I dont wanna sound like a prick or dickhead or anything like that. However, i kinda have this feeling that they are blowing the whole jessica lynch hero thing out of proportion. I was reading something that they are denying that jessica had sustained injuries due to fighting. Rather, they were injuries from the crashed vehicle she was in. I dont know what to think. What do you guys think!!shes a brave little chick i'll give ya that.
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While I believe it's possible that the stories got twisted/exaggerated/whatever in the beginning, I have to give her credit for her willingness to serve in the first place. I personally don't much worry about the truth of the original story. I think ALL our guys/gals in the armed forces deserve a pat on the back...whatever their role is. 
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Been there, done that...
We'll never know the whole truth of how it all happened, but it's irrelevant, really. She's just as much a hero as all the rest that you've never heard their names and never will. These people are laying it on the line to defend our way of life. The way tens of thousands of Americans have for the past two centuries. I thank them all. They deserve better than they get from our "elected officials".
We'll never know the whole truth of how it all happened, but it's irrelevant, really. She's just as much a hero as all the rest that you've never heard their names and never will. These people are laying it on the line to defend our way of life. The way tens of thousands of Americans have for the past two centuries. I thank them all. They deserve better than they get from our "elected officials".
I think the attention paid has been a smidgen out of proportion. However, this is not a reflection on PFC Lynch or her conduct at all. Rather I think it has more to do with the media needing to fill the 24-hour news cycle's insatiable appetites.
The discrepancy between initial and later accounts of her injuries and how they were sustained is, I should think, a result of the newsies racing to outdo each other with nothing but rumors. I recall what P.J. O'Rourke wrote of his experiences covering the first Gulf War that the media pretty much reported whatever they heard other media types saying about what the Intell guys were saying, and vice versa, with nobody coming into contact with genuine first-hand infomation until much later. As a result, initial information was both invariably wrong and repeated ad nauseum. I strongly suspect the same thing happened here.
I also think that the attention being paid to PFC Lynch is greater than that paid to her fellow released P.O.W.s for a number of reasons. She was the first P.O.W. to be rescued, and was a prisoner for the shortest amount of time. Lynch was rescued by Special Forces following a tip from an Iraqi civillian who refused to sit quietly while she was tortured; while the other five P.O.W.s from her unit (as well as the two Apache crewmen) were released willingly by the Iraqi military as the tanks and air strikes were reducing the Elite Republican Guard to scorch marks, as their captors' way of saying "Here they are we didn't hurt them please dear God don't kill us." Now, as satisfying as I find the image of those bullies and wicked men wetting their trousers with fear at suddenly finding themselves on the pointy end of the terror equation, Lynch's rescue does tap into archetypal elements of our culture's mythology. Everyone loves to see knights bold and true freeing damsels from Dark Towers, and this story does echo that pattern. Naturally, people want to make a big deal about it. We'd like to give her rescuers equal celebration, but reality intrudes. We can't reveal the names or faces of the SpecForces that broke her out, or the doctor who revealed her location, because that would simply be erecting a huge neon sign reading "ATTENTION BAATHIST SORE LOSERS: INSERT RETALIATION HERE" over them and their families. So we transfer the emotion to PFC Lynch, the one individual in the story we are permitted to know.
That being said, however, I don't really have a problem if people want to make a fuss over her safe return. She's damned lucky to have gotten out as intact as she is (Muslim Arabic culture insitutionalizes violent misogyny under the best of circumstances, and the Baath party is documented as having at least one full-time professional rapist on the payroll; so there's no doubt in my mind that they either did or were preparing to do things to her that civilized human beings can't even discuss in press conferences...), so I raise a frothing tankard to her good health as well. As long as she's okay with it, that is. In the clip I've seen of her brief public statement, she seemed more that a little uncomfortable with it all, and most of what I've read indicates that she's telling the media as politlely as possible to wrap it up and let her get on with life, which is the healthiest sign of all.
The discrepancy between initial and later accounts of her injuries and how they were sustained is, I should think, a result of the newsies racing to outdo each other with nothing but rumors. I recall what P.J. O'Rourke wrote of his experiences covering the first Gulf War that the media pretty much reported whatever they heard other media types saying about what the Intell guys were saying, and vice versa, with nobody coming into contact with genuine first-hand infomation until much later. As a result, initial information was both invariably wrong and repeated ad nauseum. I strongly suspect the same thing happened here.
I also think that the attention being paid to PFC Lynch is greater than that paid to her fellow released P.O.W.s for a number of reasons. She was the first P.O.W. to be rescued, and was a prisoner for the shortest amount of time. Lynch was rescued by Special Forces following a tip from an Iraqi civillian who refused to sit quietly while she was tortured; while the other five P.O.W.s from her unit (as well as the two Apache crewmen) were released willingly by the Iraqi military as the tanks and air strikes were reducing the Elite Republican Guard to scorch marks, as their captors' way of saying "Here they are we didn't hurt them please dear God don't kill us." Now, as satisfying as I find the image of those bullies and wicked men wetting their trousers with fear at suddenly finding themselves on the pointy end of the terror equation, Lynch's rescue does tap into archetypal elements of our culture's mythology. Everyone loves to see knights bold and true freeing damsels from Dark Towers, and this story does echo that pattern. Naturally, people want to make a big deal about it. We'd like to give her rescuers equal celebration, but reality intrudes. We can't reveal the names or faces of the SpecForces that broke her out, or the doctor who revealed her location, because that would simply be erecting a huge neon sign reading "ATTENTION BAATHIST SORE LOSERS: INSERT RETALIATION HERE" over them and their families. So we transfer the emotion to PFC Lynch, the one individual in the story we are permitted to know.
That being said, however, I don't really have a problem if people want to make a fuss over her safe return. She's damned lucky to have gotten out as intact as she is (Muslim Arabic culture insitutionalizes violent misogyny under the best of circumstances, and the Baath party is documented as having at least one full-time professional rapist on the payroll; so there's no doubt in my mind that they either did or were preparing to do things to her that civilized human beings can't even discuss in press conferences...), so I raise a frothing tankard to her good health as well. As long as she's okay with it, that is. In the clip I've seen of her brief public statement, she seemed more that a little uncomfortable with it all, and most of what I've read indicates that she's telling the media as politlely as possible to wrap it up and let her get on with life, which is the healthiest sign of all.
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Yeah i agree with you guys, she is a hero and so are the rest of the us military. I dont think the media should be televising the war like its a wrestling ppv. War is a harsh reality. Furthermore, i think the media is handling this the wrong way.
Yeah i agree with you guys, she is a hero and so are the rest of the us military. I dont think the media should be televising the war like its a wrestling ppv. War is a harsh reality. Furthermore, i think the media is handling this the wrong way.
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Has anyone here seen the movie 'Wag the Dog'? 😀
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Re: huh..
Look it up on the IMDB.
AphxA said:
Look it up on the IMDB.
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I believe he's trying to say that the whole Jessica Lynch story is made up But I could be wrong I am glad she's doing better I just hope when all the media hoopla dies down she will be able to re-adjust to society I'm not trying to steal the thread by saying that
I've read some accounts of war veterans that were made famous through the media only to fall down once the publicity goes away
Pappy Boyington,and Ira Hayes are two that come to mind Both are Medal Of Honor winners It seemed that once they fell out of favor with the media their lives went downward They had trouble re-adjusting back into society
That's the problem with veterans of any wars It seems like society itself just doesn't care about their problems pappy Boyington was married four times,had a lot of money problems too I just finished reading about him
Ira Hayes was a marine in W.W.2 who was at the flag raising ceromoney on Iwo Jima who was a Medal Of Honor recipient as well Once the hoopla died down his life went into a down ward spiral once he left the Marines
I just hope the same type of things don't happen to PFC Lynch
Now I may get flamed or piss off some people for what i am about to say It is not my intention (honestly) to do that
Is the reason the media covered the story real close because PFC Lynch is a woman? Again I didn't say that to be rude or sexist If the first POW to be rescued was a man,would the media made such coverage about it? Maybe I'm just cynical Who knows
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I've read some accounts of war veterans that were made famous through the media only to fall down once the publicity goes away
Pappy Boyington,and Ira Hayes are two that come to mind Both are Medal Of Honor winners It seemed that once they fell out of favor with the media their lives went downward They had trouble re-adjusting back into society
That's the problem with veterans of any wars It seems like society itself just doesn't care about their problems pappy Boyington was married four times,had a lot of money problems too I just finished reading about him
Ira Hayes was a marine in W.W.2 who was at the flag raising ceromoney on Iwo Jima who was a Medal Of Honor recipient as well Once the hoopla died down his life went into a down ward spiral once he left the Marines
I just hope the same type of things don't happen to PFC Lynch
Now I may get flamed or piss off some people for what i am about to say It is not my intention (honestly) to do that
Is the reason the media covered the story real close because PFC Lynch is a woman? Again I didn't say that to be rude or sexist If the first POW to be rescued was a man,would the media made such coverage about it? Maybe I'm just cynical Who knows
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AphxA, the movie "Wag the Dog" is about the president creating a make believe military conflict. With the help of a Hollywood producer to redirect American interest from more inportant U.S. issues. Dutch care to add any more insight?
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R. Davis said:
I was thinking about the 'Old Shoe' episode in Wag the Dog. It's about a pvt. Shumaker (or something like that) who is supposedly taken prisoner by the enemy and is then 'rescued' by the US military with a lot of media exposure.
