Interesting GOD Situation

[Amnesiac]

I just figured an interesting argument that people could apply when considering morality and God's judgment about it. It has no solution (that I'm aware of) but it's still fun to toy around with.

Here Goes...


Those who believe in God and/or those who believe in the law (God's or man's) believe in the Truth. Truth is very important. But, interestingly enough, the Truth is not concerned with facts all that much. When someone asks you what the Truth is about something that happened, you can tell the Truth...as YOU KNOW IT.

If you see something happen, and you tell the Truth about what you saw, someone else who saw it could ALSO tell the Truth and it could conflict with yours. And yet both of you are right. Because, all things considered, you can only tell the Truth from your PERCEPTION. You can only see and hear with your own eyes and ears, which still cannot tell you everything about what happened. So you can still be wrong about something and still tell the Truth about it.

Now then...

Perception determines Truth for you. And Truth is subjective. If that's the case, couldn't you argue that the subjectiveness of perception indicates bias, thus making Truth invalid?

Now here's the fun part: God (supposedly) has an sense of absolute right and absolute wrong, couldn't you chalk that up to bias? After all, this would mean God PERCEIVES that which is right and what is wrong, and therefore, it would be subjective. And then doesn't God's Truth lose its validity due to the bias of subjectivity?


😱 "Egad!"


Now, keep in mind that there are a few things wrong with this that you could point out, namely that I basically stated that we are the sum of our experiences/perceptions and people still don't agree on that.
But all those deconstructionist distractions aside, just take the aforementioned scenario and try to see what arguments you could make about things...it's great fun, I think.

 

[Dave2112]

Now here's the fun part: God (supposedly) has an sense of absolute right and absolute wrong, couldn't you chalk that up to bias? After all, this would mean God PERCEIVES that which is right and what is wrong, and therefore, it would be subjective. And then doesn't God's Truth lose its validity due to the bias of subjectivity?

Not really.


When truth differs among two or more people, you can attribute it to PERCEPTION. But when you apply those attributes to a diety, you are assuming he is Creator of the Universe. (At least so with the "God" of Christian and Jewish faiths and others.) God's perception of the Universe is perfect, as it is His creation. There is nothing arbitrary or subjective to Him about it.

If you paint a picture, several critics could all have a different impression of what you, the artist, was trying to portray. They would all be RIGHT according to thier PERCEPTION. But you, as creator of the work, are ABSOLUTELY RIGHT about the artist's meaning, as you are the one who put the meaning in it.

I smoke too much in the morning...

 

[omega]

I wonder if the idea of perception vs. truth could be thought of this way.

Two cops watch a car approaching them. They each can make a perception of how fast they think the car is traveling. But the TRUTH of the speed shows up on the radar gun.

Disclaimer: Every illustration stands on three legs. I realize that the accuracy of the radar gun could easily be called into question. Yet it is the reading of the radar gun that will stand in court, not the perception of the cops.

 

[Limeoutsider]

Is this the whole theres 3 sides to an arguement thing? My side, your side, and the right side? And Dave, about GOd thinking its perfect because its his creation, does this explain why most parents behave the way they do?

 

[TKpervert]

There's only one truth, and it's OBjective.

There can be many SUBjective truths, but only one OBjective truth.

The truth that's OBJECTIVE is the truth that's true.

end of discussion.