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Hellraiser being turned into a tv series?
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Hmmm. I'm not too sure how to take that news. On one hand, if done correctly, and witten well, it could be quite the prime time hit.
On the other hand, I'm forced to remember the campy "Freddy's nightmares" fiasco from the early 90's.
Time will tell.
On the other hand, I'm forced to remember the campy "Freddy's nightmares" fiasco from the early 90's.
Time will tell.
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I agree i'm hit or miss on this news as well.
If they can get a good and up an coming horror movie based director and producer to start filming this tv series and get some not very well known and big time stars then we might have a winner on our hands! But if NOT then we just might have a total tv series flop.
But i'm sure Clive Barker (who's idea it was with this in the first place) will do some good things for this
If they can get a good and up an coming horror movie based director and producer to start filming this tv series and get some not very well known and big time stars then we might have a winner on our hands! But if NOT then we just might have a total tv series flop.
But i'm sure Clive Barker (who's idea it was with this in the first place) will do some good things for this
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This show could swing two ways.
1. The show could be some re-occuring plot involving Pinhead.
2. They could go the "Freddy's nightmares" route, and have a new person finding the box every new episode.
Either way, the producers and writers will have to tread lightly. I don't think that anyone has come up with a good TV version of a horror movie to date...But, there is always a first time for everything.
I'm interested already.
1. The show could be some re-occuring plot involving Pinhead.
2. They could go the "Freddy's nightmares" route, and have a new person finding the box every new episode.
Either way, the producers and writers will have to tread lightly. I don't think that anyone has come up with a good TV version of a horror movie to date...But, there is always a first time for everything.
I'm interested already.
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dussicar said:
I'm pretty sure it's going to be opinion #1.
more likely anyways. but Clive Barker has been known to shake it up a bit (specially in the pin head movie series as a whole) so your right it should be interesting to how this turns out and to see if this does actually get turned into a tv series.
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Sounds promising in theory. Star Wars is getting its own tv series as well, sources say.
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Vladislaus Dracula said:
Yeah, I heard about that too. I't's supposed to be based on Jango Fett or something to that effect.
To be perfectly honest, I'm not too sure about that. Star Wars has pretty much gone down the crapper after "Fan-dom Menace" and "Attack of the Clowns." This new series is probably going to be another slapstick cash-cow for Lucas.
Christ Vlad, you know what? I was shopping for my nephew's Christmas gifts in Toys R us the other day. You know what I saw? A new line of Star Wars toys...FOR TODDLERS!
I kid you not. They were little figures that were cutsified. their bodies were smooshed up and placed in friendly non-threatening poses.
Do you know how sick it is to see cut throat bounty hunters like Bossk and Dengar with big happy smiles on their faces? Bloody creepy.
Lucas just keeps sinking to a new lower common denominator(if that's even possible) to make money these days.
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Well, thats a shame. ROTS is going to make up for the two prequil movies however. And no one generally complains about the original trilogy, so all in all not bad. I guess its really just a view point. I tend to look at the series as a whole and judge it that way, not because of one or two installements which weren't really bad at all, just lacked some things which could have made them a little better. We have a way of comparing the new trilogy to the old and expecting the same experience and phenominon. Thats not possible or fair to ask of Lucas. The fact he's doing this in reverse is neat, but alot of people are complaining about it.
I actually read that the new series is not about Jango at all, as it takes place after ROTJ (ie- Dark Empire). It could easily become another Stargate SG-1, but distinctly Star Wars in nature. Since they aren't full motion pictures they can bend CG in such a way that its completely beneficial, and theres more acting involved on a weekly basis rather than in a two hour sitting.
Whats good about sci-fi and space opera type shows is that they can last indefinitely just because of the vastness of what can be done with a universe. I have a feeling it will be at least as popular as Stargate is.
I actually read that the new series is not about Jango at all, as it takes place after ROTJ (ie- Dark Empire). It could easily become another Stargate SG-1, but distinctly Star Wars in nature. Since they aren't full motion pictures they can bend CG in such a way that its completely beneficial, and theres more acting involved on a weekly basis rather than in a two hour sitting.
Whats good about sci-fi and space opera type shows is that they can last indefinitely just because of the vastness of what can be done with a universe. I have a feeling it will be at least as popular as Stargate is.
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Well, I hope you're right about ROTS. I'm a pessimst though. I hate to say it, but I figure that it's high time that Lucas throws in the towel.
On the other hand, maybe a SW series could be a redemption. But again, I'm not holding my breath.
As for comparing it to SG-1, I don't know. Looking at Lucas' other projects in the last few years, I figure the SW series might just have crappier writing. Of course, they might spend a little of the huge sums of Lucas' money to hire a decent writing team. Not to mention finding a director that...Well, that isn't Lucas.
On the other hand, maybe a SW series could be a redemption. But again, I'm not holding my breath.
As for comparing it to SG-1, I don't know. Looking at Lucas' other projects in the last few years, I figure the SW series might just have crappier writing. Of course, they might spend a little of the huge sums of Lucas' money to hire a decent writing team. Not to mention finding a director that...Well, that isn't Lucas.
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Well, the production would be from a Lucas-based company, so the scripts and story lines shouldn't be lack luster. If history and exclusive interviews have taught us anything, its that George Lucas is a VERY meticulous man who wants everything just so. While he will not personally oversee the tv series and he's bowing out of direct involvement of Star Wars in the forseeable future, its almost comforting to know that some branch of one of his companies is going to handle this. Its not going to be released strictly through say 20th Century Fox wherein Lucas waives all of his copyrights to the studio and thus risk that they'll turn it into something thats not strictly Star Wars.
As long as a Lucas-based company handles this project I think it will do well, and George will certainly be a presense, albeit not active. He'll be there to make sure things are running smoothly, and if he is involved he'll probably oversee the first season of presumed show. Although I do have to disagree with your opinion of him as a director. Thats like saying he has no business controlling his own creation. We wouldn't like Star Wars if he hadn't created it, it never would have existed. Furthermore, only he knows what he wants and what Star Wars really is.
The movies probably don't even come anywhere near to his imagination and what he what he would have wanted to expect to be possible. The fact we have anything at all though is a blessing, and he brought hope and fun back into the movie business in a time where the magic was gone and times were grim (I'm refering of course to the 60s and 70).
As long as a Lucas-based company handles this project I think it will do well, and George will certainly be a presense, albeit not active. He'll be there to make sure things are running smoothly, and if he is involved he'll probably oversee the first season of presumed show. Although I do have to disagree with your opinion of him as a director. Thats like saying he has no business controlling his own creation. We wouldn't like Star Wars if he hadn't created it, it never would have existed. Furthermore, only he knows what he wants and what Star Wars really is.
The movies probably don't even come anywhere near to his imagination and what he what he would have wanted to expect to be possible. The fact we have anything at all though is a blessing, and he brought hope and fun back into the movie business in a time where the magic was gone and times were grim (I'm refering of course to the 60s and 70).
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Of course, I don't want Lucas to be COMPLETELY cut out. ILM will definately give the series a HUGE leg up over other velevised Sci-Fi. It's just that, if lucas tries to become active in any of the shows ideas, we could see some problems.
I had already heard that during the trilogy(the original three) there was somebody working with Lucas(he quit around return of the jedi) that kept a lot of his low brow ideas in check. Apparantly, according to some SW fans, had this guy not taken control of certain ideas that Lucas had, and nipped them in the bud, a lot of the original trilogy would have ended up like Phantom menace. By that I mean jar jar.
As I said before, this co-worker left around the time that ROTJ came out...I understand how the ewoks came to be now.LOL.
I had already heard that during the trilogy(the original three) there was somebody working with Lucas(he quit around return of the jedi) that kept a lot of his low brow ideas in check. Apparantly, according to some SW fans, had this guy not taken control of certain ideas that Lucas had, and nipped them in the bud, a lot of the original trilogy would have ended up like Phantom menace. By that I mean jar jar.
As I said before, this co-worker left around the time that ROTJ came out...I understand how the ewoks came to be now.LOL.
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Well, that seems like conjecture and he could just be a disgruntled employee, its not unheard of to give interviews aimed to besmerch your former boss. Lucas got more support than he didn't and the only reason the big studio companies thought he was a joke (back then) was because they resented the fact that anyone would want to work outside of their jurisdiction.
We must remember George's humble beginnings as an independant film student and how he had the door shut in his face several times. The big studio companies saw it as spite that he persisted in doing Star Wars, when really, he's just a man that refused to compromise his vision and creation.
As far as Jar Jar Binks, the character was successful- it entertained children. It wasn't meant for adults or as "comic relief" as some thought the character was to be. Any comidic value the character posesses seems cheesy and subpar because adult fans forget that he's a character for the children specifically, and children eat him up.
As for George firing people, he had every right if they were not going to do this his way. No one knows Star Wars like George Lucas, and only he has a right to say what it ought to be. If you aren't there to make his vision a reality then you aren't needed. This isn't to say George has not allowed his staff and people to be individually expressive or put forth their own ideas. Quite actually, there are many people still to this day that make Star Wars what it is from the conceptual artists to the animators, and to the actors themselves and their performances.
In reality, George no longer has complete control over Star Wars, and he was willing to accept that if the series could be embraced more by those that would continue it and if they stood the test of time with him and didn't compromise how he wants it.
We have a way of pinning every failure or shortcoming on Lucas himself because it's his creation, and that is also not fair based on what I just said. Especially when you take into consideration that he allowed for the "expanded universe" and individual author stories depicting events that didn't necessarily happen in the canon of the series itself.
Getting back to the topic here (our topic anyway), George has acknowledged and given us a blueprint on how the series (presumable tv series) should run at first to tie up loose ends in the aftermath of ROTJ, if in fact its based anywhere in this timeline chronologically.
For instance, anyone who goes further than ROTJ knows Palpatine is not gone or dead and resurfaces 6 years after the battle of Endor.
Basically, the story has now panned out at this point, with the situations reversed. The New Republic is in the position of power and now the Empire is like the Rebel Alliance was, broken up and scattered but by no means defeated.
Theres also the individual character plots to consider, such as Luke's rise to the position of Jedi Master and Leia's Force training, her and Han's children, etc.
Although this may never happen, as Lucas has said before that the Skywalker story arc will be over once ROTS has been released. Its still possible he'll change his mind however. Theres alot to be done yet.
EDIT: We should stop, this isn't a SW thread and it is off topic in the sense thats its not about Hellraiser. So unless theres more talk about this including the original poster, I think we should stop out of consideration. I'm glad we had this chat though. 🙂
We must remember George's humble beginnings as an independant film student and how he had the door shut in his face several times. The big studio companies saw it as spite that he persisted in doing Star Wars, when really, he's just a man that refused to compromise his vision and creation.
As far as Jar Jar Binks, the character was successful- it entertained children. It wasn't meant for adults or as "comic relief" as some thought the character was to be. Any comidic value the character posesses seems cheesy and subpar because adult fans forget that he's a character for the children specifically, and children eat him up.
As for George firing people, he had every right if they were not going to do this his way. No one knows Star Wars like George Lucas, and only he has a right to say what it ought to be. If you aren't there to make his vision a reality then you aren't needed. This isn't to say George has not allowed his staff and people to be individually expressive or put forth their own ideas. Quite actually, there are many people still to this day that make Star Wars what it is from the conceptual artists to the animators, and to the actors themselves and their performances.
In reality, George no longer has complete control over Star Wars, and he was willing to accept that if the series could be embraced more by those that would continue it and if they stood the test of time with him and didn't compromise how he wants it.
We have a way of pinning every failure or shortcoming on Lucas himself because it's his creation, and that is also not fair based on what I just said. Especially when you take into consideration that he allowed for the "expanded universe" and individual author stories depicting events that didn't necessarily happen in the canon of the series itself.
Getting back to the topic here (our topic anyway), George has acknowledged and given us a blueprint on how the series (presumable tv series) should run at first to tie up loose ends in the aftermath of ROTJ, if in fact its based anywhere in this timeline chronologically.
For instance, anyone who goes further than ROTJ knows Palpatine is not gone or dead and resurfaces 6 years after the battle of Endor.
Basically, the story has now panned out at this point, with the situations reversed. The New Republic is in the position of power and now the Empire is like the Rebel Alliance was, broken up and scattered but by no means defeated.
Theres also the individual character plots to consider, such as Luke's rise to the position of Jedi Master and Leia's Force training, her and Han's children, etc.
Although this may never happen, as Lucas has said before that the Skywalker story arc will be over once ROTS has been released. Its still possible he'll change his mind however. Theres alot to be done yet.
EDIT: We should stop, this isn't a SW thread and it is off topic in the sense thats its not about Hellraiser. So unless theres more talk about this including the original poster, I think we should stop out of consideration. I'm glad we had this chat though. 🙂
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Yes, I agree. We should give this thread back to the subject...Sorry ROTTINGLIES. 😀
Thanks. I did enjoy this discussion. You make some valid points.
Alright...One thing I wonder about this potential Hellraiser series, is, will there be the rest of the Cenobytes(did I just spell that right?). I mean, it's not like we have to go in chronological order.
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Thanks. I did enjoy this discussion. You make some valid points.
Alright...One thing I wonder about this potential Hellraiser series, is, will there be the rest of the Cenobytes(did I just spell that right?). I mean, it's not like we have to go in chronological order.
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