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In Defense of "Return of the Jedi"

Dave2112

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Thought is cool to bring this up as ROTJ turns 20. It's mainly considered the weakest of the films so far, but there are a lot of reasons why this film is still cool. Yeah, Ewoks blow and Lando's acting was atrocious, but...

Some reasons (in no particular order) why ROTJ still rocks:

* Anakin Shines through in Luke - Luke wears black, Force-chokes two Gammorean gaurds and has quite the cocky lil' attitude towards Jabba. He doesn't even have his lightsaber with him at first (something I still don't get). Note the brash smile as he tells Jabba "It's the last mistake you'll ever make." Anakin loses it whenever one of the women in his life is threatened or dies, and this is passed to Luke. After Vader intuits the identity of Luke's sister, he forgets his inner conflict and goes apeshit on Vader's ass. Still, he forgoes killing him, Vader returns to the Light and the force is in balance.

* Threepio Delivers - He's always going on about being fluent in over six million forms of communication, but this time he actually uses a few of them. Neat Reader's Digest version of the whole story as he tell it to the Ewoks.

* The Boussh Outfit - The design of Leia's bounty hunter disguise is a costuming high point. The electronic voice filter is fitting, yet alien. Who knew that "yatay" and "yotoh" stod for "I have come for the bounty on this Wookie"?

* "About a great....many....things"... - Ian McDiarmid's performance of Emporer Palpatine was priceless, each syllable dripping with liquid hatred. He's the only one who could talk to Vader like he was a twelve-year-old child and live. Check out his facial expressions and condescending tone as he tells Vader that "He will come to you, and you will bring him before me..." You almost expect him to add "Think you can remember that, dipshit?"

* Ummm...you can put the hat back on, now... - You knew it was coming, but Vader's transofmation back to Anakin when the mask comes off is powerful every time. Lucas said in The Annotated Screenplays: "I knew that he had been in a lot of battles, and at one point I thought that he'd had a confrontation with Obi-Wan, and Kenobi sent him into a volcano. He was still all but dead, and basically he was manufactured back together again even though there was very little of him left."

* - The Battle of Endor - This was a milestone in filming space combat. Even today, few undertake such a grand scale assault. The action is fantastic, realistic and blessed with a depth that puts you in the middle of the action. It is interesting to note that with all the digital updates to the original trilogy, Lucas didn't change one second of the battle for the Special Edition.

* - Family Ties - even after being shocked by Vader's paternal revelation in The Empire Strikes Back, we never saw the Luke/Leia thing coming.

* - The Gold Bikini - Leia's slave girl outfit added the first bit of sex appeal to the Star Wars saga, and showed us just how depraved Jabba really is. No other piece of Star Wars costuming inspired a Rolling Stone cover, a subpolt on Friends and the imaginations of a generation of young sci-fi fans.
 
Actually..

I thought the last one was by far the weakest.
They took a chick flick and billed it as a Star Wars movie.
The only redeeming quality of the whole film was the lead actress wearing that hot ass white outfit in the final few scenes.


Tron
 
i loved Return of the Jedi. i liked all of the Star Wars films. i was never disappointed with any of them. Return of the Jedi was cool, like you pointed out Dave. here's what i liked about it.

1) Vader is human after all: remember the earlier films when Vader was kicking ass and didnt bother asking names because it didnt matter to him anyway? well, it only goes to show you how powerful love is. the whole damn time, Vader was going to bring his son to the Emperor. but when push came to shove, and he watched his son being fried up like catfish, Vader tossed his boss down a reactor chasm. he knew that it would be death for him, but that didnt stop him. what a great Dad!!

2)the music of the Vader-Skywalker lightsaber duel: remember when Vader talked about Leia and Luke went nuts and went after Vader? remember the music? that was some good music, much like "Duel of the Fates" in the new trilogy.

3) i actually liked the Ewoks. stop groaning out there, they were cool. think about it. a bunch of teddy bears helped defeat the Empire. it only proves what Yoda told Luke. "Size matters not."

4)like you said Dave, Luke was a cocky man when he went to Jabba. he just finished getting his ass kicked by Vader and 6 months later, he is talking trash to a gangster. Luke showed his father's attitude during those scens and damn, it was great.

5) overall, the movie was good. it was a nice finish, and Lucas got his point across. now the question remains, who is the chosen one? Anakin is the first to go from "good" to "evil" to "good". but it was the love of his son that brought him back. if he wore a condom that night with Padme, he would still be Vader today....

damn, i cant wait for Episode 3!! we are finally going to hear James Earl Jones voice and see Darth Vader!! is it 2005 yet?
 
Vader Sold Out...

Which prevented him from being the all time best bad guy.


Tron
 
ROTJ was, and still is good! Not the best, noooo, but still good. I definitely agree with you about Ian McDiarmid's performance, he definitely made the 'ol Emperor one evil spewing dude.
 
HisDivineShadow said:
ROTJ was, and still is good! Not the best, noooo, but still good. I definitely agree with you about Ian McDiarmid's performance, he definitely made the 'ol Emperor one evil spewing dude.

What do you expect? English actors always make the best bad guys. David Prowse, Ray Parkes, Ian McDiarmid and Christopher Lee were all English. And let's not forget Sir Ian McClellan in LOTR and Allan Rickman and Jeremy Irons in the Die Hard movies. (And Steven Berkhof in Rambo First Blood Part II.)


Originally posted by Dave2112
Ian McDiarmid's performance of Emporer Palpatine was priceless, each syllable dripping with liquid hatred. He's the only one who could talk to Vader like he was a twelve-year-old child and live. Check out his facial expressions and condescending tone as he tells Vader that "He will come to you, and you will bring him before me..." You almost expect him to add "Think you can remember that, dipshit?"


Yup, that had me on the fucking floor. :blaugh:
 
Personally this was my favourite film of the original trilogy. Seeing the startling difference in Luke at the start of this one, frmo the end of the second is what makes it. Luke came of age and stopped whining.😀lol
 
I agree with Big Jim, "Jedi" was my favorite of all the Star Wars films. The scene where Luke confronts Jabba is definetly one for the rewind button!

Drew
 
I liked Episode V best, Empire Strikes Back, but I think the original 3 (IV - VI) were all great.
 
TklDuo-Drew said:
I agree with Big Jim, "Jedi" was my favorite of all the Star Wars films. The scene where Luke confronts Jabba is definetly one for the rewind button!

Drew

I think that sequence was important to get right. Lucas needed to show how much Luke had grown and gotten more powerful between the movies. Watching him waster about 40 of Jabba's guards, a rancor and blow up two repulsorlift barges was a good way to go about it. Luke came across as so much confident and empowered after that.
 
I loved Return of The Jedi. I loved everything about it. I loved everything others hated about it. The final space/land/lightsabre battle is priceless. Can't wait for episode III either. Imagine what we will learn about the nature of the dark and light side of The Force when we see Anakin be seduced. We're in for a treat!

Peace

TA :cool2:
 
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