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How Did You Feel About Joe Horn; The Man Who Killed His Neighbor's Burglars?

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Anyone hear about this story? Over in Texas a 61 year old man, Joe Horn, called 911 to report 2 men who broke into his neighbor's house. He said he had a shotgun and was going to take care of it. The 911 operator told Mr. Horn to stay inside his house and wait for the police.

Mr. Horn became enraged when no signs of the police were coming and when he saw the 2 men leaving the house he went outside with his shotgun. He fired 4 shots from his front door killing both robbers. The police showed up literally a few seconds after Mr. Horn fired.

Currently Mr. Horn is free and hasn't been prosecuted for anything and this is causing a national debate. Some say Mr. Horn was reckless and that he had no authority to fire his weapon in a resident zone; especially when told to stay inside his home. Others praised Mr. Horn calling him a hero and would wish he was their neighbor.

Here is a news article about this http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2007/11/27/shooting_of_burglars_in_texas_draws_debate/

What do you make of this? Agree or disagree?
 
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(shrugs)...I just feel sorry for the old man. The media's glare is gonna drive him insane and all he wanted probably was to do the right thing.
 
I think he did the right thing in doing something to prevent the burglars from escaping, but I don't really agree with him killing them. Even though when you break into somebody's home you are pretty much asking for bodily harm to be inflicted upon you. Thanks for posting about this.
 
Even though I don't agree with the killing part of it, it's hard to really rebuke the man for his actions. He was doing the best thing he could, as far as he knew, and if the police hadn't been so quick to arrive when they did no one would question his actions, vigilante justice though it was.
 
Well, he was trying to do the right thing, but he's 61 years old which left him no alternative but to use deadly force. Otherwise he would have found himself in the situation where the burglars would target him and either rob him or kill him.

Personally, I think he should go free. Criminals deserve what they get, even if it's death.
 
perhaps he could have aim for their legs to make them immobile, but how was he to know if his house was next? How many elderly citizens are killed during breakins to their homes? The right to bear arms is there for a reason. What he did will get him flayed alive by the ultra-liberal drive-by media here. 30 years ago, he would have been praised for his quick and decisive actions.
 
ive was listening to this case on the radio a few days ago,

personally i think the man should suffer no charges he was exercising his right to bear arms, the only problem is that it was not his own property. But as for if i agree with the man for what he did, i say yes, i most definitely agree.

my house was burglarized in january and if that man had seen it happening and shot the burglars, i would be very grateful to him.
 
As terrible a crime as burglary is, I cannot condone murder. If the old man's life had been in danger then there would be a case for self defense but this was plain murder. I think it should be taken into account his age and what level of danger he was in, but I think the case should be reviewed. Murder was not his only option.
 
i heard of this story a while back, they talked about it on a morning radio show that i listen to.

i'd have to say that i thought it was pretty funny and sweet at the same time,

i agree with Bob on this one...he's a 67 year old man from Texas, what did you expect?

they say "everyone has a gun in texas!", even grandpa lol
 
this is a tough call. the hollywood brother feels that the old dude was justitfied in the shooting. once you commit a crime, you kind of should lose some of your rights but the hollywood brother got to wonder what it like to take a person life and have to live with it afterwards
 
this is a tough call. the hollywood brother feels that the old dude was justitfied in the shooting. once you commit a crime, you kind of should lose some of your rights but the hollywood brother got to wonder what it like to take a person life and have to live with it afterwards

yeah, once you commit a crime you should lose some rights, lol and the burglars lost their rights to live

no im kidding, i don't think you deserve to die just because you robbed someone, BUT if you are shot and killed while doing so, then well...i can't completly feel sorry for you
 
From what I understand is happening in Texas, if those damned police officers would quit stopping people in their cars for not wearing seat belts, they could get to robberies alot more quickly.
 
I don't think that it is legal to shoot a burglar in most jurisdictions unless the burglar is threatening someone's life. Although I would have acted differently, I can understand why the elderly gentleman acted as he did.

From what I understand is happening in Texas, if those damned police officers would quit stopping people in their cars for not wearing seat belts, they could get to robberies alot more quickly.

I agree completely. Our local police are just as bad; they waste so much time investigating ridiculous minor "crimes" that it can take them an hour to respond to real crimes.
 
From what I understand is happening in Texas, if those damned police officers would quit stopping people in their cars for not wearing seat belts, they could get to robberies alot more quickly.


lol i agree
 
He probably saved his neighbors life.I am disappointed at the police they should have been there more quickly! Why are we focusing all of our attention on a good citizen when we should be reprimanding the terrible and careless police officers who may as well have forced this elderly citizen (and basically did) to put his life in danger and do the job they signed up for!If the police had gotten there sooner he wouldn't have had to go out there and shoot the burglars.
 
lol the funny thing is, is he didn't give the cops a chance to arrive there lol. he called 911 and reported it and while he was on the phone with them he started saying, "im going to shoot them, they're going to get away" ,or something along those lines. so he shot just to make sure that they wouldn't escape but im pretty sure he didn't intend to kill them
 
he didn't wait at all! lol, As he was talking to the 911 opertated the men started to get away and he said, "im not going to let them get away, im going to shoot them", and the operated she tried to tell him not to do it, but he did, while he was on the phone with her.
 
At least I'm not the only one who doesn't see this as fully justifiable. For one, the burglars were not on his property, therefore he did not have the legal right to shoot them dead. Also, were the neighbors home? Were their lives in danger? If not, then the burglars just broke in and stole property. Hardly a crime punishable by death. The RIGHT thing that should've been done, was let the police handle this. Mr. Horn should've gotten down what they looked like, their vehicle (I'm assuming they had a vehicle of some sorts), and any other info to give to the police. That way, the criminals could've been caught by the police and put in jail, not in a coffin.

Plus, this was a residential area. Think about it...children, pedestrians, pets, property. Running out with a shotgun blazing put innocent lives at risk, even if there was no one around. Not to mention, it took away 2 lives that might've made a difference sometime down the road. It's not always "Once a criminal, always a criminal". These were 2 human lives he took, and even if he was in the heat of the moment and acted on instinct, these are two lives that can never be brought back.

When has stolen property ever been worth more than a life?
 
I don't think he should be punished for this unless it's a fine maybe.Thees two men were criminals and had to pay a price for that unfortunately for them it was with their lives.I'm sorry if that is harsh,but you play with fire and you get burned.
 
The Verdict Is In, No Charges For Mr. Horn

Well the jury (The Grand Jury) is in and have made their decision.
No charges to be filed.
Here is the report from the AP.
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HOUSTON - Ever since he fatally shot two men he suspected of burglarizing his next-door neighbor's home, 62-year-old Joe Horn has been both praised and vilified for his actions.

Horn called 911 and told the dispatcher he had a shotgun and was going to kill the intruders. The dispatcher pleaded with him not to go outside, but a defiant Horn confronted the men with a 12-gauge shotgun and shot both in the back.

Some community activists wanted Horn to face charges for the deaths. Supporters of the retired grandfather said what he did was justified under the law.

After listening to evidence in the case, including testimony from Horn himself, a grand jury on Monday cleared him of the shootings.

"He wasn't acting like a vigilante. He didn't want to do it," said Tom Lambright, Horn's attorney.

Lambright said Horn was not a "wild cowboy" who took the law into his own hands after he saw the two suspected burglars, with bags in hand, crawling out of windows from his neighbor's home on Nov. 14 in the Houston suburb of Pasadena. The neighbor was out of town at the time.

Instead, Horn was a frightened retiree who tried to defend his neighbor's property and when the two men came onto his yard and threatened him, Horn defended himself, Lambright said.

"He was scared. He was in fear of his life," he said.

Grand jurors had to consider two issues in the case: the intentional killing of another person and whether the killing was justified either by self-defense or the defense of property, Harris County District Attorney Kenneth Magidson told reporters.

"I understand the concerns of some in the community regarding Mr. Horn's conduct," Magidson said. "The grand jury concluded that Mr. Horn's use of deadly force did not rise to a criminal offense."

Texas law allows people to use deadly force to protect themselves if it is reasonable to believe they are in mortal danger. In limited circumstances, people also can use deadly force to protect their neighbor's property; for example, if a homeowner asks a neighbor to watch over his property while he's out of town. It's not clear whether the neighbor whose home was burglarized asked Horn to watch over his house.

Frank Ortiz, a member of the local League of United Latin American Citizens chapter, said he hopes federal authorities investigate the case further.

"That's amazing that they would no-bill him with so much evidence against him," Ortiz told the Houston Chronicle in Monday's online edition. "This was no more than a vigilante."

Horn did not speak with reporters on Monday.

A large red sign with the words "No Trespass" on it blocked the path to his front door and a handwritten sign on the door said "Please no media," "No Trespassing" and "Do not knock or ring bell." A couple of neighbors also had signs on their doors asking media to leave them alone.

A few police cars patrolled the area near Horn's home.

The two suspected burglars, Hernando Riascos Torres, 38, and Diego Ortiz, 30, were unemployed illegal immigrants from Colombia. Torres was deported to Colombia in 1999 after a 1994 cocaine-related conviction.

The city of Pasadena, where protesters and defenders of Horn engaged in counter-demonstrations, pledged to keep its police force staffed enough to protect its citizens.

Keith Hampton, a Houston attorney not connected with the case, said he didn't expect Horn to be indicted. "This is a real conservative county," he said. "A lot of folks in Houston and Harris County are saying this man was doing a good thing."

In the 911 call, a dispatcher urges Horn to stay inside his house and not risk lives.

"Don't go outside the house," the 911 operator pleaded. "You're going to get yourself shot if you go outside that house with a gun. I don't care what you think."

"You want to make a bet?" Horn answered. "I'm going to kill them."

After the shooting, he redialed 911.

"I had no choice," he said, his voice shaking. "They came in the front yard with me, man. I had no choice. Get somebody over here quick."
 
I see it as, though wrong because he ended up killing them, fine. In the heat of the moment he couldn't think of their own safety; simply ending the problem as quickly as possible, which-with his shotgun in hand- meant fatally ending it for the burglars. I don't approve of his methods of stopping them, but I approve of him stopping them and disallowing them from robbing anyone else again. In this case, ever.
 
Kudos to him. If someone is robbing my house, they are going to be shot, and not wounded. Dead victims can't sue. The only difference is if I see someone going into my neighbors house and robbing it, I will yell a warning first, but of they make any moves towards me, I will open fire. The problem is my neighbors are my family, and we all are armed. 🙂
I live in the country , and guns are normal around here. If he had wounded them, how did he know they couldn't bring a gun out and shoot back?

And I know this will tick some people off, but they were illegally here, as in they committed a crime as soon as they crossed the border, then they continued to commit crimes. I have no sympathy for them whatsoever.

Plus, if he fired 4 shots and killed 2 guys, he is a decent shot. In a stressful sit like that, thats a great record.

Anyhoo, my little rant and applause is done. CYA
 
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