is hip hop dead?

[peri1]

good evening from England,
i dont post much on this website but i am currently working on that! but today my topics isnt about tickling...its about the disgrace that hip hop has now become.

i am a very big fan of hip hop but not now days, hip hop has become so commercialised and fake that i could become a rap star! 😎 all the rappers now days are told what to say form their producers to get newl listeners happy. but no seriously there is more to hip hop than cars, money, hoes and bling. there is so much more to hip hop, not like the fake stuff like 50 cent, lloyd banks, chingy, and nelly, stat quo, cashis and young buck.... dare i go on?

old hip hop has a purpose, to tell stories that people face living in the streets, a good example to use is Nas. his first album Illmatic tells events that people face in their whole life is a 45 minute album....thats what hip hop is....not utter B******T that comes out 'rappers names' today. just lfick through the music channels and you will see what i mean.

so when you think of hip hop, think of nas, dmx, method and redman, common and others alike. hip hop needs some new leaders to carry it back to when it was about the music not about making money fast which is the situation today.

i think even poeple who arent big fans of hip hop can understand what i am saying.

well thanks for listening to my concern and please say whether you agree or disagree.

peri

"a thug changes, a love changes, and best friends become strangers" Nasir Jones

 

[Tickle4444]

Quite frankly, I would be happy to see hip-hop go the way of disco - and see rock and roll once more become the dominant form of popular music!

 

[Reed_7891]

Damn right!

as you can tell im not really a fan of rap/hip hop

so i wont exactly be sad to see it go.

IT'S TIME FOR ROCK TO RISE ONCE MORE!

 

[Headsnap]

Hip hop's been dead for a long time, since the mid to late ninties to be exact. You get the odd diamond in the rough (Kano being an example from this side of the pond) and there are artists like Nas and Outkast who will produce the goods most of the time, but on the whole the scene got bloated with shite as soon as it started getting popular. As far as rock goes that never really went away although it went backwards a bit in the popularity stakes, however I myself believe that's not a bad thing for a genre as it stops people breaking through who are in it for the money and nothing else.

 

[DarthGrinn]

lol hip-hop dead? For a second I thought you were posting a link to Nas's new single 😛

Hip hop is far from dead, and those who say it is aren't really in the loop. It has flourished into something quite different from where it started. It is now an international language and culture; no matter where you go, you will find hip hop culture, and rap artists with messages.

The "hip hop" you speak of is commercial; and as with any genre, usually the commercial stuff stinks. So if that's all you are exposed to, you don't really have enough depth to make any sort of valid opinion on the music.

BTW Madonna brought disco back, and from the looks of what I'm seeing on MTV, it's pretty popular now. So, to each his own; variety is the spice of life and all that jazz...

Hip Hop will never die; as long as there are people with things to say to a beat... as long as there are creative minds who are able to turn nothing into something, to work with the bare minimum to produce a work of art... Hip Hop will be here.

Now excuse me while I fire up itunes, and kick back to some smooth flows from Common, Outlandish, and my man Mos Def...

 

[Headsnap]

Hip hop is far from dead, and those who say it is aren't really in the loop. It has flourished into something quite different from where it started. It is now an international language and culture; no matter where you go, you will find hip hop culture, and rap artists with messages.

Most of the time those messages are "GIEF MONYS PLIX" or "BUY MY SINGLE KK". Maybe I was being a bit harsh by writing off the scene completely because there are a few hip hop types about who are actually not bad (for one Mos Def, can't believe I forgot about him), but the fact is that the scene at the moment has "evovled" into something popular, which means it's become bloated with people looking to make a quick buck and is sorely lacking in innovation or new ideas.

 

[DarthGrinn]

Most of the time those messages are "GIEF MONYS PLIX" or "BUY MY SINGLE KK". Maybe I was being a bit harsh by writing off the scene completely because there are a few hip hop types about who are actually not bad (for one Mos Def, can't believe I forgot about him), but the fact is that the scene at the moment has "evovled" into something popular, which means it's become bloated with people looking to make a quick buck and is sorely lacking in innovation or new ideas.

lol @ "gief monys plx"... that's basically the message of every pop sensation 😛

As I said before; if you are going to judge a genre (rap, rnb or what have you) or the entire culture (hip hop), by the few mainstream (businessmen) artists that are basically catering to the mainstream to milk em for every buck they can... you aren't doing hip hop justice.

There are more than a "few hip hop types" that are "actually not bad"... some are mainstream now (like Mos Def, Talib, Common, Nas, Rakim, Wyclef Jean, Outlandish, The Roots etc) and others are still underground, like Immortal Technique, DAM, The Filisteens...

If all you hear are Jay-Z, Puffy and the likes, then I honestly can't blame you for feeling that Hip Hop is dead; although said artists might release a good single every now and then, they are more about setting trends, keeping up with current tastes and making club-hits. In the end of the day, its about making money; and evidently they are in demand, otherwise they wouldn't bother with it.

While Jay-Z is more than capable of spitting true lyrics (as evident by songs like "Song Cry"), his latest projects have been more or less songs like "Big Pimpin"… why? Because, that's what's selling. I'll admit though, his Black Album had some pretty decent tracks…

Anyway, while you have artists that are actually trying to get a message out; others are more about producing singles that will get played at clubs and parties, I can appreciate such songs if I'm in the mood to listen to a catchy beat... but it gets old after a while…

Anyways...

 

[Journia]

No. It just has Alzheimers.;

 

[Wade1]

but the fact is that the scene at the moment has "evovled" into something popular, which means it's become bloated with people looking to make a quick buck and is sorely lacking in innovation or new ideas.

Is that unique to hip hop, though? Over the long haul most art forms, popular or otherwise, spawn much more derivative crap than they do innovation, whether we're talking about hip hop, dance music, punk, country, jazz, fiction, poetry, film, theatre, or modern art.

I like hip-hop--both Mos Def and Jay-Z, and I'm looking forward to getting my hands on that new Clipse CD--but historically I've been more of a punk-rock guy, and a few years back it was tempting to rail against the success of Sum-41 and Good Charlotte as a betrayal and a ruination of the legacy of, say, the Ramones or the Adverts. But we still have the music of the Ramones and the Adverts, and the era that gave us Good Charlotte also gave us the Distillers and a hundred more obscure quality bands.

Hip-hop's not dead. The problem is with popular music of all genres and the lowest-common-denominator opportunism it too often embodies anymore.

 

[Umojar]

If there's anything 2006 was known for, it's the year where hip-hop hit rock bottom. I'm starting to wonder if hip hop can ever recover from Chicken Noodle Soup. It's gonna take something serious.

 

[Journia]

Let's not forget Sodas on the sides.

 

[Umojar]

Oh, I didn't... I didn't... -_-

 

[Timewarp]

Hip hop is dead....l

Like Techno, country, and jazz...these genres are heading the way of the disco duck.

A sad day in music kind...
On the plus side, no more Milkshakes...ewww.

 

[DarthGrinn]

LOL well I've never heard of Chicken noodle, Soda. I should youtube em 😛
I thought Milkshake was hot tho (guilty pleasure) 😛 but then again I have a thing for Kelis 😛

I dont think 2k6 was any different from any other year; it had its crap and its gold.

I think Outlandish's "Closer Than Veins" came out in 2k6... that was a pretty good sophmore follow up to "Bread and Barrels of Water" which is a fav of mine.

Chamillionaire's Sound of Revenge had some good tracks; although I thought the entire album itself was kinda luke warm. T.I.'s "King" was alright, still can't get the song "What you Know" out of my head (a good thing)...

Anyways, lets see what 2k7 brings.

 

[FeatherDaemon1]

I believe that the trouble we are seeing is the defenition of what is dead. If you determining it by what is popular on the TV and Radio then every genre is going to go through a series of death and renewal. Every major publicist and producer is waiting for the next big thing. You will see hip hop make its apperances here and there. Nothing can dominant in the public culture forever.

However, scenes will always be there as long as the music has fans. The internet is giving a means of exposure that eluded new bands since the creation of music itself. If you had a demo you had little or no chance of ever getting played to a large group of people. I think the music industry understands this, but refuses to admit its happening. New Wave, Disco, Country, Rock, Punk, Heavy Metal its all still out there, but are all suppressed to certain levels by studio execs and program directors.

The internet and satellite radio is going to chance all this. Radio airplay and cable channel exposure has a very limited air time and decisions have to made because of commercials and adverts. With the hundreds of channels on satellite radio and the nigh unlimited aspect of the net the comeback of any genre is possible and death impossible.

 

[That]

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[tk0]

Well,, mainstream hip hop is basically dead, but I think Lupe Fiasco will be the one to bring it back. Anyway hip hop as a whole isn't dead. there are many artists that have alot of talent, but don't get the recognition for it. Nas would be probably the biggest one. There are many underground people like AZ, Black Thought and Atmosphere just to name a few of them that are alot better than some of these mainstream guys. So hip hop as a whole is not dead.

 

[DarthGrinn]

The only track I've heard of Lupe was "Mohammad Walks"; I thought it was pretty tight 🙂

I think we can pretty much agree that "mainstream is dead".

...Dead to us, that is; sales figures show that this is far from the truth.

Thanks to Youtube, I can't remember the last time I actually flipped on MTV or VH1.

I'd like to find a website that is dedicated to underground hip-hop though. I've been too preoccupied to run a search for it, but if anybody already knows of such a site I'd really appreciate some linkage =3

 

[tk0]

I might know one.

 

[tk0]

allhiphop.com is a good one. Its not the most dedicated one, but it keeps you up to date and lets you know about some new people

 

[DarthGrinn]

Thanks 😀 I'll give that a look. It's funny but it never occured to me to find a dedicated hip hop site; I usually check generic sites like youtube or googlevideo for vids, and I've only started doing that recently...

So ya, thanks again. I'll let ya know if I find anything really content-heavy during my searches.

 

[tk0]

alright then