i want some opinions. nao!

[TyrantRaveAB]

certain questions appear in historic thought:
what finally does it mean to be human?
how do i live up to full human standards?
what is the purpose of any person or all people together?

i have my ideas, but i want to see what others will say too, ya know?

and, try to think of these questions in the "bigger picture" sense, try not to be self-subjective in a response, as in "i live up to full human standards because i say/feel i do." while that may be true its too narrow.

 

[melanie2]

what finally does it mean to be human?to be human is to have a soul...
how do i live up to full human standards? you just live each day to the best you can...that's what i feel anyway anymore..what is the full human standard? it varies from person or human to human...for some the human standard is finding a roof over their head at night..that's what living up to their full human standard means to them...see it's different for everyone..
what is the purpose of any person or all people together..you have to decide what your purpose is on your own..no one else can tell me my purpose in life..at one time i thought it was to be a wonderful mother..wrong...at another time i thought it was to be a great flute performer...wrong..my purpose in life is to make those around me as happy as possible..

 

[TyrantRaveAB]

what finally does it mean to be human?to be human is to have a soul...
how do i live up to full human standards? you just live each day to the best you can...that's what i feel anyway anymore..what is the full human standard? it varies from person or human to human...for some the human standard is finding a roof over their head at night..that's what living up to their full human standard means to them...see it's different for everyone..
what is the purpose of any person or all people together..you have to decide what your purpose is on your own..no one else can tell me my purpose in life..at one time i thought it was to be a wonderful mother..wrong...at another time i thought it was to be a great flute performer...wrong..my purpose in life is to make those around me as happy as possible..

to be human is to have a soul. thats a fine answer. but can you better define "soul" i mean, ive heard many things about what a soul is, i just want to know what YOU mean by it. is a soul an outside spiritual entity? or is it just a composition of thoughts, memories, and dreams?
i dont disagree with you at all that living up to human standard is in reality different from one person to another, but im asking the question on a more grand scale. i guess what im asking for is a universal human standard, not a self-subjective one. i mean, because one persons standard can be much MUCH lower from someone elses, or vice versa.
i understand where youre coming from on the what is the purpose of any person or all people, but once again i would have to argue that thats too self subjective, i mean, what youre saying is that each person defines his/her own purpose (keep in mind im asking for the bigger picture of this concept). and thats not really bad to an extent. but one may argue that if one defines his own purpose why cant my purpose be robbing? or killing? or rape? thats what i mean by its too self-subjective.
but what do you think about the purpose of all people together? what is the universal purpose or reason for that?

 

[kopfhorer1]

certain questions appear in historic thought:
what finally does it mean to be human?
how do i live up to full human standards?
what is the purpose of any person or all people together?...

"The meaning of life is...money first, pussy second, and gettin' high third!" - respondent to comic and interviewer Mal Sharpe's question about the meaning of life, 1980.

 

[TyrantRaveAB]

"The meaning of life is...money first, pussy second, and gettin' high third!" - respondent to comic and interviewer Mal Sharpe's question about the meaning of life, 1980.

cant argue with that! :laughing:

 

[melanie2]

yikes Tyrant..i can't think that deeply...a soul is that part of the person that lives on after we die..the soul contains the light of us..when we die, that light fades from our eyes..it's the soul leaving the body..if you die with your eyes open, the light can actually be seen to leave the eyes..leaving the eyes a blank marble look..

and that reminds me..i don't think only human beings have a soul...i know for a fact my chelsea has one..you can see it in her eyes..the love flowing out..i don't remember seeing that in my other cats..

and uh if your purpose is to rape or kill, well so be it..i believe some are born with certain traits in tact..like Ted Bundy..i do believe his purpose was to kill...

ah well..i'm not making sense..i'll stick to political threads like microwave popcorn vs air popped...😉

 

[RedMan01]

I'm gonna sound all sappy here but I think the purpose of life is love, to find that one person who makes you complete, like the Greeks reckoned, someone who completely satiates each type of love, selfless, caring and sexual. As to what is a spirit, it is our very conscious selves which connects each with each other. In my religion,all peopel are connected through a collective unconscious if you will and when we harm others we harm ourselves, just as u do good u do good for urself too

 

[Senshi1]

I think to be human is just a species. We're no better or worse than other creatures, just different. And we seem like the most important because of our perspective of being humans. Other animals, especially in remote areas, probably don't think humans are all that important, not like their own species.

You know what they say - if horses could draw, they'd draw God as a horse.

 

[TyrantRaveAB]

yikes Tyrant..i can't think that deeply...a soul is that part of the person that lives on after we die..the soul contains the light of us..when we die, that light fades from our eyes..it's the soul leaving the body..if you die with your eyes open, the light can actually be seen to leave the eyes..leaving the eyes a blank marble look..

and that reminds me..i don't think only human beings have a soul...i know for a fact my chelsea has one..you can see it in her eyes..the love flowing out..i don't remember seeing that in my other cats..

and uh if your purpose is to rape or kill, well so be it..i believe some are born with certain traits in tact..like Ted Bundy..i do believe his purpose was to kill...

ah well..i'm not making sense..i'll stick to political threads like microwave popcorn vs air popped...😉

i totally agree with you on the soul thing personally. but one might say that a "soul" is only of existance while a human being is still alive, ehh, but "soul" is hard to explain. a soul plays more into philosophical dualism. but, i digress. one may say that a "soul" and all its components may be broken down into smaller components, this is called reductionism, how this applies: the soul leaving the body and a persons eyes turn marble. the hard reductionist would say that there is no soul and that the eyes turn marble due to a natural cause coinsiding with death. lack of blood flow or something like that. so, something other than the shine in someones eyes may be used to describe a soul, no?
although some ppl may actually believe their purpose is to kill, and rape and what-not it still goes against the grain of the society he was in, and begs the question of the meaning or value behind his actions. if that honestly is what Bundy believed his life calling was then couldnt one say he was being extremely self centered and greedy? im not saying that fullfilling ones self interest is necissarily a bad thing, but there does seem to be an order of checks and balances in ones society that one must abide by.
popcorn, lulz.

 

[TyrantRaveAB]

I'm gonna sound all sappy here but I think the purpose of life is love, to find that one person who makes you complete, like the Greeks reckoned, someone who completely satiates each type of love, selfless, caring and sexual. As to what is a spirit, it is our very conscious selves which connects each with each other. In my religion,all peopel are connected through a collective unconscious if you will and when we harm others we harm ourselves, just as u do good u do good for urself too

so to be human and live up to full human standards is to love? i cant argue against that! lol but what if someone loves something that the rest of society deems bad or unhealthy? like with what izzy was talking about with Bundy. im sure Mr. Bundy fully loved all the terrible things that he did, but does this mean he is fullfilling human standard and potential?

i would be agreeable that there is a collective unconscious of some sort, but what is the purpose of that in relation to any person or all people together?

is there a difference between a soul and a spirit??

 

[RedMan01]

Well

Spirit in what is in my liquor lol, I think personally a spirit is the same as a soul, just another word as spirit is from Latina Esprite bmeaning the same thing.

As to Ted Bundy, in our belief no one is born to destroy life, no one is born with a will to maim, because of all the evils we become corrupted, all lief in our belief is precious (hence we don't eat meat). We believe you are born neutral to good and must achieve higher states and let go of the scars to make your Soul fly

 

[TyrantRaveAB]

I think to be human is just a species. We're no better or worse than other creatures, just different. And we seem like the most important because of our perspective of being humans. Other animals, especially in remote areas, probably don't think humans are all that important, not like their own species.

You know what they say - if horses could draw, they'd draw God as a horse.

interesting. but im not sure we see eye to eye. you used some value oriented terms used to describe animals/animal thought. to be honest im not quite sure if animals are even capable of the thought processes of better, worse, right, wrong. im not saying that animals are featureless creatures, just i think they are limited to a temperment. if that makes any sense.
i may be wrong, and correct me if i am, but to be "better or worse" than other creatures seems to be giving too much away from the human. you know what i mean? at least we humans can fathom the concepts of "better or worse" and have self reflection and insight into our emotions and thought. i believe animals lack this.
so to say that from an animals perspective that we aren't important, im not quite sure what is meant by that b/c i dont think animals have the capacity to judge importance.

and im not to say that animals dont have some tempermental/instinct that tells them in a sense that "something is wrong"
like generally, an animal wont bite the hand that feeds it, does this mean the animal understands the established relationship or could compare/contrast the relationship of the next door neighbors pet/owner relationship to its own? i believe not.
im not saying they lack some form of judgement, but its much to limited to just place animals on the same level humans.

 

[TyrantRaveAB]

Spirit in what is in my liquor lol, I think personally a spirit is the same as a soul, just another word as spirit is from Latina Esprite bmeaning the same thing.

As to Ted Bundy, in our belief no one is born to destroy life, no one is born with a will to maim, because of all the evils we become corrupted, all lief in our belief is precious (hence we don't eat meat). We believe you are born neutral to good and must achieve higher states and let go of the scars to make your Soul fly

so then universally what does it mean to be human and to live up to full human standards?

 

[poppameth1]

what finally does it mean to be human?
Why assume there is any meaning in being human. We are born that way. What meaning is there in something you had no control over?

When you write a novel, you put your heart and soul into it, you give it the meaning you wish it to have. When you are born human you give no meaning to what you are, you simply are. If there is any meaning in being human it isn't something that humans themselves have given meaning to. It's some other power's grand design (for example), and thus some other power's meaning, if that power even meant for the human race to have meaning.

how do i live up to full human standards?
Human standards vary to a massive degree across this planet. Religion, location, community, traditions, and a plethora of other factors define humans standards differently for different people. In light of this, I don't think there is anything that can really be defined as "full human standards." We as a race globally can't even seem to agree on common human decency and morality.

what is the purpose of any person or all people together?
I don't think there is any true purpose outside of the purpose a person gives to their own life. I find destiny a far-fetched concept in light of the direction human history has taken, and fate is a backstabbing bitch. It's up to each individual to give his or her own life purpose and meaning. If your purpose is predefined then does it really have any meaning to you? As a whole I don't think we have any overriding purpose either. Our goals and directions are too different from one person to another. Of all the creatures on this planet, I can't think of any other one that strives so hard for a communal society and fails so badly at its execution.

P.S. Keep in mind that I'm overbearingly pessimistic.