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Giving The Finger

njjen3953

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Before the Battle of Agincourt in 1415, the French, anticipating
victory over the English, purposed to cut off the middle finger of
all captured English soldiers. Without the middle finger it would be
impossible to draw the renowned English longbow and therefore be
incapable of fighting in the future. This famous weapon was made of
the native English Yew tree, and the act of drawing the longbow was
known as "plucking the yew" (or pluck yew").

Much to the bewilderment of he French, the English won a major upset
and began mocking the French by waving their middle fingers at the
defeated French, saying "See, we can still pluck yew! "PLUCK YEW!"

Since 'pluck yew' is rather difficult to say, the difficult consonant
cluster at the beginning has gradually changed to a labiodental
fricative `F' and thus the words often used in conjunction with the
one-finger-salute are mistakenly thought to have something to do with
an intimate encounter.

It is also because of the pheasant feathers on the arrows used with
the longbow that the symbolic gesture is known as "giving the bird".

And yew thought yew knew everything.
 
Yuppers, I knew that already...

...But then, I've always been a smart plucker. But yew knew that...🙄
 
Yep... Danimal's a pretty fart smeller.... Whoops... I mean a pretty smart feller!

LOL
 
Say Jen, whatta ya say...

QBWeaver said:
Yep... Danimal's a pretty fart smeller.... Whoops... I mean a pretty smart feller!

LOL

...you come on out here and we tickle the bejabbers outta Jan? She's been gettin' awfully snarky lately! I think she'll find a lot less energy for sarcasm if she's too exhausted from hysterical giggling...

Whatta ya say? :devil: :tickle: :evilha: :tickle: :dogpile:
 
interesting facts Jen, I didn't know this🙂
Sometimes, while driving I see people not just give the finger but they give the whole dang flock! Or the whole arm! :blaugh: now that is funny!
Road rage, it is serious!:sowrong:
 
Heheheheheh! I needed a Giggle.

Here's another giggle for those of you who like tongue twisters.


I'm a mother pheasant Pucker, I pluck mother pheasants.

I'm the most pleasant mother pheasant plucker who ever plucked a mother pheasant.

And Danimal... Neener, Neener, Neener!
 
Re: Say Jen, whatta ya say...

AffectionateDan said:


...you come on out here and we tickle the bejabbers outta Jan? She's been gettin' awfully snarky lately! I think she'll find a lot less energy for sarcasm if she's too exhausted from hysterical giggling...

Whatta ya say? :devil: :tickle: :evilha: :tickle: :dogpile:

It's looking pretty good. I have a feeling I will be spending my spring break with you wonderful people.

Jan, Be afraid. Be VERY afraid. Muhahahahahaha :devil:

Jen

PS. Dan, If you take me on for that "non-bondage" scene, Ms. Weaver is not allowed within 10 feet of me. 😛
 
Thanks, Jen! That was plucking plunny, yew know? 😀
 
fingers.jpg
 
QBWeaver said:
I'm a mother pheasant Pucker, I pluck mother pheasants.

I'm the most pleasant mother pheasant plucker who ever plucked a mother pheasant.


LOL, QB -- I had not heard that one before! (That would be something crazy to try on my ESL class!)
:dogpile:
 
Sorry, everyone.

as cute as this story is, it's not true. From The Urban Legends Reference Pages

Origins: The piece quoted above is silly, and so obviously a joke that shouldn't need any debunking. Nonetheless, so many have forwarded it to us accompanied by an "Is this true?" query that we feel duty-bound to provide a bit of historical and linguistic information to demonstrate why this story couldn't possibly be true.

First of all, despite the lack of motion pictures and television way back in the 15th century, the details of medieval battles such as the one at Agincourt in 1415 did not go unrecorded. Battles were observed and chronicled by heralds who were present at the scene and recorded what they saw, judged who won, and fixed names for the battles. These heralds were not part of the participating armies, but were, as military expert John Keegan describes, members of an "international corporation of experts who regulated civilized warfare." Several heralds -- both French and English -- were present at the battle of Agincourt, and not one of them (or any later chroniclers of Agincourt) mentioned anything about the French having cut off the fingers of captured English bowman.

Secondly, for a variety of reasons, it made no military sense whatsoever for the French to capture English archers, then mutilate them by cutting off their fingers. Medieval warriors did not take prisoners because they were observing a moral code that dictated that opponents who laid down their arms and ceased fighting must be treated humanely; they took prisoners because high-ranking captives were valuable property that could be ransomed for money. The ransoming of prisoners was the only way for medieval soldiers to make a quick fortune, and so they seized every available opportunity to capture opponents who could be exchanged for a handsome price.

Bowman were not valuable prisoners, though; they stood outside the chivalric system and were considered the social inferiors of men-at-arms. There was no monetary reward to be obtained by capturing them, nor was there any glory to be won by defeating them in battle. As Keegan wrote, "To meet a similarly equipped opponent was the occasion for which the armoured soldier trained perhaps every day of his life from the onset of manhood. To meet and beat him was a triumph, the highest form which self-expression could take in the medieval nobleman's way of life." Archers were not the "similarly equipped" opponents that armored soldiers triumphed in defeating; if the two clashed in combat, the armored soldier would either kill an archer outright or leave him to bleed to death rather than go to the wasteful effort of taking him prisoner.

Moreover, if archers could be ransomed, then cutting off their middle fingers would be a senseless move. Your opponent is not going to pay you (or pay you much) for the return of mutilated soldiers, so now what do you do with them? Take on the burden and expense of caring for them? Kill them outright and violate the medieval moral code of civilized warfare? (Henry V was heavily criticized for supposedly having ordered the execution of French prisoners at Agincourt.)

Even if killing prisoners of war did not violate the moral code of the times, what would be the purpose of cutting off fingers and then executing these same people? Why not simply kill them outright in the first place? Do you return these prisoners to your opponents in exchange for nothing, thereby providing them with trained soldiers who can fight against you another day? (Even if archers whose middle fingers had been amputated could no longer effectively use their bows, they were still capable of wielding mallets, battleaxes, swords, lances, daggers, maces, and other weapons, as archers typically did -- and as they indeed did at Agincourt -- when the opponents closed ranks with them and the fighting became hand-to-hand.)


So much for history. There's not much that makes linguistic sense here, either. The claim that the "difficult consonant cluster at the beginning" of the phase 'pluck yew' has "gradually changed to a labiodental fricative 'f'" is specious. A labiodental fricative was no less "difficult" for Middle English speakers to pronounce than the aspirated bilabial stop/voiceless lateral combination of 'pl' that the fricative supposedly changed into, nor are there any other examples of such a shift occurring in English. As well, the etymology of the word 'fuck' indicates that the word originated in a completely different time, place, and manner than the absurd version presented here. And on top of all that, the insulting gesture of extending one's middle finger (digitus impudicus in Latin) dates from Roman times (at least 2,000 years ago), so it obviously was not developed in conjunction with the creation of the English word 'fuck.'"

Last but certainly not least, wouldn't these insolent archers have been bragging about plucking the bow's string, and not the wood of the bow itself?

Barbara "bowfinger" Mikkelson

Last updated: 29 September 1999

original article can be found here.
 
sorry jen, sounded like you were trying to pass it off as fact, and us UL collectors hate seeing fake stories passed around like that. 😛

sides, if I'm gonna be miserable y'all are gonna join me. 😀
 
Phineas said:
and us UL collectors hate seeing fake stories passed around like that. 😛

UL collectors? Not sure what that means, but I know what UK collectors are. Useless Knowledge LOL
 
Re: Sorry, everyone.

Phineas said:
as cute as this story is, it's not true.
A labiodental fricative was no less "difficult" for Middle English speakers to pronounce than the aspirated bilabial stop/voiceless lateral combination of 'pl' that the fricative supposedly changed into, nor are there any other examples of such a shift occurring in English.
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That sentence is so much beyond my understanding that I wonder if it is an urban legend of its own.
 
Re: Re: Say Jen, whatta ya say...

njjen3953 said:


It's looking pretty good. I have a feeling I will be spending my spring break with you wonderful people.

Jan, Be afraid. Be VERY afraid. Muhahahahahaha :devil:

Jen

PS. Dan, If you take me on for that "non-bondage" scene, Ms. Weaver is not allowed within 10 feet of me. 😛

We'll hafta "play" that one by ear, darlin'... :evilha:
 
There is a reason I want her kept away from me. I'm sure she will eventually see this and respond.

As for YOU, I love affectionate guys. But, if you are that affectionate that it is in your name, you might just be too soft as a tickler for me. 😛 j/k
 
Jen... with Dan... Affectionate is true but too soft as a tickler.... On man. You just don't know. He's a DEVIL Darlin! He's just EVIL and ruthless and you will find yourself in a HUGE amount of trouble.
 
And Jen... I know that the next time I see ya I'm in DEEP Poop! I escaped ya at SBG1 and I escaped ya at NEST.

So I am afraid.. VERY afraid! LOL
 
QBWeaver said:
Jen... with Dan... Affectionate is true but too soft as a tickler.... On man. You just don't know. He's a DEVIL Darlin! He's just EVIL and ruthless and you will find yourself in a HUGE amount of trouble.


So, will you stay back and allow me to "beat" him if necessary? LOL
 
I don't know if I can stay back Jen. You must might need to be restrained after all! LOL

But ya know... Danimal is a great big, Tall, grizzly kinda guy. If he can hold me down and get me, then I'm pretty sure he can hold you down and get you too!

Heck.. at one of our gatherings there were 4 of us trying to get him and he still got us! The only issue was when Kimmie knocked her head of the table! Ouch!
 
YOU, Ms. Weaver will need to be restrained then. LOL

Dan, I do not hit hard. It is more of a playful beating. :devil: I love being held down and made to feel totally helpless and vulnerable.
I also will throw anything that may be in my reach. The only time I ever threw something at my tickler, it was a pillow. I am not looking to injure. It is just an outlet for me that keeps from being so loud the cops get called. LOL
 
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