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How Many Children Died in 9/11

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I know this isn't exactly a happy go lucky topic, but I want the exact numbers if possible. How many kids died in the WTC attack, and what was the % of non americans. I have to put and O/L friend in her place so this is impotant to me. Sorry for bring back any and all bad memories.
 
Sorry to sound high and mighty on you, but I have to post this.

As an American, and as a New Yorker, I take offense (although I'm sure you meant none) when you say "I want the exact numbers" of our children and family that perished at the hands of cowardly assholes who hide in fucking caves. I'm sorry, but an online "bet" is, to me, a silly reason to want to know stats and figures of the worst tragedy we've faced as a nation. I wish everyone could have been there, to watch the blood flowing, to hear the people screaming and crying. To smell the awful, indescribable smell that, to this day, permeates my town. Perhaps then, people might realize that this was not a statistic to be flouted and celebrated, but rather a reminder that the world has bitten the hand that has, for so many years, fed it; that has nurtured it, and continues to do so, despite the fact that we, as a nation are called war-mongers and criminals... We are still handing our resources over to third world nations that rebuke us as empire builders.
And still, people do not understand; even some in this nation have no idea what 9/11 truly meant.

How many people died in the Holocaust?
The Armory ship in Halifax?
The Titanic?
The Amrican South in the 60s?
The bombing on Hiroshima?
The bombing on Nagasaki?

I need to know because I'm having an argument about it.

I think we deserve more respect than that. I think we've earned it.
 
I don't know where to find exact numbers, but people from something like 51 different countries died. These idiots were worse than anything; they didn't attack just America, they randomly killed a cross section of the world. Hitler, Idi Amin, Stalin... even they weren't that randomly brutal, and they were BAD guys!

I don't think there's a bet here, I think there's a debate going on. I got into a similar one with a guy online as well, and specifics would have helped my case (i.e., he was suggsetsing that we desreved 9/11 and we needed to pull out of Afghanistan be cause he had gotten our revenge. I had to enlighten him and the facts helped. Looking for hard facts is cold, but not disrespectful.)
 
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phatteus said:
How many people died in the Holocaust?
The Armory ship in Halifax?
The Titanic?
The Amrican South in the 60s?
The bombing on Hiroshima?
The bombing on Nagasaki?


1/ Around six million I think.
2/ Not heard of it. (Sorry.)
3/ Between two and three thousand. (If you're refering to deaths assosciated with things like the Watts riots and the black civil rights movements.)
4/ About 80,000 in the first 5 minutes and another 30,000 from radiation sickness and after effects.
5/ About 35,000 in the first 5 minutes and another 20,000 from the after effects. (Bigger bomb, 4 times bigger in fact, but the local geography contained the explosion because of nearby mountains.)


Who was the guy who wrote that book tieler? I've heard some crazy theories in my time, but that one sounds a bit off the wall, even to me.
Good point for saying that "Nothing wrong with wanting to get the facts straight, i believe we need more of that type of curiosity. If it's just to settle a bet, well then it is morbid at best. But it does not dishoner anyones memory. We should get the facts straight. Not knowing the facts leads to the type of stupidity..." I agree with all of that. Digging for facts is a vital part of affirming our humanity.

My sympathies Phatteus. That must have been king-shit to have had to have lived through man. I'm looking forward to the day when I can visit the gardens they're going to build on Ground Zero and lay a wreath there.
 
BigJim said:

Who was the guy who wrote that book tieler? I've heard some crazy theories in my time, but that one sounds a bit off the wall, even to me.


I've heard of this guy in Newsweek. He's French I believe, and it was the French press that broke the story. He wrote a book called something like "The Conspiracy" or "The Fraude", something like that, that's the English translation of the title. His main charge was that, using the laws of physics, the destruction caused at the Pentagon couldn't have been done by an airplane (not enough wreckage left, the impacct pattern left in the ground wasn't right, no video of the actual crash, etc...). There were a few webs sites after 9/11 devoted to claims of fraude and conspiracy relating to the attacks. I went to a Yahoo Group called Palestinian Confessions. There's some facinating stuff there, if you're into rants, government mind control, etc..... A few good, real and eye opening stories about being a Palestinian living in Isreal, and then a lot of insane stuff about how bad the West is in all ways 100% of the time under any circumstance. One theory posted there - well, it was more than a theory to the poster - was that there were NO Arab hijackers, the planes were guided into their targets by radio, it was physically impossible for the buildings to fall the way they did had they been hit by airplanes, all the explosions occcured by preset explosives (including the other 6 or so smaller buildings that came down around the twin towers), and on and on. Great conspiracy stuff, but WAY far from the reality of the facts.
 
No Bet involved.

This wasn't done to settle a bet Phatteus, and I never said it was. It was to put an anti-American friend of mine in there place. It's amazing that a good guy like Scooby could come from the same country as you.

(GR violation editted out)
 
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Re: No Bet involved.

SlaverTickler said:
This wasn't done to settle a bet Phatteus, and I never said it was.

I had a similar debate going with someone from Europe. He was anti- action in Afghanistan, saying how the U.S. was only getting revenge and it had gotten it since we had only been "hit once" and he kept going on about his experince with Arab Muslims, based on spending 18 months in Morrocco a decade ago (and even then he was arrested by the corrupt local police - HIS words).

I had to mention to him that my sister had spent a short time in numerous Arab countries and my dad had spent extended time in them as a researcher for Mobil, before, during and after so much anti American sentiment. Also had to point out that Whil the US was the primary target, the West in general was the symbolic target of attack, so it wasn't just about us being hit "once"....

On the other hand, I mixed it up with another fellow American who was peeved that a Canadian was against the Iraq invasion. The Canadian believed his gov't had a say in the invasion becuase his/your country was a "Western" country and Canadians had also died in 9/11. The American's brillina answer was "more Americans died".... so apparently there's some kind of value scale to American vs. Canadian lives when it comes to a civil debate about something that, honestly, none of us really have any power over anyway. So I simply let the Canadian guy know that it was terribel what happened to everyone and he should still feel free to speak his opinion. Which I'm sure he would have done anyway, but, you know....

So rest assured, ST, there's good Americans, bad Americans, and a bunch of 'em in between. I don't think Phatteus is a dick, I think he'sfilled with American pride and still anguished over something tremedously unbeleivable that happened in his back yard. But I never though it was about a bet, either. Stay strong my brother, power to the people, Sydney or The Bush!
 
Back to the original question, at least four children aged 2-4 died on the planes that I'm aware of. I don't recall reading any other ages lower than 18+/-.
 
Oddjob0226 said:
Great conspiracy stuff, but WAY far from the reality of the facts.

Hmmmm. I've not read the book, but I have to wonder if anything he said ties in with what I'm going to say in parts 3 and 4.
 
It was a she...

The friend was a she, and apart from her anti-American centiments she isn't an evil person. I was in favor of the US going in to the middle--east both times. I love my American brothers and sisters, and I do consider them such because mutual British forfathers'.

I am a pround Mother Canucker myself, and I wouldn't even think someone would make a bet based on how many kids had died in something a bad as 911. Phatteus is proof that even to much of a good thing(pride in one's country in this case) can be bad. Like I said to begin with I was/am sorry if this topic brought back any bad memories but I just wanted some info to but a friend in her place. I won't be posting on this topic again.
 
well, Phatteus, and other lovers of america: youre country is cool. love the constitution. love the freedom of speech. love democracy. love the optimism. love your intellectuals. love a small chunk of your humour.

now that i have buttered you up:

i dislike your "president" (a pissweak shit whom the populace nevertheless rallies around in times of crisis...good sheep...). i am repelled by your racist history, your culture of fear. i am disturbed by your guns. but most of all, i weep at your army. not the soldiers (at least not those who are good at heart), but the ethos, its MO. i hate the people in power, some of whom should be tried for crimes vs. humanity.

lets talk:

Hiroshima...hmmm, wasnt that an American bomb that got dropped? thanks for the figured, but they seem too low. you may argue that it was a strategic victory, but it was in fact largely political, to prevent the soviet capture of Japan, among other things. admittedly, it did destroy the Japanese fighting spirit, and they had done some really bad stuff, especially to the chinese, but 165,000 people? jeez! and most of those were civillians!

again, the american south. enough stated.

how about the casualties for the Gulf war? 70,000. children. not counting the 500,000 killed by malnutrition.

the second one should be slightly less harsh than the first, but still: god.

lets talk about another september 11: the bombing of the Chilean presidential palace, the residence of benevolent, democratically elected communist prez Allende. who did uncle sam replace him with? Pinochet!

America has propped up countless other dictators and tyrants, most notably Sadam Hussein, giving him weapons to fight off Iran. great job mate!

i could say more, but i'm just going to curl up and cry myself to a nice semicoma.:sowrong:
 
Wow! Lots of great opinions and facts!

First, let me say to Slaver: I'm sorry if my comments came across as offensive and / or derogatory towards you personally. I did not mean any harm against a good person such as yourself, and I hope that any hard feelings can be quickly laid to rest. (I am a good person, and I do not think that I am the problem with my country; while we do have many problems, I am the least of them)

To BigJim, thank you for your kind words of sympathy. There is no way for me to explain the pain that I felt watching the towers fall, having seen them through my bedroom window for so many years. But that pain is miniscule next to the people who perished, or were forced to escape. The hundreds of police and firefighters, the so called "innocents" (although in the case of the World Trade Center, I think all casualties could be considered innocents, unless you think "all Americans are responsible for the atrocities in the world."

To Tieler, and everyone else who cares, I haven't heard of this French (expletive deleted) who wrote this book that you are all talking about, but I can tell you that a plane hit the Pentagon. If you would indulge me for a moment, let me relate a little story for you.

Tuesday, September 11, 2001. It was warm with a slight haze in the air.. Unseasonable for theat time of year. I woke up and went to work as I normally do at 6:30. Slightly after 9:00 the security guard came to me and said, laughing, two planes just went WAY off course and hit the world trade center. I immediately asked him if anyone was hurt, and he said he wasn't sure. I called my father, (who hadn't woken up yet, and told him to turn on the TV. Hanging up the telephone, I went to the company's break room... the only room with a radio. This was now the most crowded area of the building. The reporter, a nameless staff guy for syndicated news was reporting from the Pentagon, and was about to get to speak with an expert on national security, when the so called expert got a "call" on his earpiece thing. He audibly said "Oh my God" which was followed by an explosion and people yelling. The reporter was screaming "The Pentagon has now been hit. The nation is under attack!" He was then cut off. In a panic, I ran to the telephone and called my father again, who could only say "This is the worst thing I have ever seen." I asked him what they were saying on the TV. And he said "There's only one now." Only one what? "The other one is falling now." He told me calmly. We were dismissed from work, with the exception of twenty people to work double shifts to get medical supplies to those who needed it, not knowing that there was no one left alive, nor would supplies be allowed over the bridges for another few weeks. Driving home, I heard on my car radio about the 4th plane, and had to pull off the road, crying tears of pride for the bravery exemplified aboard that plane over Pennsylvania.

And finally, to AussieMonkey (I love your name) I do not disagree with most of your statements. I am sorry that I do not know much about the Chilean bombing(s), but yes, Hiroshima and Nagasaki were ravaged by US dropped bombs. Perhaps the US made a bad decision in using nuclear weapons at that time, but I think that the thinking was that the "Japs" had bombed us at Pearl Harbor, and we wanted a quick end to the war. Well, we got it, didn't we?

The Gulf War? Does anyone remember why we went in there in the first place? Saddam Hussein had, prior to 1991, attempted to eradicate a race of people, placed them in death camps, subjected them to biological and chemical weapons, (which he may or may not still have, probably not though) and gave his insane son free reign to torture the rest of them to death. Then, in Early 1991, Hussein decided that it would be a great idea to take over a small country next to his. Now I don't know about you, but this is starting to sound like a documentary about that little leather-clad guy in Germany. The atrocities of Hitler DIRECTLY led to the events of the Second World War. George H. Bush and his cabinet saw this, and chose to act to remove Saddam from power. Hussein, like the true warrior that he is, went into hiding. Rather than kill countless more innocents, Bush Sr. left the country still in Hussein's power.
Now, George W. Bush, while not exactly the sharpest nail in the board, decided to go back and finish the job. Yeah, he had some cock and bull story about Weapons of Mass Destruction, and tried to justify it in every which way, but it was simply a continuation of the operation that was never finished. (Clinton was too busy getting blow jobs and lying to the world to worry about national security)
So here we are, in the aftermath of the second Gulf War, and what has been accomplished? Very Little. But I stand behind my nation in this ideal, that cruel dictatorship MUST be stopped. We're all concerned about Peace in the Middle East. That will never be accomplished while murderous tyrants rule nations.
 
Re: Wow! Lots of great opinions and facts!

phatteus said:
I think all casualties could be considered innocents, unless you think "all Americans are responsible for the atrocities in the world."
No my friend, no more than all British are responsible for the atrocities in Ireland. I don't agree with the alleged muslims knocking the towers down any mre than I agree with the IRA planting nail bombs in shopping malls full of women and children.
It's about time we stopped seeing people as being deliniated by national boundaries. People feel as if the nation that has caused them grief, has somehow transfered their guilt on to it's citizens. Sad.......


phatteus said:
but yes, Hiroshima and Nagasaki were ravaged by US dropped bombs. Perhaps the US made a bad decision in using nuclear weapons at that time, but I think that the thinking was that the "Japs" had bombed us at Pearl Harbor, and we wanted a quick end to the war. Well, we got it, didn't we?
Oddly enough, no you didn't. The following is a simplification of the events of 1945........

Allies: Hey-up you slant-eyed nips, we've got a new superweapon that we'll twat you with if you don't unconditionally surrender to us.

Japanese: Not on your flucking nelly! We'll sullender on our own terms, or you can go fluck yourselves!

Allies: Eat this Hiroshima! *Hiroshima is nuked* Now will you surrender to us unconditionally?

Japanese: You gotta flucking hearing ploblem you bunch of plicks? We sullender on our terms or none at all!

Allies: Saionara Nagasaki! *Nagasaki is nuked* Now will you surrender Japan?

Japanese: We will not flucking sullender unconditionally. We sullender under our own terms, or never!

Allies: Okay then, sign here.........

The Allies accepted the same terms of surrender that Japan had offered BEFORE the double nuke-job! The war could've ended in exactly the same way without the hundreds of thousands of innocent nuclear victims being flambeyed alive. I've written quite extensively about this and it's effects in my 9/11 threads, so I won't repeat it all hear. Let's just say it had the desired effect. The world spent the next 50 or so years being shit scared of the other side during the cold war. Divide and seperate. It worked.

phatteus said:
The Gulf War? Does anyone remember why we went in there in the first place? Saddam Hussein had, prior to 1991, attempted to eradicate a race of people, placed them in death camps, subjected them to biological and chemical weapons, (which he may or may not still have, probably not though) and gave his insane son free reign to torture the rest of them to death. Then, in Early 1991, Hussein decided that it would be a great idea to take over a small country next to his.
Another thing I wrote about a lot in my 2nd 9/11 thread. The Allies damn near encouraged Saddam to invade and then did fuck all about it, until he was deep enough inside Kuwait to not be able to extricate himself. Cue instant public service broadcast, thinly disguised as a "war" that was the military equivalent of putting Bob Hope in the ring with Lennox Lewis.

phatteus said:
Now I don't know about you, but this is starting to sound like a documentary about that little leather-clad guy in Germany. The atrocities of Hitler DIRECTLY led to the events of the Second World War. But I stand behind my nation in this ideal, that cruel dictatorship MUST be stopped. We're all concerned about Peace in the Middle East. That will never be accomplished while murderous tyrants rule nations.
Well let's talk about dictatorships. And I want all members of the "eye for an eye" brigade out there, to pay special attention to this. Now true Hitler was a political genius and a brilliant public orator. Without those talents a homicidal magalomaniac could'nt have done what he did and caused so much suffering. However........ Does anyone believe the people of Germany just fell hook line and sinker for this arsehole when he tripped along? Not for a flucking minute di they fall for the plick. WE, that is US, the ALLIES created the fertile ground for Hitler to sow his filthy, rascist seeds in. How? A number of ways. Firstly it was people like the Henry Ford and Prescott Bush (the grandfather of George W. bush if you're interested) bankrolling the evil bastard and secondly it was reducing Germany to such a state of misery that they welcomed him like the Second Coming of Christ! We (that is the people who masquerade as our freely elected leaders) screwed Germany into the ground following the 1st World War and reduced it to a state of poverty similar to Czar-ist Russia. People were dying od hunger and inflation was so bad that people were carrying their salary home in wheelbarrows in the form of worthlwess bank-notes. WE created that place. US. OUR countries. We decided that Germany had caused so much trouble in the 1st war that they would pay for it. As one British General said in the press... "We'll squeeze the German lemon until the pips squeak!" Ugh! :disgust: Because of our lust for "an eye for an eye" we created that atmosphere necessary for the most evil man in recorded history to take his throne. PErhaps it was all as neatly orchestrated and planned as the two Gulf Wars were, perhaps not. I'll find out more about very shortly, but there's enough here to make anyone think about who to call "brutal dictators" who make innocent citizen's lives a misery, before looking further from home to find somenoe who fits the profile.
 
Thank you, Jim, for this information. Obviously you have more knowledge about these subjects than I do, so I won't insult you by pretending to argue any of these subjects...

Let's all get along!!!!
 
phatteus said:
Thank you, Jim, for this information. Obviously you have more knowledge about these subjects than I do, so I won't insult you by pretending to argue any of these subjects...

Let's all get along!!!!

Sorry mate, no offence intended. I do get heated about these subjects, but I don't mean to make you feel that I was blasting at yourself personally; I was adressing the floor in general. 🙂

Beer? 😀
 
OOOH!

No offense taken at all, I simply meant that I didn't want to sound silly trying to debate against someone with better knowledge of world history than I.
 
i can back Jim up on this: this is a classic case of economics interconnected to politics. germany was invested in by American big business, and for a time, it was good. then, BOOM! the depression, resulting in a withdrawal of funding, plunging Germany into economic slump. Hitler probably would have never come into power were it not for German economic disgruntlement. but dont forget, BigJimmy, the racist seeds that hitler spread were preexistent within German and european philosophy. many "intellectual" racists were expounding their ideas long before hitler, and antisemitism had been around as long as there had been Jews to recieve it. racism has been a factor within society from the beggining. it is up to us to never judge a person by how they look, what their nationality is. and yet...and yet it is so easy. it seems almost that our minds welcome a chance to stereotype. indeed, we love placing things into a definite set of attributes and circumstances, as the "rise of rationality" displays. the basic tenets of biology were that things can be grouped together.

anyway, i dont hate races: i hate mindsets. people who state that war is an unavoidable necessity of todays society are bullshitting: a society without war is perfectly plausible. this argument has been the main rationalisation for a strong military force, to protect from the "other". xenophobia and divisiveness are necessary components of war. in a united world, such things should not exist, and the US news, military, and politicians are ensuring that a united world does not eventuate by stressing this fear of the other.

anyway, hope i gave you some food for thought.
 
AussieMonkey said:
Hitler probably would have never come into power were it not for German economic disgruntlement.
True, but there was more to it than that. The whole world was in a depression, but Germany was knocked down, beaten, kicked, stamped on and generally shafted up the arse. I used it as a classical case of eye for an eye having a detrimental effect, rather than politics being tied to economics. The two ARE tied very strongly and you are right in the points you made, but I was talking about something slightly different. Interesting stuff though...

AussieMonkey said:
but dont forget, BigJimmy, the racist seeds that hitler spread were preexistent within German and european philosophy. many "intellectual" racists were expounding their ideas long before hitler, and antisemitism had been around as long as there had been Jews to recieve it.
Oh for sure, Hitler didn't invent them. What he did do though, was use the situation our lust for revenge created, to focus them.
He used the excuse of Jews owning banks and businesses for bankrupting Germans. Total crap of course. Winston Churchill and Jan Smutts both rated the economic prosperity of their nations by the amount of Jews who lived there. Their way of thinking was, that the more Jews, the mre money and the more business. Maybe Hitler just used it as an excuse because he was jealous of the Jews? He had plenty to be jealous about. I for one would never want to live in a country that picks a fight with Israel. Those guys have the most talented pilots and the best security forces in the world.


AussieMonkey said:
and the US news, military, and politicians are ensuring that a united world does not eventuate by stressing this fear of the other.
That is true, but it's not a USA conspiracy. The conspiracy exists all over the world and is controlled mainly from the City of London. America is currently the seat of most visible political and military power at the moment, which is why it seems as if the US is ruining the world. It isn't and even if it was, it would be more accurate to say that "people based in the US are ruining the world". The actual people of the US are fine friends. The people who cause all the shit aren't "American" any more than the Rothschild banking family are "Jewish". They claim to be of course, because they can call anyone who trys to confront them "anti-semitic" and damn them to PR hell for all eternity, but this is the banking familly who offered Franz Botha the opportunity to invest money hidden in Swiss bank accounts in South Africa's Aparteid regime. Quite naughty yes, but extremely naughty when you consider this money was originally confiscated from Jewish people during the holocaust! And this family claim to be Jewish?

Did you read my two posted 9/11 threads AM? I'd be interested to hear anything you've got to say about them if you have.
If you havn't, they can be found at these two respective links.

http://www.ticklingforum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=28158&highlight=9/11

http://www.ticklingforum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=28644&highlight=9/11
 
phatteus said:
OOOH!

No offense taken at all, I simply meant that I didn't want to sound silly trying to debate against someone with better knowledge of world history than I.

Cool man, glad you don't think I was dissing ya. 🙂
 
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