Judge refuses oirders part III

[Limeoutsider]

MONTGOMERY, Ala. - Alabama's chief justice was suspended for disobeying a federal court's order that he remove a Ten Commandments monument from the rotunda of the state judicial building. Yet, Saturday, the massive granite marker remained in place and there were no signs it would soon be moved. Chief Justice Roy Moore, who installed the 5,300-pound monument two years ago, was suspended with pay Friday when the nine-member Judicial Inquiry Commission referred an ethics complaint against him to the Court of the Judiciary, which can discipline and remove judges. Moore had no immediate comment after the decision. His spokesman, Tom Parker, said his attorneys would respond to the complaint Monday.A spokesman said Friday that Moore still intends to formally appeal the federal removal order to the U.S. Supreme Court (news - web sites). Moore met with the commission on Friday as about 100 of his supporters at the federal courthouse ripped and burned a copy of U.S. District Judge Myron Thompson's order for the monument's removal. He said he told the commission he upheld his oath of office by acknowledging God. He has said Thompson had no authority to tell the state's chief justice to remove the monument. Although Moore's supporters have said they will try to prevent court officials from moving the monument, his attorneys offered assurances that Moore will not interfere with the removal during a conference call Friday with Thompson, two plaintiffs' attorneys who also took part in the call said.
Attorney General Bill Pryor said the public corruption and white collar crime unit in his office will handle the prosecution of the chief justice on the ethics complaint. He said senior Associate Justice Gorman Houston will perform the chief justice's duties while Moore is suspended. "I'm not happy we have to deal with these matters, but it is part of our duties and we will continue to do so," Pryor said.Thompson ruled last year that the monument's placement in the public rotunda of the Alabama Judicial Building violated the Constitution's ban on government promotion of a religious doctrine.
He ordered the monument removed by Wednesday — the same day the U.S. Supreme Court rejected Moore's appeal for an emergency stay.
When Moore still refused to move the marker, the state Supreme Court's eight associate justices overruled him and ordered the monument out of the rotunda, though officials said it could be placed elsewhere in the building. Court officials on Friday discussed where it might be moved to comply with the order and still be secure. Joe Conn of Americans United for Separation of Church and State, which sued to remove the monument, said Moore brought the suspension on himself. "He knew all along that state court judges cannot defy the federal courts and yet he went ahead with this anyway," Conn said. A Moore supporter, Alabama Christian Coalition president John Giles, said the commission was "trying to take down one of America's finest." The ethics complaint, filed by Montgomery lawyer Stephen Glassroth, now goes to the Court of the Judiciary, a panel made up of four judges, three lawyers and two non-lawyers. Attorneys who sued to get the monument out of the rotunda, meanwhile, put their contempt filing against Moore on hold after the associated justices said the monument would be moved. Outside the judicial building Saturday, about 100 people sat on the front steps and in lawn chairs listening to people preach and praying. Retired Birmingham school teacher Murray Phillips, who joined the demonstrators Friday, said she knows the monument will probably be moved soon.
"I'm upset, but I'm not surprised," she said. "At least I am going to be able to say to my grandchildren that at least I tried to do something."

 

[Knox The Hatter]

Next year at the latest, Moore will be running for public office in Alabama. The post he runs for is irrelevant. He will most likely win.

 

[BigJim]

Shall we start printing the banners now?

 

[Limeoutsider]

Of course, the South is the Bible Belt, so what better way to make a name for yourself than mess with religion

 

[BigJim]

The cynic in me would not be surprised if he'd done this deliberately to get some public service career going.

 

[Oddjob0226]

I'm tellin' ya, it's just too big and heavy to move! Someone might strain something. Leave it.

 

[BigJim]

Interesting little snippet from http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_10cc.htm . This guy is not just a committed Christian, he's a raving homophobe who's court unanimously rejected a mother's case for custody because she is a lesbian.


About Chief Justice Roy Moore: According to AANews, Alabama judge Roy "Moore had erected a wooden plaque of the Commandments in his courtroom, and survived two legal challenges over the issue. In 2000, he ran for the state's highest judicial post and promised to bring his bellicose crusade to display the Ten Commandments to the capital. He kept his promise..." 1

In 2002-FEB, Moore wrote a separate concurring opinion in a case before the Alabama Supreme Court in which he blasted homosexuality on religious as well as legal grounds. The case involved a lesbian who sought custody of her three minor children. The court unanimously rejected her case. Moore wrote that homosexuality is "a sin [that] violates both natural and revealed law." He cited verses from the books of Genesis and Leviticus in the Bible. He called homosexuality "an evil disfavored under the law," "an inherent evil," a "detestable and an abominable sin," and "an act so heinous that it defies one’s ability to describe it." He suggested that the death penalty is an appropriate response to homosexual behavior. He wrote: "The State carries the power of the sword, that is, the power to prohibit conduct with physical penalties, such as confinement and even execution. It must use that power to prevent the subversion of children toward this lifestyle, to not encourage a criminal lifestyle." Rev. Barry W. Lynn, executive director of Americans United for Separation of Church and State, responded: "It appears that Justice Moore is once again making his decisions on the basis of his personal religious beliefs, not the commands of the law,. Justice Moore would make a great official of the Inquisition, but he doesn’t belong on a state supreme court. I don’t know what to expect next from Moore. Perhaps a witch burning?" 2

 

[Oddjob0226]

I would LOVE to see the judge's face if he ever stumbled upon this web site!

(Unless he's already here, one of us.....)

 

[Dr. Bill Kobb]

The Gig Is Up

Aw durn it! My cover's been blown! I'm not really a Dr., I'm Chief Justice Judge Ray Moore, and I'm heah to dispense justice, Southern-Style! Ya gotcher choice of punishments, yew buncha deviants: Tarred n' feathered, or locked in the stocks! Witch'll it be?!?

 

[Oddjob0226]

Re: The Gig Is Up

Aw durn it! My cover's been blown! I'm not really a Dr., I'm Chief Justice Judge Ray Moore, and I'm heah to dispense justice, Southern-Style! Ya gotcher choice of punishments, yew buncha deviants: Tarred n' feathered, or locked in the stocks! Witch'll it be?!?

I'm betting around here a compromise can be reached by combining the two - feathers AND the stocks......

 

[BigJim]

I would LOVE to see the judge's face if he ever stumbled upon this web site!

(Unless he's already here, one of us.....)

He probably shares Scott's view that we're all evil, deviant, perverted and heading for damnation. Personally I'd rather go to hell if heaven is full of assholes like him.

 

[Oddjob0226]

He probably shares Scott's view that we're all evil, deviant, perverted and heading for damnation. Personally I'd rather go to hell if heaven is full of assholes like him.

Who' Scott? Scott from the Austin Powers films? Scott, like Mr. Scott on Star Trek? Is he a wanking Bilderburger?

 

[BigJim]

Who' Scott? Scott from the Austin Powers films? Scott, like Mr. Scott on Star Trek? Is he a wanking Bilderburger?

Scott is the man who founded the TMF on EZ-Boards and then transported it to it's more efficient home on vBulletin, along with Jeff. He was known as Psycho4048 in those days, but then he was seriously nobbled by the God-Squad. He became the sort of zealot that gives true Christians a bad name. He deleted his old name and replaced it with ReturntoGod and basically paraded around General Discussion telling us we are all sinners. His web-site ( www.calltochrist.com ) is page after page of homophobic, race-hate, xenophobic, anti-tolerant shite. Quite frankly I can't believe it's legal to have the sort of crap on a public web-site that he does.

 

[Oddjob0226]

His web-site ( www.calltochrist.com ) is page after page of homophobic, race-hate, xenophobic, anti-tolerant shite. Quite frankly I can't believe it's legal to have the sort of crap on a public web-site that he does.

Yeah, now I know him. But I went to the site and tried wadding through some of the stuff, but didn't find any "homophobic, race-hating, xenophobic, anti-tolerant shit (proper spelling)) " How dissapointing that was!

It's like he's not just Catholic, he's Super-Catholic!

 

[BigJim]

Yeah, now I know him. But I went to the site and tried wadding through some of the stuff, but didn't find any "homophobic, race-hating, xenophobic, anti-tolerant shit (proper spelling)) " How dissapointing that was!

It's like he's not just Catholic, he's Super-Catholic!

Never fear, I never disappoint. (Especially in the use of correct spelling.😀 Shite is a British slang word big fella, not a typing error! I also intended to not use the i-n-g ending in the race-hate bit.) (Except possibly Myriads, because I promised him I wouldn't start a thread about this subject only two or three weeks ago. Sorry Myr, I'll do my best to keep this civillised now that it's come up.)

An excerpt taken from Scott's, a.k.a. Psycho4048, a.k.a. ReturntoGod, web-site
Christianity is the only faith, besides Judaism, that was instituted directly by God: all the rest (Buddhism, Islam, Hinduism, Zoroastrianism, Shintoism, etc.) were initiated by man. Any religion founded by a mere man, or an angel, does not come from God. Only God himself can establish the true faith and only Roman Catholicism can trace its roots directly back to its founder, Jesus Christ, the Son of God made man, who made a new covenant with Jew and gentile alike.

Anti-tolerant of every religion on the face of planet Earth with the exception of the RC Church. By implication xenophobic, although not quite racist. Also open to extreme debate as the author seems to assume several things that are far from proven facts. (Not unusual amongst blind and deaf zealots.) Not first among these is that an angel of the Lord is not capable of carrying God's Word to Earth, as billions of muslims could probably tell you.

An excerpt taken from Scott's, a.k.a. Psycho4048, a.k.a. ReturntoGod, web-site
No other religion has gained as many converts through missionary activity as the Roman Catholic Church. It was no coincidence thath Catholic Spain and Portugal were at the heights of their maritime powers when the New World was discovered, and that the vast majority of navigators and explorers to the New World, Africa, India, and the Far East were Catholic, enabling Catholic missionaries to introduce the One True Faith to these remote, uncivilized areas.

Missonary activity? When the alternative to conversion was torture, scalding, purging and burning at the stake, even I'D have converted!!! Given my intense dislike of organised industry/mind-prison religions, that's going some!!! He is basically saying he's proud that his church has been the most brutal, inhumane and evil religious organisation in history, because that's what it took to win so many "converts".
It also falls guilty of the the most heinous possible crime in my eyes: historical innacuracy. The people of the "New World" were many times more civilised than the Conquistadors who introduced them to loving Christianity. When Simon Wassisname came ashore he came dressed as the natives expected Quetzalcoatl to look on his promised return. Allegedly these legends weren't known yet to Europeans. *coughcoughBULLSHIT!!!coughcough*
There were many celebrations at the return of the savior and a procession was held, all the way to the chief temple. Once there the travellers blocked the doors and turned their weapons on the Indians with a ferocity that killed over three thousand, inside of an hour. And this is something the natives should have been grateful for and we should admire the RC Church for? This guy is so terrified of the future, that he's willing to condone any evil if he thinks it'll get him Salvation.
Racist and xenophobic.

An excerpt taken from Scott's, a.k.a. Psycho4048, a.k.a. ReturntoGod, web-site
Nearly every country that has been economically blessed and/or made great strides in civilization and learning has been a Christian nation, and can thank Roman Catholicism for its Christian heritage. Countries that have prospered economically, like Japan, South Korea and Taiwan, while not being Christian nations themselves, have, nonetheless, patterned themselves after deomocratic Christian nations in the West.

Another humongous historical innacuracy. It assumes that the RC church's teachings have been responsible for the economical prosperity. Also makes a false assosciation with countries who aren't Christian but have prospered. Again, a primary example of twisting the facts to suit his own agenda. Did anyone know that it's because I'm spiritual and have no religion because they all disgust me, that my pension fund is doing so well? It's true I tell you! Obi-Wan appeared out of the Force and told me himself!

An excerpt taken from Scott's, a.k.a. Psycho4048, a.k.a. ReturntoGod, web-site
No other religion has had as many verbal attacks for its steadfast dogmas and doctrines as the Roman Catholic Church. Liberals, modernists, feminists, homosexuals, Hollywood, the media, and secular governments and institutions have all attacked the Catholic Church for its uncompromising stance against abortion, artificial contraception, euthanasia, and homosexuality. Find the religion the world hates and you have found the true religion. Darkness hates light.

In other words, a wonderful shield for priests to screw as many choir boys up the arse as they like and if people complain, then the Devil is fighting against the One True Religion. Gives the organisation all the cover it needs to do as much evil as it wants whilst forcing people to subscribe to it's 'trueness'. Any organisation that operates through evil, racism, xenophobia and intolerance could just as easilly claim the same thing. Anton La Vey, when he founded the Church of Satan, claimed that the Devil was mis-represented and given a bad press. Yawn. Same old story, different frock on the holy man. At least satanists conduct the sex rituals openly.
Homophobic and intolerant of variety.

An excerpt taken from Scott's, a.k.a. Psycho4048, a.k.a. ReturntoGod, web-site
No other religion has had as many miracles, fulfilled prophesies, and apparitions from heaven as the Roman Catholic Church. The tremendous number of authenticated apparitions from Jesus and Mary to Catholics point to which religion is the true religion.

Complete falsehood. Of course, when powerful people in the Church get to write the history books, it's quite easy to make it appear to those so afraid that they'll believe any old shit that everything in hunky-dory and ship-shape and Bristol fashion. I'm sure if African shamaans had as much political and economical power as the RC church, we'd be hearing similar things about their sort of religion.
Every unregulated person or body can claim to be the world's greatest in their chosen field and there's bugger all that can be done to publicly set the record straight. This gives flat-out lies like this high prominence, when I could just as legitimately claim that I was the greatest known prophet since time began.

An excerpt taken from Scott's, a.k.a. Psycho4048, a.k.a. ReturntoGod, web-siteHowever, even today, Islam poses a serious threat to those who lives their lives as Christians. Islam wins its converts through terror and with the sharp edge of the sword. Islam hates Christianity and seeks always to destory it wherever it flourishes.

Racist, utterly untrue and xenophobic.

Complete, utter, total and unadulterated shite! (Note the 'e' there OJ. English slang is quite the rage in TMF'ing America these days!😀) Quite possibly the most incredible deluge of blatant lies I've ever seen without someone being sued for slander as a result.

Takes no account of the fact that Richard The Lionheart (in the name of civillising Christianity) slaughtered a muslim city including every woman and child and burned it to the ground, while the allegedly uncivillised muslims lead by Saladin only killed the armed males, took prisoners when they surrendured, spared the city and partioned off an area and put it under guard so non-combatants like women and children could shelter there. It might even be something that happened at Jerusalem, I'm not sure; it did happen though.

Deeply offensive to anyone with more than three braincells; two to rub together and the other to warm it's hands from the resulting heat.

This man is not a catholic. This man is, if it can be compared to anything in the conventionally religious world, possessed by the Devil. I know catholics who are tolerant, good-hearted, kind and welcoming. This man's philosophy is one of the primary reasons why good people within the RC church suffer attacks. He appears to be so terrified of Judgement that he'll cling to any fallacy, no matter how ridiculous and intangible, even it means denying obvious history, lying through his blind and deaf teeth, or condoning heinous acts of evil. When such acts are conclusively proved he palms it off with the placitiude that every organisation houses evil people. So they do, and I'm not saying Christianity or the RC Church is the only or main perpetrator. But at the head of all religions there is a core of evil that manipulates and twists and idiots like Scott only make their job easier and lives of decent Christian people like Ann, harder.

 

[Oddjob0226]

Thank you, thank you Jime! Thate was some goode shite. There's juste nothin' like a goode rante about unprovable things.


What he writes is legal becuase it has lasting entertainment value, like classical music, William Shakespeare, and movies like.... I don't know, Casablanca, or The Hulk.

 

[BigJim]

Thank you, thank you Jime! Thate was some goode shite. There's juste nothin' like a goode rante about unprovable things.

Fucke thate! 😀 (It's pronounced sh-eye-t. Unlike vowel munching colonials, we English only capitalise a second letter vowel if the word ends in 'e'. Thus "vitamin" is pronounced vit-a-min instead of viyt-a-min.)

It's not that it's unprovable; a lot of things people (including me) believe in, are scientifically unprovable. I find his words deeply offensive and innacurate. He may call the Devil the Prince of Lies, but he's giving him a damn good run for his money.

I feel a deep sympathy with the countless Christians across the world who express a loving spirituality through their Christian beliefs. I may not share their exact faith, but I do their philosophy. Having people spew filth like this across the internet makes their lives that much harder. If I'm wrong and Jesus is who the Bible says he is, then he must be really pissed off with people like Scott giving him such a bad name.

Of course, Revelation says the faithful will suffer insult and injury from the Devil's workers, so reading this would probably just re-inforce everything Scott already believes. Catch 22.......

What he writes is legal becuase it has lasting entertainment value, like classical music, William Shakespeare, and movies like.... I don't know, Casablanca, or The Hulk.

Personally I think The Hulk has a lot more artistic integrity. Anyone who's read my reviews of said film will appreciate just what I mean.

 

[Oddjob0226]

Fucke thate! 😀 (It's pronounced sh-eye-t. Unlike vowel munching colonials, we English only capitalise a second letter vowel if the word ends in 'e'. Thus "vitamin" is pronounced vit-a-min instead of viyt-a-min.)

Yeah, yeah, I've seen Snatch.....

It's not that it's unprovable; a lot of things people (including me) believe in, are scientifically unprovable.

Sure, but you don't rant about it. Now, if you'll excuse me, I have vowels to hoard.......

 

[BigJim]

Yeah, yeah, I've seen Snatch.....

You've got the advantage over me then.

Sure, but you don't rant about it. Now, if you'll excuse me, I have vowels to hoard.......

That's the nicest thing... *sniff*... that anyone's ever said to me. 😀

 

[Oddjob0226]

You've got the advantage over me then.

Oi, you ain't seen it? What are you, a Paki-bashing gypo living in a caravan sucking on a fag along with your bubble and squeek when you're not pullin' on a half pint of black and tan (that's right, I said HALF-pint!)?


[/i]
That's the nicest thing... *sniff*... that anyone's ever said to me. 😀 [/QUOTE]

Yeah - your rants are all provable!

(Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha burp ha ha ha ha ha! )


But back to the topic: I read an interesting article -I would have never finished a boring one after all.... It was commenting about this case and noted that there weren't actually any numbered commandments, when the original Hebrew launguages are translated more accurately. And the commandments were more intended specifically for Jews, while non-Jews had other laws to follow. That's the Old Testament. The New and More Economical Testament mentiones the most important law is "Love thy Neighbor". And those familiar 'western tombstone' looking tablets - they didn't exsist. They were more probably square or rectangle, that tombstone shape becoming more common when they were featured on a badge English Jews had to wear during the Dark Ages.

 

[Strelnikov]

I live in Alabama. Here's my take:

Roy Moore is a hustler like George Wallace was. This circus is Judge Roy's stand in the school house door. If the US Supreme Court reverses the lower court, Roy wins. If they don't, he still wins because he fought the good fight against the Gummint. I expect that he'll run for Governor next time around, and I'll have another opportunity to vote against him.

Strelnikov

 

[BigJim]

I live in Alabama. Here's my take:

Roy Moore is a hustler like George Wallace was. This circus is Judge Roy's stand in the school house door. If the US Supreme Court reverses the lower court, Roy wins. If they don't, he still wins because he fought the good fight against the Gummint. I expect that he'll run for Governor next time around, and I'll have another opportunity to vote against him.

Strelnikov

He's a bigot, a sexist and a fanatic who lets his personal beliefs colour the job he was appointed by the law and the vote of the electorate to do. (Not to mention being paid with tax dollars.) The asshole should wind his neck in and remember JUST FOR A SECOND that he can't apply for the job of God, as the vacancy has already been filled.

 

[BigJim]

Oi, you ain't seen it? What are you, a Paki-bashing gypo living in a caravan sucking on a fag along with your bubble and squeek when you're not pullin' on a half pint of black and tan (that's right, I said HALF-pint!)?

Something like that. I drink shorts though. 😛
Paki-basher? I'll have you know I saved a Pakistani gentleman who lives near me from drowning only two weeks ago! I took my foot of his head. 😀

Yeah - your rants are all provable!

(Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha burp ha ha ha ha ha! )

They are? Fuck me, why didn't someone tell me before?

But back to the topic: I read an interesting article -I would have never finished a boring one after all.... It was commenting about this case and noted that there weren't actually any numbered commandments, when the original Hebrew launguages are translated more accurately. And the commandments were more intended specifically for Jews, while non-Jews had other laws to follow. That's the Old Testament. The New and More Economical Testament mentiones the most important law is "Love thy Neighbor". And those familiar 'western tombstone' looking tablets - they didn't exsist. They were more probably square or rectangle, that tombstone shape becoming more common when they were featured on a badge English Jews had to wear during the Dark Ages.

More economical as in economical wih the truth? 🙄 It might just be called "Sun Worship For Beginners - 101".

Good point about the treatment of semitic peoples. Germany didn't have the historical market for bad treatment of jews cornered did it? Just as well Zyclon didn't exist back then though. As far as I can see, a community with plenty of Jews is more likely to be prosperous. In fact I think Winston Churchill said exactly that!

 

[Strelnikov]

The "separation of Church and State" argument is subject to differing interpretation, and Judge Roy isn't really too far out of the mainstream in this country. A national poll recently found that a majority of Americans (70% if memory serves) agrees with Roy that the display should not have been removed.

But there was a better reason for removing the Ten Commandments display from the Alabama Supreme Court building.

You can't post "Thou Shall Not Lie", "Thou Shalt Not Steal", and "Thou Shalt Not Commit Adultery" in a building full of lawyers and politicians without creating a hostile work environment.

Strelnikov

 

[BigJim]

The "separation of Church and State" argument is subject to differing interpretation, and Judge Roy isn't really too far out of the mainstream in this country. A national poll recently found that a majority of Americans (70% if memory serves) agrees with Roy that the display should not have been removed.

Does that 70% also agree that all homosexuals should be executed for their "deviant and degraded lifestyle"?

The point here isn't that the ten commandments aren't suitable for a court building. It's that this unmitigated wanker of a judge is not doing what his job description says. He isn't judging people according to and administering the law. He's acting like he's a 50% partner with God Himself in the scourge of all that is unclean from the face of the state. That was what was behind the erection of this monument and that is why it should be removed. Not because it's inherantly bad, but because of the motivation in it's creator.