Guys: What's your definition of "a REAL Woman?"

[MrPartickler]

In the spirit of fun controversies... 😀

(Actually, I thought about putting this in my "Double Standards" Thread, but I figured it's earned a thread of it's own.)

These are things I hear/read/see all the time:

<b>Women defining "a real woman"</b>--with a definition that always includes themselves, of course. The opinion is usually given freely to all, and completely unsolicited to guys. (Guys, when was the last time you asked a woman: "What is a REAL woman like?") Notable example: the movie <i>Real Women Have Curves</i> 🙄

<b>Women defining "a real man"</b>--with a definition that most frequently includes some idea or implication of a man kissing her arse in some way. Again, the opinion is usually given freely to all, and completely unsolicited to guys. (Guys, when was the last time you got all confused and asked a woman: "What would a REAL man do in this situation?")

<b>Men defining "real men"</b>--with usually some super-macho, stereotype that's often used to ridicule another guy. This opinion is also usually given freely and/or unsolicited to all. This is unfortunate, since we usually end up proving our own stupidity with this one, but we'll let the women remind us of it everytime. So no worries there....everybody's happy! 😛

What I hardly ever (IF ever) see/hear/read is guys beginning sentences like "a REAL woman does..." or "a REAL woman is..." I can think of plenty of instances where a woman has forcefully told a guy to "be a man," but can't think of any time I've heard of a guy telling a woman to "be a woman." (I know, I know...if she's hot, she's woman enough for us, right? 🙄 LOL)

Well guys, (i.e., MEN) here's your chance.

I'll start:
To me, a REAL woman, doesn't try to define manhood or womanhood in any self-serving way, so there's seldom any need for the aforementioned statements. She's secure in her womanhood, and doesn't accuse other women as not being "real" because more men (and/or women) are attracted to them than her. She is aware of herself--her strengths and her faults--and her relationships with others, and she takes responsibility for her actions and/or her <i>in</i>action. She is honest with herself (foremost) and others as well. I'll add that she is NOT "high-maintenance"--especially not in that "I'm a little princess and I deserve special treatment because I have nice tits and a cute smile" kinda way.....

There are lots more of course, but I'd like a few other guys to weigh in....you know, REAL men! 😎

 

[Dave2112]

Hmmmm, take a way a few of the small references to an individual gender and your definition could be what real people are supposed to be.

My definition of a real woman?

Diane Lane.

😀

 

[Haltickling]

I don't know if this fits in here, but lately I heard a nice definition of "an ideal woman" (in the eyes of men), and "an ideal man" (in the eyes of women):

An ideal woman is a young beautiful girl who wants sex whenever the man needs it. Afterwards, she'll transform into a cool beer immediately.

An ideal man is a rich handsome guy who wants sex only whenever she wants it. Afterwards, he'll transform into a delicious pizza immediately.

😛 😛 😛

 

[milagros317]

A real woman, as far as I'm concerned, is simply a female human being aged 18 or older. They are all real women.

Perhaps what you really want to know is men's definitions of a genuinely desirable woman. For me, you need only look here:

http://www.mistresszaranyc.com/

 

[nosforatiop]

My opinion of...

A real woman:
Doesn't try to change other people in order to validate herself. Doesn't try to change herself in order to please other people. Doesn't criticise, analyze, and nitpick everything about you.
Is more interested in you then the amount of money you make and the kind of car you drive.
And they are very few and far between (at least in the city I live in).

Cheers

 

[MrPartickler]

Re: My opinion of...

A real woman:
Doesn't criticise, analyze, and nitpick everything about you.

Dude. I said REAL, not imaginary! 😛

..sorry, I had to do something to stir the pot! 😀
(good answer, btw. lol)

 

[Limeoutsider]

She's secure in her womanhood, and doesn't accuse other women as not being "real" because more men (and/or women) are attracted to them than her.

Kinda hard to do when you know someone has had one or more cosmetic alterations

 

[terorizer]

Well to start with, mommy moms....

In more detail, being a man, I know there was a point when I realized there was something different about the "fairer sex". I can't recall the exact moment, but being a little boy at recess, and just becoming aware that there's more to them girl people, than just using a different bathroom. How can she play as hard as I do, and still be cute? Part of what a woman is to me is one who fascinates me in that unexplainable way.

Succinctly, strength, responsbility and love. As was mentioned in another post, the same things that make any human real basically... Actually, the definition lies within the detail of how the strength, responsibility and love manifest themselves. Detail that would take far more than this thread, but suffice to say in our society, there are situations which are unique to women and when the exhibit strength, responsibility and love in those situations... well, that's what I'm talkin' 'bout!

 

[MrPartickler]

Re: Re: Guys: What's your definition of "a REAL Woman?"

Kinda hard to do when you know someone has had one or more cosmetic alterations

This is a good comment! It brings up an interesting follow-up question that I hadn't thought about until just now:

Do physical alterations (e.g., plastic surgery, etc.) make a woman (or anyone) less "real?" It seems like a slippery slope to me, since some people (e.g., bald or balding men OR women) might get surgical alterations like get hair transplants. And if those are ok, what if someone gets liposuction to look more trim and fit in areas where they can't seem to lose weight? Alternatively, if breast augmentation makes a woman less "real" what about push-up (or padded) bras, bustiers, and...well...Kleenex LOL? Or if using Botox or getting one's lips cosmetically "enhanced" makes a woman less real, what about wearing blush, eyeliner, lipstick, etc. to achieve the same effects?

 

[Limeoutsider]

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This is a good comment! It brings up an interesting follow-up question that I hadn't thought about until just now:

Do physical alterations (e.g., plastic surgery, etc.) make a woman (or anyone) less "real?" It seems like a slippery slope to me, since some people (e.g., bald or balding men OR women) might get surgical alterations like get hair transplants. And if those are ok, what if someone gets liposuction to look more trim and fit in areas where they can't seem to lose weight? Alternatively, if breast augmentation makes a woman less "real" what about push-up (or padded) bras, bustiers, and...well...Kleenex LOL? Or if using Botox or getting one's lips cosmetically "enhanced" makes a woman less real, what about wearing blush, eyeliner, lipstick, etc. to achieve the same effects?

Make Up isnt permanent (but there is a surgury so it can be!), I think if someone needs to improve upon themself, I tend to view them negativly

 

[Ayla ny]

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This is a good comment! It brings up an interesting follow-up question that I hadn't thought about until just now:

Do physical alterations (e.g., plastic surgery, etc.) make a woman (or anyone) less "real?"

self confidence is the sexiest thing in the world. and cosmetic surgery implies insecurity.

so... I guess I think it does make them less ‘real’. well, maybe not less real themselves... but less loving of the real. less attractive too. knowing the pain and suffering they were willing to go through in order to change their ‘outward self’ makes me sad for the ‘inner self’ they must think so little of.

makeup, on the other hand, doesn’t hurt a bit. 🙂

 

[AffectionateDan]

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self confidence is the sexiest thing in the world.

Bingo. Male OR Female.

 

[MrPartickler]

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self confidence is the sexiest thing in the world. and cosmetic surgery implies insecurity.

so... I guess I think it does make them less ‘real’. well, maybe not less real themselves... but less loving of the real. less attractive too. knowing the pain and suffering they were willing to go through in order to change their ‘outward self’ makes me sad for the ‘inner self’ they must think so little of.

makeup, on the other hand, doesn’t hurt a bit. 🙂

I also think self-confidence is sexy, but I think it would be splitting hairs here a bit to call some self-improvement techniques a sign of insecurity while saying other, more-conventional (or less hi-tech) techniques are not.

For example, if a woman takes a half-hour every day applying make-up everyday for the rest of her life (or even if she doesn't but wishes she could), I'm not sure that she could say a woman who went ahead and had some analogous cosmetic surgery or procedure performed <i>once</i> was any more insecure. The same would apply for getting breast implants vs. wearing special bras or assorted "props" (lol) for 20 or 30 years.

Also, "pain and suffering" are relative, somewhat subjective, and don't necessarily go hand-in-hand with all of these kinds of procedures. For example, teeth whitening can be done professionally or through the myriad of (generally much less-effective) tooth-whitening products made available over the counter. I seldom hear complaints that these procedures are in the least bit torturous. I also seldom hear anyone saying that someone who's had the procedure (which is as "permanent" as any other I suppose) done is insecure. Botox injections last on the order of 4 months (according to their website). Although some people think injections of any kind are extreme, others don't.

Here's a better example: If a guy wears lifts to increase his height, I suspect most women (and men) would accuse him of being insecure. (...yes, even the women wearing make-up, heels, wigs, padded bras, etc. 🙄 ) Still, there is certainly no permanence there; there is also no pain involved or lasting effects from use.

I think the distinction lies moreso in what we've come to accept as "normal" beauty enhancement secrets. Most of the medical/surgical techniques we hear about now are relatively new and expensive; some are still somewhat risky and/or painful to undergo. Over time, however, those differences (difficulty, expense, rarety, etc.) will likely fade.

I guess my opinion is just that for "realness" folks still have to be judged on a case-by-case basis. (I should also note that, to me, a single nose-job is a lot different than a Jackson-family special. 😛) I know one woman who plans to get breast implants soon, one who wants to (but is afraid of the surgery/pain involved), and two other women who have had breast-reduction surgery in the past. The latter two are probably among the most confident, secure people--man or woman--I've ever met. While the other two don't rank nearly as high on that scale (IMHO), they certainly don't strike me as insecure; all rank reasonably high on my personal "realness" scale.

 

[Ayla ny]

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Originally posted by Ayla ny
self confidence is the sexiest thing in the world.
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Bingo. Male OR Female.

a little Danimal-magnetism doesn't hurt either. 😉

 

[Ayla ny]

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I also think self-confidence is sexy, but I think it would be splitting hairs here a bit to call some self-improvement techniques a sign of insecurity while saying other, more-conventional (or less hi-tech) techniques are not.

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I think the distinction lies moreso in what we've come to accept as "normal" beauty enhancement secrets. Most of the medical/surgical techniques we hear about now are relatively new and expensive; some are still somewhat risky and/or painful to undergo. Over time, however, those differences (difficulty, expense, rarety, etc.) will likely fade.

I guess my opinion is just that for "realness" folks still have to be judged on a case-by-case basis.

I agree.

I generally don’t like generalizations. but I do believe my previous post holds true in most cases. generally speaking... 🙂

 

[AffectionateDan]

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a little Danimal-magnetism doesn't hurt either. 😉

Yuppers! Can't argue with logic like that! Now, if only we knew where to GET some of that.... hmmmmm! 😉 🙄

 

[JPie1]

I am woman hear me roar!!

 

[AffectionateDan]

Roar with LAUGHTER, maybe...

Real Women do not roar, anyhow... that's for Real Men and Danimals. 😛