are, though, your brain might think that, and you will, as a result, feel more pain. Thus can moods affect ticklishness; if you're in a sour mood or angry, you're probably less prone to being ticklish. But your brain is ignoring everything else in this situation, allowing you to think you're feeling a ticklishness far beyond what is physically possible by your or any human body. So, it's telling you you're that ticklish, so you are. If that explains it? I'm also not a doctor, but I think that that's how it works?

Hit me up in pm's if you want to go more into detail about anything; I feel that I don't have enough information to answer your questions properly and don't know where to begin, really. But knowing how you stand as a ler/lee is a good start.

Etc~

 

[sadi]

Well upon some of elfewja29's suggetions/questions, I think the reason I'm having said 'leeish' dreams is likely the most similar, correct to Diablo's statements.

On the note of their severity, first off: as intense as the sensations may seem in my dreams I believe it far pales in comparison to if I felt anything in reality, though, but I vividly recall a dream I had only a month and a bit after my accident (less than two months I'm pretty sure) where a particular singer from Mudvayne sat on my legs in the hospital bed and started tickling my stomach (not on my scar that was still apparent in my dream, even :umm🙂 and the feelings were SO intense I was positive I was going to wake up any moment: but, he kept on tickling me, and so I grabbed the handrails (that were still on the bed, to keep me from falling off) to try to slip out from under his grasp.
Anyways, I can still recall having intense/extreme ticklish sensations before I even cameON to this site (and so opened the tickling monster :stickout). And this, I strongly believe, is due to the traumatic brain injury that I endured. And one byproduct of sustaining a brain injury (mild or catastrophic <- mine was the latter), the filter in your frontal lobe is either extremely lessened or eliminated all together (which some people seem to be lacking even without a brain injury 😉). So I deem my more 'intense' dreams due to the fact of me having a brain injury, as, even more so now, everything's inhibited in a dream (and so intense in giving or receiving).

Thank you for bringing this idea to mind, Elfewja, and everyone else who seriously contributed. :happy:

 

[MrTicklefeet1]

Not having experiences does seem to make sense. Maybe your dreams are trying to push you for a real experience. Desire vs. frustration. I've been having tickling sessions after my divorce, so maybe I'm not dreaming about it as I'm doing something about it in the real world.
Shoot. I'd love to have dreams like yours.

 

[juggernaut]

I'm sticking with my theory. The rest of this sounds like bs.

 

[Carnivore]

Very interesting. If I understand correctly, you're having extremely vivid dreams (vividness provided by brain trauma) of being a lee. As a result, as Diablo suggested, you may have some lee tendencies. If anything, I'd say it'd be best to enjoy your vivid lee dreams. If you really hate it, that sucks, but if you're a switch, then you should enjoy it, and enjoy that it provokes you to flip the dream/fantasy around so you're the ler in the waking hours.

I think very few of us get to experience vivid dreams. I only recall my dreams a couple times a year, and I can only remember two 'vivid' dreams of the type you describe (one a nightmare *shudder* and another a 'sexy' dream *eyes glaze over for a second*). I envy you for having such vivid dreams, and if I'm interpreting you correctly, I'd celebrate what you have. After all, its better than repressing those dreams and feel annoyed all the time for having them.

 

[ElFewja]

Obviously we need to make this ler into a lee.

Quick, grab the rope!

Etc~

 

[Inverse]

*Sighs* I didn't expect to feel this way upon reading this thread.

I've been having dreams as of late, dreams I haven't had since I was younger. Typically dreams of being tickled in various ways, usually very inescapable and in situations that bring a sort of terror to me. They are almost never realistic, and vary from time to time.

It's rare, but when they occur they tend to leave me shaken. Despite my fetish, they remind me of a time where tickling in general wasn't really much of a pleasure for me. However I crave these dreams at times, and when they happen they leave me kind of feeling a sort of sense of shame, anticipation of it happening again. It lingers.

Mainly, I am a 'ler. I've been more of a dominant individual my whole life sexually. I like to cause tickling. I like to have someone laugh at my fingers, lose themselves. I know how it feels. I see the sensation beneath my fingers. I see the desperation in their eyes. I know they'll survive, so I don't desire to go easy on them~ as long as I've developed a trust with them.

So these dreams have in a way, felt like an odd form of revenge for my cravings. I haven't tickled someone that way in a very, very long time. Most of my current friends aren't even aware of my fetish. I've crossed from one life into another and all it cost me was an enlistment to serve. This being done with, I'm left with barely an outlet.

So my dreams are filled with ticklish poison. Shadows that bare my body in contorted ways and imagery and torture my skin with a level of intensity I find impossible to endure. Waking from these dreams are difficult at times. So much so I have been looking at sleep paralysis and possible sleep walking as additional factors but I don't recall being awake in these dreams. If I have walked I am not too aware of it.

I guess if I'm to be speaking of this, I should mention that yes, I was tickled as a child mainly for punishment. It's not a big deal, it could have been worse. But it did establish to me that tickling was a form of power and whenever I tickled anyone it would be with that same intensity. This desire to inflict pain through laughter that I knew very well they would survive. I felt justified. It wasn't like hitting someone, it wasn't hurting them. I wasn't wrong for doing it.

These dreams should be leaving me with a sense of bliss. I used to enjoy nightmares, they made me feel like I was being entertained with my own imaginary shadows. My own horror story. Yet this tickling~ it's not something I would call pleasurable. Physically, yes, it can be. I like to be tickled. I just don't enjoy this odd sensation of fear and shame that follows it.

I'm in my mid 20's. I've long accepted my tickling fetish as a reality. I'm not ashamed of it. I can tickle anyone and be tickled without fear. I don't have repressed flashbacks to ticklish cruelty done to me, so... I just don't know. Don't really understand it.

Anyway I know this thread isn't exactly the same as what I experienced, but~ I do wonder why would I suffer these events when I otherwise would prefer my dreams be focused on inflicting rather than being the victim of tear inducing panic. Maybe I shouldn't think too much on it...