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[cletus-factor]

Community I need your help on the biggest problem in my life right now. This message also contains some graphic writing so be warned.

You see, I've been reading The Game by Neil Strauss, and while I don't intend to be a pick-up artist at all, I have learned some very good tips to approaching women. One has been that if you act weird about what your fetishes are, or your dreams in life, then they will be weird, or if you say someday that means never. But he also says that you can get any girl according to this art. Now since I was 5 and my grandfather tickled the piss out of me like every time I seen him until I got older (and then he still tried it until I was in my early twenties) I have a tickle fetish. I haven't decided that at all, it just came naturally for me whenever I started to be a sexual creature, whether from my genetics or from my environment I'll never know, but I believe I always had a thing for feet.

That said, since the age that I knew that I liked the female of our species, I have yet to have any intimate encounters. I tickled the feet of my babysitter when I was 10, but that was so long ago (I'm 26 now) that I don't even remember what it was like exactly.

(warning, graphic paragraph) I get so hot watching tickling porn, but being 26 I want more out of life. I'm not against porn just yet, but I want the real thing. Do I get a girl into a relationship with me just for this, or do I pay a hooker just once to get this out of my system?

Neil Strauss in The Game says that there are 3 problems that everyone is always dealing with. Money, relationships, and health. I'd say I eat pretty good, and as of right now I have no serious illnesses, although I do have my share of life's little inconveniences such as I twitch a lot. As far as money goes, it's pretty crappy right now, but I am 3 months from graduating from a damn good accounting program with a 3.43/4.0 GPA. I don't think my finances will be too shabby in another 2-3 years, unless something major happens. But as for my love life it has went no where, nada, nothing.

I should add this paragraph to explain: I get a little cold towards people a lot of the time. The only reason I can come up with is my coping/defense strategy. I am too shy, horribly shy. Hot girls intimidate me, but I would feel so complete with one on my arm. She would have to have a great personality too. I just don't know how to go up to them and start a conversation. I do not have this problem around anyone I find unattractive/unsexual (like men). We have nursing students at the tech school and there are a lot of pretty girls who sit in the lunchroom, but I just can't get the nerve up to go talk to them. I have a problem with looking someone in the eye.

I am thinking about reading The Game twice after I've penciled in which parts he specifically talked about how to Game women. I would reread just those parts. And that sounds good, and I could probably surprise myself if I just went up to good looking women and started talking to them....

But then there's the whole tickling thing again. It's like I wouldn't want to keep it a secret for too long because I'd be wasting my time if she weren't the type of girl who likes that. However, if I bring it up too quick then she knows I'm all about sex and I'm a weirdo in her mind (yes, no?), maybe. I'm very socially inept when it comes to sexual attraction. A girl could be flirting with me and I probably wouldn't even know it, such is the life of a virgin who isn't into partying and doing the things young people usually do.

I'm not the kind of man who wants it on the first date, and I'm also the kind of man that when we do, I don't even know if I could do intercourse. In fact I never think about that part of a woman, I'm only into tickling her feet. I suppose I might surprise myself and actually be into screwing her, but I don't know at this point because I'm a virgin.

If anyone has any real tried and true advice on this matter, something that could give me the confidence to go out there and find a woman, and eventually get her into my tickling fantasy I'd love to hear about it. If your advice is good enough I might even pay you if it worked for me, because real information isn't free.

I almost wish there were PUA seminars still out there like Neil Strauss keeps talking about. Maybe there are, but I haven't looked into it yet.

Anyway this is driving me crazy. If only it were so easy you could go up to a girl and ask her if she wanted to get into a tickling scene with you and she would say yes : P

Thanks to any who answer,
Cletus

 

[Cbarton]

This may be just me talking, but sounds like the whole premise is off-base from the start. Relationships are not a "game." The heart of a woman is a prize to be won, that is for sure, but they are not a trophy. Maybe the title of the book you are using is throwing me off, but it by the title alone it sounds like a 'pick-up ' guide rather than a foundation for a real relationship.

No matter what 'type' you pursue, the key is to just be yourself. Be genuine. If you read interviews of the 'hot model' types, that is one common denominator. Most women can smell a fake a mile away and the ones that can't aren't worth having (lol). Most would suggest going to groups, associations, clubs, etc. that are areas you are interested in and find someone with similar likes. "Hot Model" types may look nice on the arm, but the outer only lasts so long and even the hottest knockout can fall out of favor if all you have is a shallow relationship based on each others looks and not the whole person.

True love was best defined to me as the total approximation of the exact needs of the other. A good relationship takes time and work. They don't happen overnight. If you find someone with similar interests, the shyness usually fades off.

The TK thing should work itself out over time. My marriage is TK free but I have found ways to cope with that (writing, coming here, etc.). Love is not a game, but a dance. You move with the music and the steps will follow. I'll celebrate 20 years of the dance with MDJ this June, so I have some insight here, since I was a non-partier, loner, shy guy myself.

Again, I'm not familiar with the book, but the title alone seems to scream at me the 1980's singles bar mentality rather than a guide to a solid, long-term relationship, which it sounds to me what you are really looking for.

 

[MrMidnyte]

I agree with hawkeye, its not a game. Bad things happen when you mess with a woman's heart. I also agree by being yourself. I myself was a shy person. I wanted to e more outgoing, so I chose jobs that required it. Such as retail, video stores or game store where you can build a rep with customers. I was even a model scout at a point. I can tell you it helps, you see all walks of life. Give it a shot.

 

[the_jimmy_james]

Mmhmm. Don't fall into the idea that you can just go through some steps and they work like magic.

For example, it's unlikely that stuff that would work with, say... Let's say Lacey Chabert (Some chick in movies). I hear her name a lot, and the photo I saw of her looks like she's a cheesy little teeny-bopper star. Things that work on her very likely wouldn't work on Sammi-chan, who'd probably laugh at you for even thinking about attempting those kinda moves.

There's no magical spell that will win the heart of a lady. Since they're human beings, each one of them is different. It's quite possible that what would endear you to a blushing starlet, might get you curbstomped by a punk-goth powerhouse.

 

[Duke Diablo]

Well, I agree with all said above, with one addendum:
You say you are shy about approaching girls. Remember that the worst thing that can happen to you is for her to say 'no' (unless you say something really rude, then you'll probably get slapped). I know that's the thing all males fear, 'what if she says no?'. I look at it this way: if I don't ask because I'm afraid she will say 'no', it's like she said no in the first place... same effect. This way, there's a chance she might say 'yes'... go in without expectations, go for a refusal, that way you can only be pleasantly surprised... or at least disappointment will be lesser.
And if you're concerned about what others might think, think of it as this: at least you had the balls to try. And if your friends start giving you 'I've never been rejected' crap, it can be because of only 2 reasons:
1. They are lying.
2. They never came up to a girl.

Trust me, there is NOBODY, and I mean nobody, who hasn't been rejected at least once (if he came up to a girl, that is). Such is life. But, there are other girls out there, and, if you keep trying, one will eventually say 'yes'.

Oh, about the pick-up lines, the one I always advise my friends to use, and the one I use myself (on the rare occasions a girl catches my eye... and I did get rejected, so it doesn't have to work 100%, it all depends if a girl likes you or not... as mentioned above, it's individual) is not really such a pick-up line... more like a way to start a conversation, stating exactly what you want from the girl. It goes like this:

*walk up to her, normally, without acting, just be yourself, offer her your hand for a handshake* "Hi. I'm xxx." (put your name instead of xxx)
If she tells you her name, and you don't get rejected at this point, continue this way:
*with a pleasant smile on your face, no grimaces, say in a polite manner*: "Nice to meet you, yyy(her name, a very good technique for remembering names is speaking it out, in this case without her noticing that you're trying to do so😉 ). Listen, I think you're a very pretty girl, so I was thinking maybe we could ..., and, if we find out that we like each other, we could start something more serious, or if we don't, we go separate ways."
The ... part depends on where you are. For example, if you meet her at disco, you ask to dance, if you meet her at the street, you ask her to go to coffee... stuff like that. Just be honest, natural, that's all, and don't take rejection too hard. Trust me, if she just says 'piss off' or something like that after this come-on, you don't want to be with her in the first place... they will mostly turn you down politely.

And about tickling... don't introduce it right away. If you mean it with a girl, introduce it slowly... since you said you like feet as well, if I remember correctly, you start by giving her foot massages, sneaking an occasional tickle in between, 'accidentally'. Also, it all depends on the girl... if you see that she simply can't stand tickling, don't torture her, try out if she can stand only light tickling, and if even that doesn't go, don't go for it... relationships are about working together, respecting each other... she should let you tickle her every once in a while, if for nothing, then for fun, and you shouldn't force her.

I think that's all I was going to say. Good luck, m8!

 

[cletus-factor]

The pick-up line doesn't work I have heard, and this book claims that you can't pussy foot around. If you go in acting like a man from the 50's and being all sweet you might go somewhere, but you might not. According to the book, yeah it's a one night stand guide, which is not me, but it is a way to build confidence which is really my biggest problem right now with walking up to a pretty girl. He says that a guy can run about 20 routines on her and these are proven human interaction methods. The first step is to walk up to a table of people (preferably more than one person) and from the start ignore the one you want. 2nd you demonstrate value by doing magic tricks, asking a question about something that you need a girls opinion on (if its a table full of only girls), or any other skill that you might have in conversation and human interaction. Give yourself a time constraint by saying, I won't be able to stay long, that way they know you won't be pestering them all night. If the object of your desire wants your attention you neg her, meaning you lightly insult her, like say is she always this spunky? Make yourself the prize is part of the mindset, and don't be afraid to walk away which will show that you are a scarce commodity.

Okay see that's the kind of information I'm looking for. Stuff that I haven't heard before. In the 12 hours since I wrote this post, I know what I'm really after and it is this:

I have all the parts of how to run the Game and get a girl to like me and I have an idea I would know how to keep a relationship going, although at 26 I'm not sure that I'm ready to commit seeing as how I have never even had 1 girl yet.

What I came here for was for someone to spin me a new way of looking at how to be confident, because that's my main problem. Maybe no one here has any ideas, but I'm just asking.

 

[duck171]

Since you are wanting to run game here are a few things that work for me.
Keep eye contact. Its easy, don't look frightened by her, look her dead in the eye and keep your eyes there. Girls don't want a guy they think is a wimp who can't hold their attention. This works really well if you have nice good looking eyes. Mine are very blue so it makes this work well. I can't tell you the times just introducing myself and looking in their eyes has broken the initial barrier. Usually they are like " wow you have really blue eyes", see conversation has already started.

I would also advise you to say she looks good. Just say hey you look really nice or something like that. Girls love to be told they look good, not too much though.

Posture is also important. Don't slouch, remember you are a confidant guy who has done this kind of thing tons of times. She doesn't need to think this is the first time you have approached a girl. Just remember, appearing confidant is very key. If she senses fear it won't work. Speak up, look her in the eyes and stand up like a man should and you never know what might happen.

 

[the_jimmy_james]

Oh yeah, on the same lines as posture...

Properly fitting clothes. You'd honestly be surprised how often a girl can overlook an out of shape body if you wear clothes that fit properly and look good on you. You can have $500 Armani pants, but if they're hanging down so that your asscrack is showing... chances are you're gonna get laughed out of the drinking establishment. If you're trim and fit, but you're wearing a stretched and faded T-shirt with a picture of Davey Facebasher of the WWF... yeah, you guessed it.

Laughed out of the establishment operated for the purpose of profiting from the sale of adult libations.

 

[Dannigrl]

On this board you can communicate your feelings well. I feel underneath you're probably a really great guy too, but like many guys who can't get that point across to women for whatever reason (many times the woman's at fault for that) you're being mislead by a book you're reading written by a guy so shallow and so thin you can see light through him.

Toss the book. Be yourself. There'a a great many ladies who love the thought of tickling and bondage. You'll find them. They'll find you. Take your time. It seems like forever right now at 26 but it'll happen. It took me years to find the right people to hook up with but it was worth the wait.

 

[duck171]

I have to agree with Danni. Throw away the book! Just be yourself and be confidant and good things will happen. I used to run a lot of game but it was all worthless. I found the girl of my dreams just being me. If you don't think this will work then I have shared a few things with you but I found my girl just being truthful and real. This doesn't work for all so....

 

[cletus-factor]

I wasn't planning on using the book exclusively, more for some tips which I've gotten from it.

I do need to get out of the house, that would be my first step, because all I ever do is go to schoo, work, and then home. There seems to be no single women at Wal-Mart oddly enough out of 400 employees, and there are a couple of nursing students as I said, but building up the nerve....

Anyway, there really isn't much to do in a town of 5000, and the town where I go to school is 15000. There are a couple of nice looking girls at this one coffee shoppe I've been going to for a writer's group, but I haven't really taken the time to talk to them, more that I've bought apple juice from them every time I go in there ; )

 

[tallbuckeye]

Maybe you're overthinking the whole thing. Are you looking for a vanilla relationship, or a tickling one, or both? Maybe you shouldn't initially mix the two; maybe I'm confused on that. But if you can't effectively meet people in person, connect anonymously; post a Craigslist ad for your area, or in the student or local alt paper, telling the reader exactly what you're looking for. All the people I've ever met who were into tickling I've either met online or through gatherings; not in one-on-one "pickups".

btw, use the book for ideas, nothing more. All just my opinion; best of luck.

 

[P[a]pi]

If you are trying to convert a vanilla person the best thing I can think of is be willing to take what you want to dish out.

Let her do you first. She will see that you survived and she will know that she has to let you get her back. I know this is a trust issue because she could do you and never let you do her, but that just means she is a liar and not the right one anyway.

If you are lucky and run into a female with a bondage/tickling fetish like yourself (I'd try to meet one here or at TMF, post in both personals areas) then it's a lot easier.

There less convincing to do. She is going to want to do something. All you two have to do is figure out what that is.



And most importantly, you have to be confident in yourself.

 

[cletus-factor]

When it comes to being tickled I'm like a dog with a bad experience that will not let you touch them there. If not for my grandfather I probably would have been just a foot fetishist. Honestly I feel secretive about this whole tickling thing anyway with other people. Only like 3 people in my real world dealings know of this.

 

[Stugots]

The Game is a good book!! But it's just Neil sharing his experiences while he was learning how to pick up women... it's not a guide on how to pick up women. If you want books on how to become better with women I suggest you check out The Art of Seduction by Robert Greene, The Mystery Method by Mystery, Undercover Sex Signals by Leil Lowndes, and Neil's other book called The Rules of The Game. These books are more practical if you decide to use what they have to offer.

Beautiful women aren't that confident!! Why does a beautiful woman intimidate you?? You've never had a relationship with a beautiful woman, so how did you form the conclusion that they're intimidating. Is it just because of the extra effort they spend on making their physical appearance look better??

How long do you take to get ready before you go out in public. 30 minutes, tops?? You shit, shave your face and shower and then you're out. Women gotta shit, shave their underarms, legs, face, around their vagina, shower, do their hair, nails and makeup, plus spend time looking for clothes that match. Women are so petty that they'll spend hours figuring out what to wear because everything has to match... even the shoes and the purse. They can take up to 3 hours to get ready to go out, sometimes longer!! Seems like women have some social anxieties as well, huh.

They go through that 3+ hour routine daily and it's for you and other men!! So, you're going to get nervous around somebody who's just as nervous and feel intimidated by that?? Consider that your first lesson in building up confidence to approach women!! Women are just as flawed as men are and they have it just as bad as men do... only in different areas. Your anxiety over what to say is their anxiety on what to look like.

 

[Dannigrl]

Forget the books and all the silly threads, and just be yourself.

 

[HOLLYWOOD]

the hollywood brother thinks it depends on what you is after. if you after a realtionship then be yourself and someone might come along. if you playing the game and keeping score by how many ladies that you sleep with then this game book might help. also you need to be comfortable with being alone. then you can enjoy porn more and be happier.

 

[QueenBeeBeeMari]

Community I need your help on the biggest problem in my life right now. This message also contains some graphic writing so be warned.

You see, I've been reading The Game by Neil Strauss, and while I don't intend to be a pick-up artist at all, I have learned some very good tips to approaching women. One has been that if you act weird about what your fetishes are, or your dreams in life, then they will be weird, or if you say someday that means never. But he also says that you can get any girl according to this art. Now since I was 5 and my grandfather tickled the piss out of me like every time I seen him until I got older (and then he still tried it until I was in my early twenties) I have a tickle fetish. I haven't decided that at all, it just came naturally for me whenever I started to be a sexual creature, whether from my genetics or from my environment I'll never know, but I believe I always had a thing for feet.

That said, since the age that I knew that I liked the female of our species, I have yet to have any intimate encounters. I tickled the feet of my babysitter when I was 10, but that was so long ago (I'm 26 now) that I don't even remember what it was like exactly.

(warning, graphic paragraph) I get so hot watching tickling porn, but being 26 I want more out of life. I'm not against porn just yet, but I want the real thing. Do I get a girl into a relationship with me just for this, or do I pay a hooker just once to get this out of my system?

Neil Strauss in The Game says that there are 3 problems that everyone is always dealing with. Money, relationships, and health. I'd say I eat pretty good, and as of right now I have no serious illnesses, although I do have my share of life's little inconveniences such as I twitch a lot. As far as money goes, it's pretty crappy right now, but I am 3 months from graduating from a damn good accounting program with a 3.43/4.0 GPA. I don't think my finances will be too shabby in another 2-3 years, unless something major happens. But as for my love life it has went no where, nada, nothing.

I should add this paragraph to explain: I get a little cold towards people a lot of the time. The only reason I can come up with is my coping/defense strategy. I am too shy, horribly shy. Hot girls intimidate me, but I would feel so complete with one on my arm. She would have to have a great personality too. I just don't know how to go up to them and start a conversation. I do not have this problem around anyone I find unattractive/unsexual (like men). We have nursing students at the tech school and there are a lot of pretty girls who sit in the lunchroom, but I just can't get the nerve up to go talk to them. I have a problem with looking someone in the eye.

I am thinking about reading The Game twice after I've penciled in which parts he specifically talked about how to Game women. I would reread just those parts. And that sounds good, and I could probably surprise myself if I just went up to good looking women and started talking to them....

But then there's the whole tickling thing again. It's like I wouldn't want to keep it a secret for too long because I'd be wasting my time if she weren't the type of girl who likes that. However, if I bring it up too quick then she knows I'm all about sex and I'm a weirdo in her mind (yes, no?), maybe. I'm very socially inept when it comes to sexual attraction. A girl could be flirting with me and I probably wouldn't even know it, such is the life of a virgin who isn't into partying and doing the things young people usually do.

I'm not the kind of man who wants it on the first date, and I'm also the kind of man that when we do, I don't even know if I could do intercourse. In fact I never think about that part of a woman, I'm only into tickling her feet. I suppose I might surprise myself and actually be into screwing her, but I don't know at this point because I'm a virgin.

If anyone has any real tried and true advice on this matter, something that could give me the confidence to go out there and find a woman, and eventually get her into my tickling fantasy I'd love to hear about it. If your advice is good enough I might even pay you if it worked for me, because real information isn't free.

I almost wish there were PUA seminars still out there like Neil Strauss keeps talking about. Maybe there are, but I haven't looked into it yet.

Anyway this is driving me crazy. If only it were so easy you could go up to a girl and ask her if she wanted to get into a tickling scene with you and she would say yes : P

Thanks to any who answer,
Cletus

Ok my question is why do you have to go talk to a girl with tickling her in mind or getting her to be your gf in mind. Why don't you just go up and strike a conversation just to talk to someone. That way you would have some practice before you hit the dating field. I understand how you feel though I have Social Anxiety Disorder I don't like trying to talk to new people eithier but just think if you talk to someone new it doesn't matter what they think because you probly won't see them again anyway

 

[cletus-factor]

To Stevereno:

They're intimidating because they're beautiful, and from what I've heard beautiful girls have heard it all, so how do I, an average looking man at best, get them to want to be with me? I see a beautiful woman and I get all tongue tied and even when I'm sitting in the breakroom at work I have no personality because I'm concerned that I'll say the wrong thing. Or worse I just stare and admire her beauty.

 

[cletus-factor]

You know another thing occurred to me after I posted just a minute ago and that is this: I think my biggest problem is not even being shy, but more that I don't think I'm worthy of a good looking chic. You see, I would love to have a family someday like my Aunt Twila's or my grandfather Lloyd's. He just died 2 weeks ago and I found out more about him than I ever knew. He was the man that women would call the keeper. My grandmother married him and they stayed married 62 years. He was kind, compassionate, charismatic, in a sense James Bond without all the action and spy world stuff. He could've gotten any woman, and he chose my grandmother. She was a fox when she was my age if I'm to believe the pictures that I see. He was also very handsome when he was my age. I was raised by my mother and my other set of grandparents and this side of my family is the complete opposite. They bicker and argue and never come around for the holidays. And I don't want that, BUT it's the only thing I know. It's my behavior set, or maybe I think it is, I don't know, but how to want to be there for another and be giving, and kind is totally beyond me yet. And maybe it's my age, but at 26, I feel time slipping away. Time when I could get a 18-25 year old woman and take her for my wife and be a happily ever after story. At the moment I would make a not so great husband and I'm afraid that even if I could attract a good looking woman she would realize that and leave me. So why even bother? Hmmm?

This is funny, I know myself, and yet I can't correct it. I know what I should want to do, and that is be more like my grandfather Lloyd, but I don't want that, because I am very selfish and that would require me to not to be.

But yet, being a young man, I still have the sex drive compelling me to want a female even though I know I'm not ready yet and so I'm in the middle and suffering greatly because of that.

I mean is it okay to be selfish? Am I holding myself to too high of a standard?

So basically to sum it up, I feel I wasn't raised in an appropriate way and so as an adult I don't feel worthy of a good looking woman. Why would she stay for me?

I have to stop playing World of Warcraft lol.

 

[Samyueru]

Dude, everyone else on this thread has already given you the best 2 pieces of advice you'll ever hear in your life, not just for relationships, but for EVERYTHING you'll ever do.

1. Be yourself. Your friends like you because you're you! Why should a partner be any different? If you pretend to be someone you're not, then they won't love YOU, they'll love the person you're PRETENDING to be.

Take me. I, in my own eyes, am ugly. I play D&D, WoW and other "nerdy" games. I like anime, I'm interested in Japanese culture, and I'm not the most sociable person out there.

And yet I take a stance that if someone laughs at me for who I am, they don't deserve me.

I am me. Love me or hate me, but I'll never change.

2. Be confident. This isn't something that's going to happen overnight, but in the long run, it will help you. A LOT. Being confident gets you jobs, it gets you more long term friends, and, best of all, it makes you feel fantastic about yourself! If you can look in the mirror, and look past what you see to the person you are and think "I'm happy with who I am", that's half the battle right there! Work on it dude. Every time you look in the mirror, find one more thing about yourself (appearance or personality) that you like.

Also, as for starting up conversations, find common interests. I know loads of girls who play WoW, D&D and who like anime. And these girls aren't the best looking girls on the planet, but I'd go out with them quicker than a super model, because I have something in common with them.

Good luck dude.

 

[Duke Diablo]

This is funny, I know myself, and yet I can't correct it. I know what I should want to do, and that is be more like my grandfather Lloyd, but I don't want that, because I am very selfish and that would require me to not to be.

Why wouldn't you be able to correct it? It's more like you don't want to. The thing you said later confirms it:

I mean is it okay to be selfish? Am I holding myself to too high of a standard?

Being selfish in relationship is not ok. You don't have to be a little pet running around on her whim, but expecting her to put up with your selfishness is kind of asking too much. Relationships are about working together, each side being respectful of the other, as equal. If you can't do that, don't start it.

So basically to sum it up, I feel I wasn't raised in an appropriate way and so as an adult I don't feel worthy of a good looking woman. Why would she stay for me?

Well, what you have here is a tricky situation. Basically, you want to be with a woman just because she looks good, and you want her to overlook your looks, but you also want her to put up with your selfishness. I hate to sound rude, but you are really not offering her anything. After all, a relationship should be fun and enjoyable for both sides (that is why I'm not in a relationship nor do I want to be), while you only look that she pleases you. That's not a healthy relationship.

But yet, being a young man, I still have the sex drive compelling me to want a female even though I know I'm not ready yet and so I'm in the middle and suffering greatly because of that.

Why not try and associate with girls a little? Then you'd know what to do. Don't just go for the girl for the looks (I'm not saying that you have to hit on to anybody, but she doesn't have to be gorgeous just for you to approach her), try and go for personality. Trust me, if they look good and are b****es, you won't be happy with them. You'll probably be able to stand her for a week or two, and then she'll become disgusting.

 

[Stugots]

You have the right to blame society and the people who raised you for your shortcomings with women!! But do you want to learn how to get better or do you want to use your shit upbringing?? You can't use both because one helps and the other doesn't. It becomes your fault when you don't want to become a better person and be your best self!!

It's their fault and damn that average Kevin Arnold character in the Wonder Years who taught young boys to only court one women who was sometimes cold and sometimes hot when there were other women who were treating him much better!! Damn that Eric Mathews character (from Boy Meets World) who was only a first baseman throughout most of the series!! There's so much more you can do with women besides talk to them on the phone and make out with them!! Damn Walt Disney for not teaching young boys what's required to attract women because being nice doesn't do it!!

And damn all those people who don't know how to attract women because there are lots of them around!! They'll say cliche shit such as "Be yourself (that's real helpful if you're somebody that doesn't know what the fuck to do)" or "Look for things in common to chat about (kiss her ass and give her your balls to juggle around)" or "Smile (creep her out)" or "Be confident (wtf is confidence anyways?? Act like you know what you're doing when you don't??).

What you've managed to stumble upon is quite a taboo topic!! There's so much shit available on how to have great sex and long lasting relationships, but so little is available on how to get the woman in bed and even start the relationship!! There's some really good cliche advice being given here if you're already in a relationship and if you know what you want... but you're a virgin who probably hasn't even played first base.

You really have to do some work on yourself before working on women because your views are what's preventing you from succeeding!!

You're like a poorly built house right now... and adding some new windows, bathrooms, kitchen counter tops, a fresh coat of paint, and even the snazziest welcome mats that have witty sayings won't work because the house is still built poorly!! When the weather changes and time goes on, your house won't be able to stand and all that new snazzy shit will be buried or even wrecked.

You gotta bulldoze that house and rebuild it with stronger frames of mind!! The best way to start this is to think of a time when you were talking to a beautiful woman that didn't intimidate you. If you ever talked to a beautiful woman who didn't intimidate you, that cancels out your view on beautiful women intimidating you. There was a time when a beautiful woman didn't intimidate you, so build with that!! For every negative experience you are stuck to, think of instances where the outcome was the opposite for a counter attack... and use those instances as references instead of the negative ones, or place the positive experiences above the negative ones.

 

[cletus-factor]

I came to the conclusion yesterday that I'm not ready to grow up yet even though I am 26. However, in the meantime (meaning outside of my school/work/sleep/play WoW time) I have 4 things that I need to do.

1. I need to learn how to read women. I need to learn what to say when and why. That's why I read the Game and Essential Manners for Men, and Sales techniques that work.

Say does anyone have any experience with David DeAngelo's works? I was seriously thinking of using his paypal account to get his book about how to pick-up girls, seduce them and well just learn to read them and know what to do as I just said.

2. Figure out where the women are that I want to date. I'm pretty sure that I could get a one night stand at a bar and that would be cool with me because I am a sex crazed animal. On the other hand, I'm not an asshole to be using women like that. I have found recently that coffee shops might work because I am a nerd at heart and a thinker too. I did have an informal date with a girl here not too long ago. She was married (he was in Iraq and knew we were getting together). I spent the evening talking with her about death and God, and neutrinos. She was fascinated by the physics thing and kept asking me to repeat neutrinos to her so she could tell her husband about them next time they talked lol.

3. I need to learn confidence. I've been writing my resume lately because I'm almost done with college and I've learned that there are things which I'm a genius at.

4. I need to leave my safety zone (my house) and start taking risks.