Fox news and the latest massacre..........

[red indian]

The main concern for fox news seems to be to re-assure the public that this incident is just yet another in a long list of "one off" freak incidents that just happen to occur on a regular basis in the US, and that it has nothing to do with "gun control issues". Just how many of these "one off freak incidents that happen all the time on a regular basis" will fox news have to report on before they start to accept that easy access to lethal weapons might just be a problem?

I have also been disturbed by the style of the fox news coverage and the "eye witnesses" they have been interviewing. If you turned the sound off, most of them look like they are being asked to tell the interviewer about what they did on the fourth of july.

 

[Helena]

The main concern for fox news seems to be to re-assure the public that this incident is just yet another in a long list of "one off" freak incidents that just happen to occur on a regular basis in the US, and that it has nothing to do with "gun control issues". Just how many of these "one off freak incidents that happen all the time on a regular basis" will fox news have to report on before they start to accept that easy access to lethal weapons might just be a problem?

I have also been disturbed by the style of the fox news coverage and the "eye witnesses" they have been interviewing. If you turned the sound off, most of them look like they are being asked to tell the interviewer about what they did on the fourth of july.

I'll join ya, buddy. Let's bash fox news. HLN is another one I'd like to add to the bashing list. These networks exist to raise your blood pressure by feeding the same pictures and info over and over again with nothing new to report. I think I try and stay away from stations like these. My advice is to turn your tele onto something else and not read the same blurbs on your screen 100 times per hour.
The eyewitnesses were probably not seeing him clearly. There is no one at his apartment building that can comment on the gun man other than that he was a recluse.
The story is still unfolding, and the details aren't being released beyond the basic information. Wait while the weekend unfolds and the apartment is neutralized by the bomb squad.
Try and take the gossip and guesses of the news anchors out of your mind so they don't drive you crazy. 😀

I read the portion of your post on the gun control, but I only had a comment about the accuracy and lack of it in reporting. 😀

 

[tickledorange]

I just hope that no one tries to use the death of 14 people to push any political agendas.

 

[red indian]

I hear there are plans to "boycott" the opening nights of the batman film. What can this tragedy possibly have to do with a film about a comic book hero? Why are there no plans to "boycott" gun shops?

This bloke bought six thousand rounds of ammo. Can any of you explain to me how this behaviour fits in with a US citizens rights under the second ammendement?

 

[red indian]

Dont get me wrong folks, I am no bleeding heart liberal Obama ass kisser. But the idea that fox news are pedaling, that this massacre has nothing to do with lack of gun control, is increasingly hard to defend surely?

By all means, if you wish, as a Nation, to have such liberal views regarding gun ownership, you must live with the consequences, but please dont pretend that this lack of control has no influence on the ease and frequency of incidents like this.

 

[BellybTickler]

Strict gun control will work about as well as Prohibition did to control alcohol. This individual had planned this for months, if hypothetically, Colorado had tight gun laws all he would've had to do is drive to the next state or down to Texas. A determined person will by any means acquire what he wants, legally or illegally.

It is the person, not the tool.

The liberals will blame the guns; the conservatives will blame the movie; the defense will blame his upbringing; and the prosecution will blame the access ... BUT NO ONE will blame him.

Why? Because we as humans like to entertain ourselves that we are in fact civilized, and righteous, and compassionate (yeah only if it serves our individual goals). We are bloodthirsty animals who were just not as dumb as the rest of the worlds species to find a more efficient way of killing and maintaining power.

Control won't solve, it will worsen. When humans realize that the problem does not lie with the tool, but the person wielding it .. then we will make progress.

Responsibility .. stop avoiding it, start acting on it.

 

[red indian]

"Tight guns laws"? are you kidding me? if I tried to buy six thousand rounds of ammo in the UK I would be in prison before I ever recieved them. I have no problem with the US custom that the acquisition and ownership of guns should be free and easy, but it really is absurd to then turn around and suggest that this liberal attitude to guns has no influence on the likelyhood of massacres like this occurring.

 

[Dialon]

I just hope that no one tries to use the death of 14 people to push any political agendas.

Oh you already know it will. I have a feeling this incident will turn into the whole "Columbine mess" all over again. The blame game will happen.

 

[ticklehound]

Cable news is an absolute abomination these days.

CNN had the makings of something good as I guess they were the 1st 24-hr cable news network. Then FOX News came around with a blatant agenda to provide a conservative media outlet. I mean, they are just so obvious in their slanted harsh right-wing propaganda they pander that somehow is oblivious to their fans. But hey, that's what they do, and they do it well. Conservatives lap it up hungrily; Liberals have pretty much given up protest & trying to change them.

MSNBC is fighting FOX by taking an even harder liberal slant, but all they try to do is the same shit that FOX does. And poor CNN is in the middle trying to piss anyone off . . . by playing it safe & not doing anything crazy.

- Gun violence is a big issue in this country, and I think debate is still warranted. Now, I am a moderate liberal, leaning twd libertarian, but I believe we oughta be free to own guns . . . but it oughta be "well-regulated" as it says in the 2nd Amendment.

I just feel we should see if something can be done (if possible) to prevent something like this massacre. I just don't buy the premises laid out by the gun lobby. But now is too soon - let the aftermath of this tragedy play out and go from there.

 

[tickledorange]

Where is this "liberal gun control" I always hear about anyway? I wouldn't be able to take my .38 anywhere without setting off some kind of metal detector or hearing "we're going to have to confiscate that". Illinois is the worst.

 

[BellybTickler]

"Tight guns laws"? are you kidding me? if I tried to buy six thousand rounds of ammo in the UK I would be in prison before I ever recieved them. I have no problem with the US custom that the acquisition and ownership of guns should be free and easy, but it really is absurd to then turn around and suggest that this liberal attitude to guns has no influence on the likelyhood of massacres like this occurring.

In July of 2005, 4 UK Citizens with homemade explosive devices killed 52 people and injured another 700. If someone is determined they will find a way.

In the United States, gun control has little or nothing to do with ammunition; there are some style of rounds that I think are illegal for purchase, but since we can make our own here regulation would be pointless. What works in Europe will not always work here; the cultures are too different and have a solidified history of being that way.

Again, it's the people not the guns.

 

[paracarl44]

I should remind you............................

that on this date about one year ago a madman in Norway killed 70+ people.

 

[TklDuo-Drew]

So a movie about the Caped Crusader should be "banned" because some fucktard decided he wanted to get his name in the press by killing dozens of innocent people? Doesn't make sense.


Drew

 

[kopfhorer]

The "news" business exists to do one thing - deliver an audience to advertisers. Some news outlets do actually concentrate on delivering accurate news and thoughtful opinion pieces but these are the exception.

There's a saying in that business - "If it bleeds, it leads". If there's a story about a corporation losing trillions of its investors' money and another about a 20-car-pile-up (or a governor getting caught with a hooker) , guess which one gets top billing?

 

[ticklehound]

I think this just about summarizes my disdain of cable news (when they're not spouting propaganda). And my response to conservative hacks who say all the Daily Show does is lampoon Faux News...

http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser...-there-is-a-terrible-place-to-leave-it_b26895

 

[alchemy]

Dont get me wrong folks, I am no bleeding heart liberal Obama ass kisser. But the idea that fox news are pedaling, that this massacre has nothing to do with lack of gun control, is increasingly hard to defend surely?

By all means, if you wish, as a Nation, to have such liberal views regarding gun ownership, you must live with the consequences, but please dont pretend that this lack of control has no influence on the ease and frequency of incidents like this.

I'm damn glad that at least ONE news station is not using this tragedy to advance an agenda and banging the drum of "MORE GUN CONTROL". All I've been hearing from the other news outlets is how many guns he had and how much ammo he was allowed to buy...what a transparent, slanted crock of shit...like THAT'S what we should be worried about and not that the guy was a whack job. It's not the governments, the news outlets, or anybody else's business how many guns a person owns or how/where they bought their ammo.

The second amendment wasn't added to the Bill Of Rights because people needed to go hunting...or that people wanted to defend themselves from an attacker, it was put there for the people to be able to defend themselves from the very government that the constitution was putting into place (us Yanks are a rebellious sort of folk). Gun control laws only serve to undermine the entire reason for the existence of this amendment.

Also, I'm guessing that if a few people in that theater had had concealed handguns, maybe some of those people wouldn't be dead.

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[ticklehound]

The second amendment wasn't added to the Bill Of Rights because people needed to go hunting...or that people wanted to defend themselves from an attacker, it was put there for the people to be able to defend themselves from the very government that the constitution was putting into place (us Yanks are a rebellious sort of folk). Gun control laws only serve to undermine the entire reason for the existence of this amendment.

- This argument keeps getting tossed out every time this is debated. I'm sorry, but let's be honest here, I don't care how heavily armed people in this country get . . . there is absolutely no way it can come close to matching the firepower of said government...

You want to frame the debate using the idea of liberty and resistance to government intrusion into our private lives, I am totally with you... but I don't buy the armed militia argument.

I'm okay with and defend our right to buy & own guns for personal protection, but it's hard for me to justify being this heavily armed with assault rifles and improvised explosives...

 

[Crackity Jones]

Also, I'm guessing that if a few people in that theater had had concealed handguns, maybe some of those people wouldn't be dead.

Movie Theatres are dark places, and the audience had been tear-gassed. Add that to the mayhem after the shooting had started and you have the recipe for even more casualties.

 

[red indian]

As previously stated,I accept that the US has a well established gun culture. Thats not going to change any time soon, as a Nation, you are beyond salvation regarding gun ownership. It is however ridiculous to try and uphold this long held tradition while at the same time arguing that its exsistance has no bearing on the number of gun related massacres which occurr in the US.

I dont understand what the massacre in Norway has to do with this US problem. Nothing like that has happened in Norway since the second world war. That cant be said about the US can it?

Enjoying guns, owning guns, using guns as a form of recreation, does not form the basis of a logical argument for rejecting gun control or refusing to accept that free and easy access to legal and illegal weapons contributes to the US problem with repeated incidents of the type we have seen recently.

Its also a cop out to say " its nothing to do with guns or guns control, the guy was a nutter, it was going to happen anyway"......oh well...thats ok then, nothing to worry about folks.

 

[red indian]

Apparently, the solution to the problem as far as many pro gun people are concerned is to have the whole country packing heat when ever they leave the house to go to the Cinema or the shopping mall. Yep, that should bring the death rate way down.

 

[Jagermeistered]

Apparently, the solution to the problem as far as many pro gun people are concerned is to have the whole country packing heat when ever they leave the house to go to the Cinema or the shopping mall. Yep, that should bring the death rate way down.

Well, there is an old saying, "a armed society, is a polite society."

I am not a pro-gun advocate, but a private property rights theorist. It is a presupposition for me: I can either carry a gun to protect myself and family/friends, or pay somebody to carry a gun(and, protect me/family/friends). No, I am not for a pro-statist, public-police, involuntary(forceful) taxation, protectionist local economy. But, a competive society, where the strong(civility) beats the weak(barbarism)...

 

[paracarl44]

I read that 30+ people in Japan were killed in a years time by gunfire.

 

[kopfhorer]

I just hope that no one tries to use the death of 14 people to push any political agendas.

Too late...the sharking for votes on both sides of the aisle is probably well underway.

Seriously, if you wanna go to work for Fox News and you aren't a pathological liar or a sensationalist, forget it!