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Cuba and Terrorism

Biggles of 266

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In reference to something Biscuit said in another thread, this is for discussing the possible evil intentions of that world power, Cuba.



From www.TerrorismAnswers.com



Does Cuba support terrorism?

The U.S. government says yes, but many experts are skeptical. The State Department placed Cuba on its list of states that sponsor terrorism in 1982, citing Fidel Castro's training and arming of communist rebels in Africa and Latin America. But intelligence experts have been hard pressed to find evidence that Cuba currently provides weapons or military training to terrorist groups. In 1998, a comprehensive review by the U.S. intelligence community concluded that Cuba does not pose a threat to U.S. national security, which implies that Cuba no longer sponsors terrorism.


Why does the United States list Cuba as a state sponsor of terrorism?

U.S. government sources offer three reasons:
Cuba is providing safe haven to eight Americans who face criminal charges in the United States. The United States and Cuba have let their pre-1959 extradition treaty lapse, and recent U.S. ideas about updating the treaty have been scuttled by pressure from anti-Castro Cuban-American members of Congress.
Since the late 1980s, Cuba has given sanctuary to up to 20 members of the Basque terrorist group ETA under an arrangement between former Spanish Prime Minister Felipe Gonzalez and Cuban President Fidel Castro. The current Spanish government has not asked to have them extradited.
The State Department says that Colombia's two leftist rebel groups—the National Liberation Army (ELN) and the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC), both of which regularly carry out acts of terrorism—maintain a “permanent presence” in Cuba. But experts agree that the Castro government ceased arming or training the former group in 1991 and never gave military support to the latter. The Colombian government, the United Nations, and the European Union all say that Cuba has played a useful role in advancing peace talks with the rebels. Moreover, both rebel groups also have offices in many other Latin American capitals and in many European capitals.


Does Cuba have weapons of mass destruction?

In May 2002, Undersecretary of State John Bolton accused Cuba of having a limited biological weapons program and selling dual-use biotechnology to rogue states. Bolton did not name the states in question but noted that Cuba visited Iran, Libya, and Syria last year. But some experts doubt that Cuba’s sophisticated pharmaceutical industry has been turned to biowarfare.


Does Cuba have ties to states that sponsor terrorism?

Yes, but we don’t know how closely they cooperate. In 2001, Castro visited Iran, Libya, and Syria, but other than a commitment to ongoing trade and plans for some public health exchanges, which were announced during Castro’s visits, we know very little about these countries’ dealings with Cuban intelligence or other ties. Cuba also has diplomatic ties with North Korea and nominal ties with Iraq. During his visit to Iran, Castro said, “Iran and Cuba, in cooperation with each other, can bring America to its knees.”


How did Cuba react to the September 11 attacks?

Within hours of the attacks, Cuba offered medical assistance to the victims and opened Cuban airports to U.S. commercial planes diverted because of the crisis. That night, Castro condemned terrorism on national television. In subsequent weeks, the Cuban government signed all 12 U.N.-sanctioned international anti-terrorism treaties.
At the same time, Cuban officials also used the opportunity to repeatedly complain about Cuba's own experience as a victim of what it calls “U.S.-sponsored terrorism,” including attacks by U.S.-backed anti-Castro groups. The complaints went over poorly in Washington, where they were viewed as evidence of Cuba's waffling commitment to fighting terrorism.


Has Cuba been in contact with U.S. intelligence since September 11?

Yes. Notwithstanding Cuba's presence on the terrorist list, experts say that U.S. and Cuban officials have held low-level talks aimed at getting Cuban help in collecting intelligence and identifying fugitives from Osama bin Laden's al-Qaeda terrorist network. But these discussions have reportedly yielded few results, and counterterrorism experts say communist Cuba knows little about the Islamist groups behind the September 11 attacks.


How did Cuba react to the U.S.-led war in Afghanistan?

Cuban rhetoric became more hostile after the U.S. bombing in Afghanistan began, although it continued to condemn terrorism. “It would seem that this war has targeted children, the civilian population and the International Red Cross hospitals and facilities as enemies,” Cuba's foreign minister said in a November 2001 speech at the United Nations.


I found another website, but it's way too long to copy here. Try here.

Any thoughts on anything above?

Biggles
 
i dont agree with the entire cuban government but it is and was a serious victim of US imperialism under batista and with the blockade. the terrorists in latin america were not the rebels they were the governments and the dictators, just check any human rights or church reports and look over the statistics. people only rebel like that when it becomes absolutley necessary.

cuba has one of the best healthcare systems in the world and has thousands of doctors working around the world for free. and compared to the oppression the us brought to latin america cuba is hands down the freest for its citizens, and has one of the best living standars in latin and south america
 
cuba has one of the best healthcare systems in the world and has thousands of doctors working around the world for free. and compared to the oppression the us brought to latin america cuba is hands down the freest for its citizens, and has one of the best living standars in latin and south america


How very true that is.............Welcome to the forum August your input is very much welcome.
 
Maybe so, august, but I still wouldn't want to live there. 😛

I didn't know a lot of that stuff about Cuba. Thanks for the info on it, Biggles! 🙂
 
no one is asking u to live there, just stop blocking medicine, such as the anti nuseua medicine used to treat child chemo patients(yes its blocked) and give americans the freedom to travel there. two things not supported by this government
 
Howdy. Welcome to the Forum!

august spies said:

i dont agree with the entire cuban government but it is and was a serious victim of US imperialism under batista and with the blockade.


By "US Imperialism" I assume you mean investments by US companies. The US Government's relations with Batista soured after his second coup, in 1952. Thereafter, he was mostly supported by notorious American gangsters Meyer Lansky and Charles "Lucky" Luciano (and their "business" associates), who built several casinos in Havanna. Not exactly official assistance from the USA...

The blockade is a Cold-War holdover, and will end as soon as US-Cuban relations improve. I'm sure that won't happen until after Castro kicks the bucket, though...

august spies said:

the terrorists in latin america were not the rebels they were the governments and the dictators, just check any human rights or church reports and look over the statistics. people only rebel like that when it becomes absolutley necessary.


That's sort of true... but in most instances, the "rebels" simply replaced the current dictator with a dictator of their own. It's a common cycle in the third world, idealistic people put one of their own in charge... only to find that he's just as bad as whomever he replaced. Human nature sucks.



august spies said:

cuba has one of the best healthcare systems in the world and has thousands of doctors working around the world for free.


Yup. They're the class of the Third World, all right... but that dosen't place them in a league with most modern industrialized nations. They have lots of doctors (1 per 500 people), and they do exceptionally well with what they have to work with... But it's not all that great.


august spies said:

and compared to the oppression the us brought to latin america cuba is hands down the freest for its citizens, and has one of the best living standars in latin and south america


What "oppression?" That's a blanket generalization, and whatever harm we've caused, don't forget that we've also done plenty to HELP people in lots of those nations.

As for Cuba being "free," well, Amnesty International certainly dosen't think so...

http://www.web.amnesty.org/web/ar2001.nsf/webamrcountries/CUBA?OpenDocument


As for their living standards... You can't be serious, can you? Their people live in hovels, in many cases without electricity. Familys open tiny restaurants in their homes in Havanna, just to take in the few dollars (or equivalent) in hard foriegn currency that it takes to maintain their poverty-stricken lifestyle... Look at Havanna once, and then look at a South American city like Rio de Janiero. You'll see what I mean.
 
Cuba,the jewel of the Western hemisphere,best living standards in Latin America,where trained nurses turn to prostitution to make ends meet and HIV victims are put away in compounds for the rest of their lives....mandatory.

Ever wonder why there are so many trying to escape such splendor,many
dying on the process,to come here to such an evil,oppressive place?
Cuba is not chaing them away,but doing everything they can to keep them.Strange conduct for paradise.

During Clinton's administration,a plane with US citizens tried to help Cuban "visitors" escape their splendor,and were shot down in international waters for their effort.There was just another such incident,but this time the US scrambled a couple F-15s and the plane full of happy islanders arrived in the hell that is the US.
 
shark said:
There was just another such incident,but this time the US scrambled a couple F-15s and the plane full of happy islanders arrived in the hell that is the US.



And yea shall ring forth the cry from the peanut gallery...

[sarcasm][whining]"What a heinous example of imperialist American disrespect for Cuba's sovreignty! Those F-16's kidnapped an entire plane of happy, well-to-do socialists and deposited them against their will in the hellacious facist empire of the United States! I know this for sure, 'cuz I listen to lots of "Rage Against the Machine," and stuff..." [/whining][/sarcasm]


😛
 
Biggles of 266 said:
In reference to something Biscuit said in another thread, this is for discussing the possible evil intentions of that world power, Cuba.

I'm new here.
Hi.

I've been reading posts for a while now and I haven't been moved to comment on anything until now.

It isn't the topic at hand as much as it is Biggles posting of yet another thread that points out flaws in America. I rarely see him do this with any other country. It's upsetting to me that a tickling board seems to be the place to politely, yet very effectively, show such disrespect for a country time and again. Why do you do this Biggles? Let's see you do it with every other major player in the world. Surely, they aren't perfect either?

Some valid points are made here, for both sides, but it seems like this is just another snide commentary on the USA. Let's pick on Italy next time. Maybe France? How about Japan? Iceland? Russia? Norway? Argentina? Anyone else? Okay?

It's not personal Biggles, it's just that you seem to have MAJOR issues about the US and your multiple posts like this don't turn hearts.

I tried to make this as polite as I could.
Thanks for reading and I hope I didn't color myself hateful for future posts.

F.G.
 
National 'Pick On Me Politely' Week

Fairy Giggles said:
It isn't the topic at hand as much as it is Biggles posting of yet another thread that points out flaws in America. I rarely see him do this with any other country. It's upsetting to me that a tickling board seems to be the place to politely, yet very effectively, show such disrespect for a country time and again. Why do you do this Biggles? Let's see you do it with every other major player in the world. Surely, they aren't perfect either?

Some valid points are made here, for both sides, but it seems like this is just another snide commentary on the USA. Let's pick on Italy next time. Maybe France? How about Japan? Iceland? Russia? Norway? Argentina? Anyone else? Okay?

It's not personal Biggles, it's just that you seem to have MAJOR issues about the US and your multiple posts like this don't turn hearts.

I tried to make this as polite as I could.
Thanks for reading and I hope I didn't color myself hateful for future posts.

Hi Fairy, nice to seeya. Most new people on here just seem to register for the chatroom and ignore the veritable treasure-trove of wit and wisdom over here in General Discussion.

To answer your thread:

First off, I didn't think this thread was anti-american. I dunno if you read it or not, but in the "Anti-American Politics in America" thread, Biscuit said something about Cuba supporting terrorism. I replied saying I didn't know anything about that, and was invited to do some research on the net. This I did, and I found a site (presumably American, but I'm not sure) that discusses the terrorist capability of Cuba. This site said they're not as big a threat as some other countries, etc etc... I thought the information that site gave was actually fairly balanced, not favouring one side over the other.

"Yet another thread that points out flaws in America," really? Which other ones are anti-american? I've posted anti-war, anti-Bush, anti-politics in general, lots of stuff, but not anti-american. I've got american friends, listen to american bands, hell, I've even seen one or two of the tv shows or movies that you guys make. Please don't bring up anti-americanism again, on a forum with so many americans whose company I enjoy. To me, anti-american is hating everything about the country and everything it stands for. That just ain't me.

ergh, this is gonna be a long post...

I've said this stuff before, but coz you're new it's no worries to repeat it for ya. The only reasons I talk about America so much are because
a) most of the people here are American. Nobody's gonna join a discussion on Maltese politics, or Australian governments (believe me, I tried). and...
b) it's in the news so often. Go through today's paper, even the Australian one that I read (The Sydney Morning Herald), have a look in the World News section and compare the number of stories about the US to, say, Engerland, Nepal, Japan, Trinidad and/or Tobago etc... The United States dominates the news, so what else is there to really read about and discuss?

I'll join in any discussion I can, as you may have noticed. I love/hate politics, so I especially enjoy posting about them. If I can't talk about my government, I'm stuck talking about someone elses, just so I can have a conversation. If you have issues with the government in Australia, lemme have it. I'm probably as annoyed about it as anyone on here.

I can talk about Japan if you want. I have family living there and I try to keep up with what's happening. However, see how quickly a thread about Junichiro Koizumi dies, compared to one about Bush.

I don't got major issues with the US as a nation and as a people. I don't like their leader, but hey, millions of people dislike him a lot more than I do.

I'm sorry that I created such a bad impression on you, and anyone else reading who thinks I'm a flag-burning jerk who spends all their time yelling about the Great Satan. I'm not. I'm just a guy who likes ta argue politics, and I don't have the gene that tells me when to shaddup and leave the hell alone!

No hard feelings? Mates?

Biggles

(sorry for the rambling nature, tired... sleep now...)
 
No sarcastic subject names thanks.

Point taken on a few statements you made, as they are fair.

As for this:
Biggles of 266 said:
"Yet another thread that points out flaws in America," really? Which other ones are anti-american? I've posted anti-war, anti-Bush, anti-politics in general, lots of stuff, but not anti-american....Please don't bring up anti-americanism again, on a forum with so many americans whose company I enjoy.


I call a spade a spade.

When someone posts anti-American-politics-president-national-security or anti-"other stuff" REPEATEDLY, they begin to sound a bit anti-America-In-General. It's very easy to criticize when you've no intent or ability to be a part of a solution. I do not imply that your opinion is not valid. I simply question your need to discuss some things.

I don't know how you would feel if everytime you came to the TMF, you saw someone taking the time to post yet another thread that had a negative bias toward your home, but I don't like it very much. It makes visiting here less enjoyable. I understand it's an open forum, but I don't have to like this particular wave. You may not LABEL it anti-American, but it certainly feels that way to me and possibly others.

You seem to be furthering the idea that many Americans have grown weary of hearing: "America is a big bully that doesn't care about the world, so let's attack it." Average American citizens are not the big-money policy makers that affect the rest of the world. We understand that people in other countries as well as in our own are going to condemn the USA for many things,but it's still our home. We will therefore have to defend issues we do not like in order to defend ourselves as a whole. I think that might clarify my sensitivity on this trend of "What's wrong with America? Add your opinion to the list."

A writer should be aware of his audience. This audience member tires of seeing the multiple variations on the theme of "The Great Satan" being played out here. It's that simple.

In order to remain on thread topic, I will say that until there is a regime change in Cuba, it would not be in our best interest to open that door. No one wants a hungry lion moving into their backyard when before there lived a harmless kitten. I doubt that has any relevance since there are starving babies there. 🙄 We should have America's sick and poor fight Cuba's sick and poor and see who is wins.

At least you like tickling. 😉

I get the feeling I should go back to lurking.

Respectfully,
F.G.
 
opression as in turning el salvador into a nazi bloodbath, launcing a terrorist war against nicaragua, turing guatemla into a nazi bloodbath, turning hondurous, mexico, chile, argentina, brazil into torture chambers consistutes opression.

Now if you read i never said cuba was free, i said compared to what the US did to the rest of the region it was much freer.

as far as living conditions go i stand by it and im right, check any UN report on living conditions and infant mortality. Yes cubas poverty compared to the US is always in the news, but you dont see the poverty of the rest of latin america because we created it.
 
Fairy Giggles

This isn't news....it's biggles' usual crap.
 
august spies said:
i dont agree with the entire cuban government but it is and was a serious victim of US imperialism under batista and with the blockade.

Quite wrong on your facts. During the Spanish-American war the US expelled the Spanish from Cuba. There were several causes of this, one of which was Cuban rebels blowing up the USS Maine to provoke the US into going to war with Spain. If it were not for the US Cuba would be a part of Spain right now rather than it's on nation.
 
I think at this point we need to realize that we cannot trust a country like Cuba.

I mean, whether or not they support terrorism is irrelevant until they make a move that endangers the U.S. or other countries. However, they are fence-jumpers, and do not deserve our trust!

Just my opinion...

😎 ~FT
 
I was only joking about picking on me

Fairy Giggles said:
I don't know how you would feel if everytime you came to the TMF, you saw someone taking the time to post yet another thread that had a negative bias toward your home, but I don't like it very much. It makes visiting here less enjoyable. I understand it's an open forum, but I don't have to like this particular wave. You may not LABEL it anti-American, but it certainly feels that way to me and possibly others.

A writer should be aware of his audience. This audience member tires of seeing the multiple variations on the theme of "The Great Satan" being played out here. It's that simple.

hey FG,
I meant to say in my last post, thankyou very much for being polite in your post. Most people on here don't bother with complete sentences, and barely get past the simple put-down to make their points. Thanks again for the punctuation and grammar! 😀

The points you make are fair enough. However, like I said in my last post, the main reason I post about America is because probably over 80% of the people here come from that country. Who here would honestly join in a discussion on the latest election in Turkey? I posted recently on the biggest anniversary in Australian politics, something that shook the nation and reshaped politics and government for generations to come, something that is still making its impact felt now, and I got... 2 replies. Compared to, say, this post on Cuba and America, which has 15 so far.

Feel free to complain about my government. Post as much as you like. Shark especially, who doesn't seem to like me, go for it. Let us all know how you feel about John Howard's immigration policy, the new leader of the Democrats, how One Nation will go in the next election, and anything else you can find to discuss. I personally would love to log onto the forum one day and see a thread complaining about Australian politics. Go ahead... make my day... 😉

Anyway, thanks again for the decent reply. You're obviously intelligent and not just out to start a fight. If you want to keep this discussion going, perhaps we should start another thread so we don't bore the good men and women of the tmf? Hope to talk to you soon,

Biggles

EDIT BY BIGGLES: forgot we're not supposed to quote large amounts of the previous post 🙄
 
UN reports? Is this the same corrupt,incompetent,self-adoring UN that ceaselessly caters to terrorists and their sympathizers,Marxist regimes,and third world nations of whatever substance?Their own lack of ability and political bias makes their reports questionable,but
believe what you want...you'll do that anyway.

Spare us the shit about our turning South America into a bloodbath.
The warring factions there never had any problems killing each other off.As for our intervention,many of the parties were communist,who are a self-proclaimed enemy.I have NO problem doing something about that. This topic was discussed previously,and the participating parties made their ideas clear.

To add to Kyle's post,the Spanish were also guilty of numerous civil rights violations in their treatment of the Cuban people.Another example of how the US exported the terror of liberty.

Would someone give me a compelling and worthwhile reason why the US should give aid or trade to a state that has sworn they are our enemy,as Castro has done? If they need medicines,they have the labs to develop them.Despite some "scholars" and "experts", there is ample
enough evidence that Cuba has been involved in biological work before. Condemning terrorism? Big deal....that's known as lip service.
 
Biggles

I had to do some thread research before answering your post. Except for a few items in particular,I know very little about Australian politics. It's certainly not enough to comment on.
 
Scroll up to the one where you invited me to comment on Australian politics.
 
Don't worry, Biggles, there have been more than enough bashings against German, French, UK/Irish, EU and UN politics already. Practically every foreigner who dares to disagree with current American politics gets himself and his nation clobbered and muzzled. You're lucky that Australia is so far away and has not yet dared to cross American politics so far... :sowrong:
 
shark is the kind of person who in nazi germany would be goosetepping behind hitler. belives anything the state tells him. "they are the enemy so they can be tortured and killed"

first off you have no idea what living conditions are and were like in latin america. You have no idea of the wealth disaparity, and you have no idea of the history of american intervention.

it had nothing to do with communism or as im assuming you believed reagan when he said that the salvadorian peasents were going to overun north america. it had to to with extracting resources and maintaining us dominence in the region. and thats exactly what happend.

Your precious death squads in el salvador didnt kill armed people, they killed unarmed peopele. same in guatamala and the rest of the region.

and please dont try and act like you care about the people of the region
 
I think August doesn't consider himself (herself?) a liberal because he (she?) is further left than, say, you or I, ShiningIce. Perhaps more of a Socialist, or maybe just anti-authority.

Biggles
 
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