Drugs

[Senshi1]

This got posted at another forum, and it turned out to be a really interesting thread. Therefore, I'll post it here and hope it's equally interesting.

DRUGS!!!!!!

Have you ever taken them? If so, what kind? And were they hard or soft drugs?

What were your experiences with them?

Are they right or wrong?

Do you think they should be legalized?

DISCUSS!!! 😀

 

[TKLVR181]

I think they should be regulated! My mom did drugs when I was a kid and I sorta got neglected---consequencly, I barely touch alcohol, let alone marijuanna. But I'm also not one of those people who say that 'junkies' are bad---I personally believe they're victims

 

[leenotler]

I have mixed feelings. I know some conservatives like William Buckley Jr. want them legalized to a point. He claims the harm from drug lords and drug related street crime outweigh the harm from legalizing it. I think he wanted it treated like a disease rather than a crime, like TKLVR18's view of them as victims.
I almost never drink. Never did any drugs. If other people enjoy and can handle drink or milder drugs, fine, I guess. Yet it's bad if it causes a mom to neglect her kids.

Being tickled has debilitating drug-like effects, maybe I am a junkie. I wonder if lees are a little more prone to drug use.

I saw on TV that in the US, some drugs were originally made illegal to target minorities, like opium to target Chinese, to help get rid of the "unwanted element". That's a sad commentary.

 

[kitzliges_girl]

i think drugs are never good!

 

[jk666uk]

drugs are all right i do them ever weekend

 

[kitzliges_girl]

what do you like on drugs?

 

[Budweiserbob!]

I do drugs...

but only when I'm ill! ^_^

 

[kitzliges_girl]

i don´t know, what so funny is on drugs 🙄

 

[TKLVR181]

I do drugs...

but only when I'm ill! ^_^

ROTFL Good for you! 😀


But seriously, the only drug I've ever tried was alcohol----put me to sleep after one glass of wine. 😀 *anime sweatdrop*

 

[TKLVR181]

ROTFL Nah, you'd hafta buy lotsa imported Chocolates to make up for it ^_^

 

[losfrek]

I don't think there is anything wrong with choosing to use a drug as long as you understand the risks that are involved, and are willing to accept them. With that said, I do think that any substance with well-known addictive tendencies should be used very cautiously, if at all. Of course, the best way to avoid addiction would be to not use at all. But for those who do choose to use, moderation is definitely the key. Too much of a good thing never makes a better thing, and regarding drugs, just how "good" they are is always going to be a debate.

 

[Cbarton]

As a pharmacist, you can guess rather quick what my opinion is on this topic. All drugs can be used for good. All can cause harm. They must be used correctly. And, in my personal AND professional opinion, recreation is not a safe use for drugs.

I find it interesting how people pass off marijuana as "I just do a little pot.." Let me tell you what "just a little pot' can do to a person, other than one joiunt doing as much damage to your lungs as 4 cigarettes...

When I was doing my clincal rotations at the University of Iowa, I spent one month following psych patients in the lock-ups. One of my first patients was a white male in his early 20's. All he did was smoke a little pot. The pusher didn't tell him it was laced with PCP to 'give it a kick' (i.e. make his low quality stuff seem more potent). The guy went nuts with hallucinations. When I talked with him, he claimed he has seen some sort of spirit/demon pull his soul out of his body. When he looked in the mirror, he said it wasn't him he say anymore, but someone/something else. He also suffering from severe muscle spasms that had to be medically treated. 48 hours later, when I spoke with him next, he had NO MEMORY of what he had told me and wanted to know what had happened during that time.

Just a little harmless weed? When it comes to drugs, save it for what it was meant for, healing, not fun and games. You never know what you may actually get. Save the prescribing and dispensing for the professionals. We make it safe for a reason.

 

[MistressValerie1]

Legalised marijuana bought at a pharmacy would not have been laced with PCP.

I support regulating "soft drugs" the same way that alcohol and tobacco are now regulated. Other industrialised democracies like the Netherlands have had great success with that harm-reduction model. I also believe that addiction should be regarded as a medical problem, not a legal problem, and that treatment programs should be made more widely available and less stigmatising.

I just don't buy into the idea that the government always "knows what's best" for everyone or is here to protect people from making voluntary choices about how they want to live. Drug abuse is a real problem, but big-nanny government makes it far worse.

 

[Dussicar]

Let's see. What drugs have I done?

I've taken Advil a couple of times.

I had some tylenol a few times as well.

Once, I even took one Advil and one Tylenol AT THE SAME TIME!!!!!

But I got scared so I didn't do it anymore.

Neo-citran is an upper, right? Or is it a barbituate? I took that a few times. It takes the head cold right out of you. Talk about a rush!!!!!!!!!

Once I had a sip of white wine. Only one though. If you take more than that, I hear that you're going to become an alcoholic. Alcohol is for friggin' losers who kill small children for a fix.

if yu want a cool high, than take some sore throat spray and guzzle it. it will mak yu dizy.

if yu hold yer breth and run aroun in sircls it wil also mak yu dissy.

alcohol isnt to bad if yo moderat. yuo must mak sher that yu dont mix it with oter stuff lik lysol. lysl is bad and for losers hoo dont lik gerls. they lik horses! they like big horses dewees to suk and lik.

drugs ar bad and tu peple dont no wat yur taking abowt. drugs ar not col they kil pepl evry yeer.

if yu se a drug deelr yu call the cops and hav him arested.

im calig the cops on this thred to put yu al in jal!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Hungarian21]

I do drugs...

but only when I'm ill! ^_^

So you're always ill? 😛

I never tried drugs before, except only the bud-types. (Aspirin). Then again, I'm also on medication against hyperthiroidism, so I guess I'm doing druggs.....wow, my mom will kill me! :wooha:

 

[alf1]

Once I had a sip of white wine. Only one though. If you take more than that, I hear that you're going to become an alcoholic

lol now that's funny ^^
even watching the bottle can make you an addict already 😉

 

[Camel26]

I've smoked pot for years...I know the people I get my stuff from...and they always smoke it first and will be able to tell me if it's been laced (all you have to do is light the edge of a bud and if it stays lit for more than a second, it's laced). Yes, it can be recreational. But when you've suffered from chronic back pain since you were 11 and the only thing that stops the pain is smoking a bowl...well, I see no harm in Val's idea. If it's regulated, then people won't get laced stuff. Also, I don't care what anyone says--this stuff saved my friend's life. She was on chemo for breast cancer a few summers ago, and she couldn't keep food down, had no appetite to begin with, and was in enough pain she couldn't sleep. This went on for a few weeks until I bought her a bag...and from that point forward, a few puffs before dinner, and she ate, kept it down, and got to sleep. She got through the rest of her chemo and is now in remission. It can also be used as an appetite stimulant for anorexia, or for terminally ill patients, or as an anti-emetic for AIDS/HIV patients. It has so many benefits...smoking is never good...but if there are actual medical benefits to something...well, I say lets regulate and decriminalize it. I think alcohol damages your body far worse. Plus, if I drink a bunch of alcohol, there's a chance of me potentially hurting myself or others being a drunk douchebag. If I smoke, the most that will happen is I might read a book, watch TV, eat dinner, or have sex. I dunno...

I have tried many other drugs, which I will not condone or advocate the use of, I'm just saying I've tried them...opium, hash, mushrooms, coke (one time--didn't do anything for me), all sorts of pain pills (which I understand why they would be addictive and won't do unless I'm in real pain anymore), and a few others...I learned something from each of them...and it was fun, I knew who I got the stuff from, and I was with people I trusted every time in a safe environment. Still, I'm not going to tell anyone to run out and try anything. It's a personal choice whether or not you choose to try such things. Either way, I won't knock a person for trying it, and I won't knock them for not trying it.

 

[Senshi1]

Also, I don't care what anyone says--this stuff saved my friend's life. She was on chemo for breast cancer a few summers ago, and she couldn't keep food down, had no appetite to begin with, and was in enough pain she couldn't sleep. This went on for a few weeks until I bought her a bag...and from that point forward, a few puffs before dinner, and she ate, kept it down, and got to sleep. She got through the rest of her chemo and is now in remission.

There's a point of view you never hear in the media. 😉

 

[Cbarton]

I know Camel, cannabanoids (like Marinol(tm) generic name: dronabinol) is FDA approved for nausea and vomitting in cancer patients and for appetite stimulation in AIDS and cancer patients. All used and monitored by trained medical personell as myself. But to just put pot on the shelf like tobacco and alcohol would cause more problems than ever. I have to worry enough about avoiding drunk drivers when I'm out driving. DO we 'legalize' a dangerous and mind altering drug and put mor innocents at risk for stoned drivers as well as drunk ones?

For every sad "my (insert affectionate or familial relationship) that HAD to use this stuff to survive" I see 20-50 times more patients in recovery for drug addictions that started from 'just a little weed."

Maybe my perspective is weird, but I never saw the need or the desire to "alter" my state of conciousness. What is the pull to put oneself into a mental state that causes them to act in an abberent fashion, or worse, not even remember?

All I have ever seen around me is what can go wrong, and more often than not, it will unless the user discovers the sheer will to stop or has a faith-based expereince that delivers them. In my business, we see usual, unfortunate end result.

Never been stoned, never been drunk. Never will be. Guess I'm the mutant one around here....

 

[Camel26]

Not mutant...just going on your professional experience, which is valid...

I'm not saying legalize anything...at least not outright. Decriminalize it and make the penalties similar to alcohol related issues, and make it medically available everywhere. Yes, I am familiar with marinol...however, marinol only has a few of the key cannabinoids that are found in marijuana. It doesn't work for everyone, and although it sometimes does have antiemetic, appetite stimulating effects, it lacks the analgesic and, though one might call it mind altering, euphoric effects of it's original counterpart.

I am not going to sit here and tell everyone to go smoke pot--not my intent at all. I, like you Ky my friend, am going solely on my experience. Pot is considered a gateway drug, or whatever they are calling it these days. And having access to it has given me the opportunity to try other things. However, like anyone, it was my choice to try anything I've tried. And before I've tried anything, I've done some research as to effects, potential dangers, drug interactions, etc. Why would anyone want to alter their state of mind? Why not? Indigenous peoples have used our "drugs" as a means to achieve enlightenment or to go on spiritual journeys. Granted, my personal pot use is predominantly for pain or nausea. But I must say that I've had some incredible journeys along the way. And the bit about not remembering anything...I remember as much about my time while high as I do about my time sober...yes, short term memory CAN be affected...but I haven't seen any signs in myself that would imply mine has been. Now, where did I put that pen...? 😉

It's all about choices...I think alcohol is more dangerous and is just as much of a gateway substance as cigarettes or pot...it's all about perspective and moderation. As long as it doesn't take over your job, your family, your education, or any other important aspects of your life, I see nothing wrong with coming home after a long day of work/school and sparking a joint. To me, it's no different than coming home and having a few beers or a glass or two of wine to unwind. But...that's just me. Ok, enough rambling. Back to my paper...

 

[CheshireCatNY]

I don't think its much of a surprise to anyone that I've done quite a number of mind altering substances in my day. When I went to art college I started doing everything from Weed to Shrooms to Acid to Quaaludes and even Horse Tranquilizers......and hard to believe I'm only 25. I never did anything involving needles or coke or anything like that, mostly just hallucinogens, a few pharmaceuticals and weed. After that I stopped with the hard stuff and just stuck with the weed.....even that got to be a problem after a while. About half a year ago I...."quit" that too....I say that in quotations because although I quit buying and doing it regularly, I have however been known to once in a blue moon partake if its offered.

The intersting part is that before I quit I was doing all the time and craved it constantly. After I stopped for a while and let it get out of my system, I found that after I did it again, I desired it less and was fine going without it. I'd say I've been known to do every 2-3 weeks on average now.

I've always been a big supporter of the legalization movement. I just don't think the governmet has enough substantial evidence to consider it a drug that needs to be ilegal. Like others have stated, cigarettes and alchohol are for more dangerous and far more addicting as well. (this coming from someone who also smokes cigarettes.) Personally I think caffiene is pretty dangerous too.......I bet people driving on caffiene cause a lot more accidents than drunk drivers LOL.

 

[alf1]

When I went to art college I started doing everything from Weed to Shrooms to Acid to Quaaludes and even Horse Tranquilizers

you damn freak 🙂

I'm surprised what you mention kyhawkeye, that you have seen some people being addicted to marijuana ... i mean you can't ( if you're normal ) fall addicted to this or i don't know you must smoke 10 grams a day then okay you're disconnected with reality, but becoming addict like with cigarettes, chocolate ( yeah damn chocolate, TV even is a drug !!!, coffee and so on and on ) seems at least for me strange. In fact it depends of the people will. Some take cocaine every day, are going to work, nobody notices, just find them funny, same with LSD i guess although that must be more strong, i don't speak about marijuana.

Everybody likes to experience things, i mean who didn't drinked too much for the first time, being ill like shit and said the day after : never again 🙂 ... raise hands pliz 😉

So here i've drinked, i mean i still drink just for pleasure, not for getting ill, with friends, in restaurants, normal stuff ^^ , have tried marijuana, which helps much cause i have chronic backaches, just for my case i want it to be legalized. LSD, cocaine, Ez, heroine never tried and never will, although i had the possibility to experience, but i don't like the feeling when i can't control my mind, and what's going on ... so now i just smoke tobacco and when i have the occasion weed.
And drink some wine

and whisky

and vodka

and gin and so on 😛

I must be an alien cause i rarely get drunk in fact :snob:

 

[lovecats]

See people are decived and told throught such bullshit programs as dare that drugs are the fucking anti-christ. But in reality drugs are not so harmful. just as anything else out there the only harm that can come from there are abuse. I do coke everyonce ina while, which i plan to go clean by the end of april of this year. But coke is a drug that I take an hour before I want to sober up from alcohol, and want to dance my ass off. or have an intllectual conversation. A drug I see myself having no problem quitting but as well i see myself not wanting to quit is weed. Its defintly to relax and enjoy a good trip. Like someone said on this thread weed is no big deal. Everyone should , and if they want try weed. It defintly puts things ina diffrence perspective. But as i said im happily quitting, but I will never regret taking them. I have had wonderful mind breaking and intllectual perspective on drugs. And I dont see what the big deal is. If you take them have fun dont abuse it, and if you dont , than who cares , you have your own way to vent or have fun.

 

[Senshi1]

Never been stoned, never been drunk. Never will be. Guess I'm the mutant one around here....

Not alone there, Kyhawkeye - I've never touched any form of drugs, and I've never been drunk either. 😉 (Although I do drink occasionally)

 

[Camel26]

Aint no shame in not having tried things guys...no shame at all. Good for you!!! For real!!!

I'll never knock someone for making a decision for himself...

Now...where'd I put that joint...?