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Joe Louis VS. Lennox Lewis

Not sure. But I know who would win between Jerry Lewis and Lennox Lewis.
 
How about Al Lewis?

If Oliver McCall and Hashim Rakman could flatten Lennox Lewis with a single punch, then it would be realistic to assume that The Brown Bomber would have annihilated Lennox Lewis.
Lennox has very sound technical movement in the ring. He's got a good jab and a great right hand. He's also good at going on the defense, which is a good thing, because everytime I've seen him get nailed he gets knocked out.
Why isn't Lennox in the same leauges as: Jack Johnson, Jack Dempsey, Joe Louis, Rocky Marciano, Muhammad Ali, and Larry Holmes?
Becuase each of the great champions I just named, at one time or another during their title reigns, was able to climb off the canvas after a knockdown and win the fight in impressive fashion.
Lennox, much like Mike Tyson, has lost EVERY SINGLE FIGHT that he's ever been knocked down in.
I also don't go for this "Modern day athletes are better and bigger". The old time fighters were lighter because the fought more rounds. At least 15, and sometimes 25 or more. If any of the great champions were fighting today they would have been born in the last 20 years, making them all proprtionately bigger. Marciano and Dempsey would be proportionate to Mike Tyson, and they would both squash anyone that's around today.
And speaking of Tyson and Lewis, it sickens me to hear that they might have a rematch. What has Tyson done to deserve a title shot?
Their first fight was totally one sided. Who would pay to see that? It would have to be shown on HBO.
 
Lewis would get his pompous, overrated, really needs to get knocked out self killed if he fought Joe Louis. please!!! Lewis is not that good. if Tyson wasnt on medication (c'mon folks, do you really believe Mike Tyson would truly be that humble after a fight?), he would have been destroyed. that was NOT the "real" Mike Tyson in that fight. I could have beaten Mike that night. something was very, very wrong with him.

Lewis will get some props for being champion, but did he fight Holyfield or Tyson in their primes? NO. he couldnt even knock down old man Holyfield. Lewis is a boring fighter, with a glass chin and i am praying that someone knocks his weak self out in the next fight. him being champion is a joke....
 
I agree with Wallstreet and primetime--Joe would kick Lennox's ass. 😀

P.S. Kurch, I think Jerry Lewis would beat Lennox--he'd be laughing too hard to get up off the mat! 😛
 
Finally someone else who agrees Tyson should have won that fight.
 
oh yeah, Tyson should have won that fight. i remember watching the fight and i am sitting there wondering why Mike is not being his usual agressive self. he stood there and took punches like a punching bag. like i said, I could have beaten Mike that night if all he was going to do is stand there.

i dont like Lennox Lewis. never did, never will. he has a glass chin and for some strange reason, he thinks he is the greatest fighter alive. damn Mike!!! why couldnt you knock this bum out??!!!! as you can tell i am still bitter about it......
 
Joe Louis vs. Lennox Lewis? that'd be legalized MURDER! Joe, by KO, in Round 1.


I think Tyson should have beaten Lewis, too. I'm not sure WHAT was wrong with him that night, but that was certainly not the "I'm gonna EAT your CHILDREN!!" version of Mike Tyson.
 
I wish someone would knock out Lennox. Hes so arrogant he claims hes gonna abandon boxing and become an ultimate fighter or pro wrestler. I also read Brock Lesner wanted a piece of him. I hope Lesner wipes the floor with Lewis. 😡
 
ShiningIce said:
I also read Brock Lesner wanted a piece of him. I hope Lesner wipes the floor with Lewis. 😡
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No WAY!!! 😀😀😀 Now THERE'S a fight I'd pay to see!
 
Brock Lesnar would destroy Lennox Lewis. hmm, maybe i would buy that pay per view if that happens........

i'm glad i see others agree about Tyson that night. you're damn right that wasnt the "i'm going to eat your children" Mike Tyson. that was more like "please punch me so i can get some ice cream later" Mike Tyson. does Lewis ever really dominate a fight? whether you like Tyson or not, you have to admit, him destroying people was quite entertaining. to those who complained, remember it is boxing. we want to see someone get knocked out instead of some stupid, no knockdown decision. tooooooo boring!!!! i hope Tyson gets back to his crazed self and start destroying people again.
 
Joe Louis...

Because he never learned how to lose, and always brought who he was into the ring. Attitude beats aptitude when you're dealing with professionals. Q
 
Come on lads........

......heres some kleenex to dry your eyes, while you try and come to terms with the fact that a BRIT is the undisputed heavy weight world boxing champion, accept it, deal with, and move on guys!!!
 
I'm lloking forward to April 12 or 19, when the German-Ukrainian WBF champion Vitali Klitschko will fight against Lennox Lewis. There's a good chance that you'll see Lennox going to the floor by round 5 or 6.

Go, Vitali, go! 😉
 
red red red....

You just HAD to do it, didn't you. Okay, lemme see...I'm counting up those British boxing champions whose names ring down through history....err...counting....hmmm...this isn't going well...one more flip through the 'ol book....my my my...not really going to need that abacus, am I...lol? Right now, Lewis is fine with me...Tysons a thug who turned his back on his talent and those who trained him. Enjoy the reign, red...got a feeling it might be awhile before you have another. Q
 
I'd take Joe...and some observations on Tyson

Joe Louis would probably beat Lennox. Remember you'd have to set your wayback machine or time machine to get them in the same place at the same time, which would affect training methods. I would say Joe Louis would be quite fearsome with today's training regimens, and would probably come in at around 215 at least. As for Lennox, if you put him back in time he might be less effective because he'd probably weigh more, and would in fact be slower. In other words, Lennox today is as good as he'd ever be, but put Joe in today's age and he'd be better. I agree that Joe's right hand would do it.

Now as far as Tyson goes: the fact is that he peaked as a fighter in the late eighties. When Don King moved in after the deaths of Jacobs and D'Amato, eventually leading to the dismissal of the competent but not great Rooney, Tyson's technique went south. He was losing his defensive skills and was firing wildly even when he fought Bruno the FIRST time back in '89. Tyson's last great fight was against Michael Spinks in 1988--yes, fourteen years ago! If you look at his record since then he has not had one truly great win since. I've heard the "he was on drugs" excuse forever, even back to the Douglas fight, but unfortunately the loss of Tyson's technique was his real undoing. When he became easier to hit he stopped being dominant, and that whole thing didn't get any better when he went to prison the first time. Then Evander--who everyone thought was past his prime anyway--beat Tyson soundly, and Mike was really done after that.

By the time Lewis got to him, Tyson was a glorified punching bag with only a vague puncher's chance of winning. In Tyson's first few great years Tyson-Lewis would have been a cool matchup, but even then you wonder how Tyson would have done if Lewis wasn't intimidated by him. Every good fighter who has faced up to Tyson has defeated him, which to me keeps Tyson from true greatness. As mentioned earlier, Ali, Frazier, Holmes, Louis etc. all had defining fights where they turned the tide. Every time Tyson has been faced with real adversity, he's lost.
 
If Lennox actually bothered to bring his game up as far as he could withoutdropping it, like he sometimes does, then The Bomber would'nt stand a chance. Boxers today are fitter, stronger, heavier, bigger and more dedicated to their training.

Louis might have been the world-beater of his day (indeed his record of 25 title defences still stands today) but against most modern heavyweights of note, he'd be eviscerated.
 
For the last British Heavyweight champ you must go back to the late 1890's, when Bob Fitzsimmons rules with his vaunted Solar Plexus Punch. Fitz only wieghed about 167 pounds (don't know the stone), and he fought guys 50 pounds heavier than him.
Joe Louis would bring more hunger into the ring than Lennox Lewis has ever known. The heavyweights of today are one of the saddest bunches in a long time. The Klitschko brothers could be viable contenders if they are given the proper time to develop (I believe the April fight has been canceled), but HBO will need to make money, so they'll rush the bros in too soon, just as they did to Michael Grant.
If Vladimir takes in two or three more consecutive tough fights I think he could stand a chance to knock Lewis out. When Lewis fights Vladimir he'll be on defense the whole fight, much like when he fought David Tua. Lewis has no problem boring the fans ( a trait he shares with Roy Jones Jr, and don't get me started on that dissapointment).
 
I'd agree with you about the heart thing Wallstreet, but I think most sports legends of yester-decade/century would struggle against even mediocre people today. (Althugh I do agree that the heavyweight scene has been barren as hell for about 5-10 years.) The last world-beater we saw in the heavyweight division I believe was Mike Tyson, before his fall from grace. Since then, there have been no legends of repute and Mike himself has been a sad, bloated pile of excrement who even struggled to beat up that septugenarian in the road-rage incident. :disgust:

BTW, Bob Fitzsimmons was 11 stone 5 pounds in the way us Brits measure things. Such a fighter would be considered a super-middleweight today. I do have to dispute your regard of the Cornishman though. He took the title from Jim Corbett in circumstances that would have had him slung out of the ring on his arse, in this day and age. I think the fights were scheduled for 45 rounds in those days, and that this one had reached the late-teens, early 20's stage. (Can't remember to be exact.) Corbett had pasted Fitz for just about every one of those rounds and the crowd were mostly on the champ's side, except for Fitz's wife at ringside who kept hollering "whack him in the slats Bob!!!!!" At the stage in the fight where Fitz was dying on his arse, he unleashed that legendary "Bollero Punch" for which he is so famed. Describing it as hitting Corbett in the solar plexus would be generous. In fact it smacked him in the plums so hard, he entered the Vienna Boy's Choir shortly afterwards. After that he just danced on Corbett's head till the fight was over.

Following that Fitz didn't fight again until 2 and a 1/4 years had passed and when he did, he promptly got skull-fucked by James Jefferies. The re-match was more of a credit to Fitz, because he managed to mess up Jefferies face quite badly, but it ended with the ex-steel worker beating the shite out of Cornish Bob once again.

Fitz may have a reputation as a giant killer, but I don't think it's wholly deserved. He only ever won a single world-class fight and that was by a shot that would have had him DQ'ed today.
 
"most sports legends of yester...would struggle"

I made a point in my earlier post that I feel the need to repeat here:

You CANNOT compare athletes from different eras without looking at differences in training and nutrition practices!

Anyone who thinks Lennox Lewis would beat Joe Louis must first put Lennox back in Louis's era, where Lennox would certainly not be in the shape he is today, and would be the equivalent, of. say, Primo Carnera. Either that, or project Joe to the modern era, where he would be at least 20-25 pounds heavier and much more sculpted than we remember. Indeed, the thought of Joe Louis being shaped by today's ultra modern training methods is pretty fearsome indeed. Project the two fighters into the SAME ERA and Joe wins.

Carrying the analogy a bit further, Rocky Marciano, who I recall fighting around 185-190, would be coming in at 215-220 today and would be built much like Mike Tyson. And because of Marciano's superior training discipline--and his lack of Mike's unfortunate insanity--I would figure him also to be a very effective boxer in today's age, to say the least.

To choose an example from another sport, the early '60s Green Bay Packers, who "wouldn't stand a chance" against even today's Cincinnati Bengals, wouldn't have a line that averaged 245 in today's age. Yes, Fuzzy Thurston and Henry Jordan et al would all be coming in at over 300 pounds!
 
86, I'd mostly agree with you. My opinion on Lennox beating Joe was because of the difference in training and nutrition. (Not just for boxers, but for the whole race!) People are taller, more solid and more durable today.

I'd definatley agree that putting either of them in the other's era, would change things.
 
Boxing's also about heart. Lewis doesnt have any. Louis was filled with it to the brim.
 
kurchatovium said:
Not sure. But I know who would win between Jerry Lewis and Lennox Lewis.
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How about Carl Lewis and Jerry Lewis.
One would run around the ring, real fast the other would run around the ring like a real spaz!😀

TTD
 
Lesnar vs Lewis

Yeah, I know this thread's been dead a bit, but what the hey.

There are three possible scenarios for any match between Brock Lesnar and Lennox Lewis, taking into account that Lewis won't agree to do a worked fight.

1). Lesnar isn't allowed to use wrestling holds. Lewis allowed to punch. Essentially, a straight-up boxing match. Result: Lesnar gets his head knocked off a la Bart Gunn vs Butterbean, because just like Bart Gunn, he's not a boxer.

2). Competitors forbidden to punch. Essentially, a straight-up amateur wrestling match, and Lesnar stretches Lewis seventy different ways and then pins him without breaking sweat, just like Kurt Angle, Chris Benoit, Shelton Benjamin, or even Steve Austin would (and yes, Austin knows some technical stuff and could get easily up to the standard required to beat Lewis quite quickly given training by Angle).

3). An MMA-style match where Lewis can punch and Lesnar can use holds. Lewis wins because he'll knock Lesnar out before Lesnar can get close enough to take him down.

In other words, there are three ways this can end, and all of them result in a massive blow to the loser's image. If Lesnar were to beat Lewis, and it were to be the inevitable massacre, it would indeed be a huge blow to his credibility and marketability as the guy who got beaten by a pro wrestler. Conversely, Lesnar is WWE's immediate future, and there's no way Vince McMahon would be so stupid as to allow a match which would suck all the heat and then some away from Lesnar, doubly suicidal considering how over Brock is right now. And that's why it's never going to happen.
 
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