In my experiences, men tend to be too wussy to give me what I want. Girls get my vote.
And I've unfortunately noticed that most men can't actually understand the difference between punching someone out and indulging in erotic torture. To the point where many of them don't even feel like trying, even if it means actually pleasing their partner. More to the point of this thread, it points out that women simply tend to be more in tune to their partners and therefore capable of delivering something that's mutually enjoyable. They're not clouded by the stereotypical male mentality of believe they know exactly what everyone wants.
And I've unfortunately noticed that most men can't actually understand the difference between punching someone out and indulging in erotic torture. To the point where many of them don't even feel like trying, even if it means actually pleasing their partner. More to the point of this thread, it points out that women simply tend to be more in tune to their partners and therefore capable of delivering something that's mutually enjoyable. They're not clouded by the stereotypical male mentality of believe they know exactly what everyone wants.
You seem to be really down on men, don't ya?
First things first: there is a different between punching someone out, and erotic torture. There is also a difference between erotic torture, and just plain torture in which someone might think it's erotic, but that fact alone borders on mental issues. (I had a friend who was with a woman once, who during sex with him, just started cutting his back with a razor. She didn't give him any warning about it, he just felt the pain. When he realized what was going on, he freaked out and hit her in the face--serves her right if you ask me.) There was another women I knew who used to want her skin rubbed raw with a cheese grater--all over. And she found a partner who was willing to do it to the point of serious skin issues. Is pleasure worth all that? I don't think so. There is a servere difference between pleasure and happiness, and the women who tend to get frustrated that a guy won't "give me what they want!" or go too far, are usually the women who don't know the difference between.
And it has nothing to do with men thinking they know what people want--more often than not, men can't even guess what a woman wants (she can't even guess what she wants half the time--at least the women in situations like this one) but it has to do with generations of being taught to respect a woman's body. Unfortonately, many fetishes people have that give them serious orgamsms also go into the realm of insanity in this way, because they can't be reconciled with respecting the body. (fuck, you give a mouse a choice between food and an orgasm and he'll starve to death--humans are no different.) for too many people sexual pleasure is the be all and end all--and the will do ANYTHING to get it. And some people, guys and girl, just aren't willing to do that to someone for orgams's sake--and again, when a generation preaches to you to treat women with resepct and you get yelled at, berated and punsihed for mistakes on all ends--and there are potential legal issues invovled (for example, say a woman wanted you to cut her for sex, then she got pissed at you and went to the cops saying you abused her...are they really going to believe she asked you for it? i doubt it)
men here get upset when women refuse to meet with them, without understanding the risk women take to do that--women really don't get the risk men take for abusing them--even in an erotic way.
I'll repeat--sexual pleasure isn't everything--usually men aren't the ones who understand that--apparently some women don't either.
You seem to be really down on men, don't ya?
First things first: there is a different between punching someone out, and erotic torture. There is also a difference between erotic torture, and just plain torture in which someone might think it's erotic, but that fact alone borders on mental issues. (I had a friend who was with a woman once, who during sex with him, just started cutting his back with a razor. She didn't give him any warning about it, he just felt the pain. When he realized what was going on, he freaked out and hit her in the face--serves her right if you ask me.) There was another women I knew who used to want her skin rubbed raw with a cheese grater--all over. And she found a partner who was willing to do it to the point of serious skin issues. Is pleasure worth all that? I don't think so. There is a servere difference between pleasure and happiness, and the women who tend to get frustrated that a guy won't "give me what they want!" or go too far, are usually the women who don't know the difference between.
And it has nothing to do with men thinking they know what people want--more often than not, men can't even guess what a woman wants (she can't even guess what she wants half the time--at least the women in situations like this one) but it has to do with generations of being taught to respect a woman's body. Unfortonately, many fetishes people have that give them serious orgamsms also go into the realm of insanity in this way, because they can't be reconciled with respecting the body. (fuck, you give a mouse a choice between food and an orgasm and he'll starve to death--humans are no different.) for too many people sexual pleasure is the be all and end all--and the will do ANYTHING to get it. And some people, guys and girl, just aren't willing to do that to someone for orgams's sake--and again, when a generation preaches to you to treat women with resepct and you get yelled at, berated and punsihed for mistakes on all ends--and there are potential legal issues invovled (for example, say a woman wanted you to cut her for sex, then she got pissed at you and went to the cops saying you abused her...are they really going to believe she asked you for it? i doubt it)
men here get upset when women refuse to meet with them, without understanding the risk women take to do that--women really don't get the risk men take for abusing them--even in an erotic way.
I'll repeat--sexual pleasure isn't everything--usually men aren't the ones who understand that--apparently some women don't either.
Let me ask you a question. Do you understand the difference between spanking someone and cutting them with a razor? I should certainly hope so. There's only one thing I can't understand in this conversation. And that's how you managed to twist my assertion that men aren't vicious enough ticklers for my taste into arguing against cutting your partner and punching them out. I think I have less of a problem with men than you have with me.
If I've had trouble finding men who're willing to tie me and tickle me, spank me when I want it, or just take me wildly in bed, then that's my issue. It is not for you to justify their actions or say that I'm just looking for something too intense. And I take exception to having my kinks and interests compared to cutting on someone without warning.
I'll start responding more in-depth to your arguments when you start pointing out exactly where I said men or women should do things that are unhealthy for their partner. Once again, I recall saying that I've seen partners refuse to do things that are intense enough, but you do seem caught up in some sort of healthy vs unhealthy debate that isn't actually present here.
And for your accusation that I'm saying women use men and then leave them... Pleeeease point that one out. I have got to read that.
never said that--even tho women do do that in alot of cases--I'm saying that women, in your arguments seem to take the cake when it comes to be willing to do almost ANYTHING just to acheive pleasure--not recognizing the difference between pleasure and happiness.
And in an age where men are the sleezebuckets who pick up women and dump them the next day--its kind of funny to see you argue that it is actually women who take this cake.
Whatever the question... the answer = women are better.