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Martin Luther King Jr

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Just opening the floor for discussion.

This is a little encyclopedia snippet for y'all. 🙂
Joby



U.S. civil-rights leader. Born in Atlanta, he became an adherent of nonviolence philosophies while in college. Ordained a Baptist minister in 1954, he became pastor of a church in Montgomery, Ala. He received his doctorate from Boston Univ. in 1955.

He was selected to head the Montgomery Improvement Assn., whose efforts soon ended the city's public-transport segregation policies. In 1957 he formed the Southern Christian Leadership Conference and began lecturing nationwide, urging active nonviolence to achieve civil rights for blacks.

In 1960 he returned to Atlanta to become copastor with his father of Ebenezer Baptist Church. He was arrested for protesting segregation at a lunch counter and jailed; the case drew national attention, and presidential candidate J. F. Kennedy interceded to obtain his release.

In 1963 King helped organize the March on Washington, an assembly of more than 200,000 protestors at which he made his famous "I have a dream" speech. The march influenced the passage of the 1964 Civil Rights Act, and King was awarded the 1964 Nobel Peace Prize. In 1965 he was criticized from within the civil-rights movement for yielding to state troopers at a march in Selma, Ala., and failing in the effort to change Chicago's housing segregation policies. He broadened his advocacy to address the plight of the poor of all races and oppose the Vietnam War.

In 1968 he went to Memphis, Tenn., to support a strike by sanitation workers; there on April 4, he was assassinated by J. E. Ray.

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I have a Dream
by Martin Luther King, Jr.
Delivered on the steps at the Lincoln Memorial in Washington D.C. on August 28, 1963

Five score years ago, a great American, in whose symbolic shadow we stand signed the Emancipation Proclamation. This momentous decree came as a great beacon light of hope to millions of Negro slaves who had been seared in the flames of withering injustice. It came as a joyous daybreak to end the long night of captivity.

But one hundred years later, we must face the tragic fact that the Negro is still not free. One hundred years later, the life of the Negro is still sadly crippled by the manacles of segregation and the chains of discrimination. One hundred years later, the Negro lives on a lonely island of poverty in the midst of a vast ocean of material prosperity. One hundred years later, the Negro is still languishing in the corners of American society and finds himself an exile in his own land. So we have come here today to dramatize an appalling condition.

In a sense we have come to our nation's capital to cash a check. When the architects of our republic wrote the magnificent words of the Constitution and the declaration of Independence, they were signing a promissory note to which every American was to fall heir. This note was a promise that all men would be guaranteed the inalienable rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

It is obvious today that America has defaulted on this promissory note insofar as her citizens of color are concerned. Instead of honoring this sacred obligation, America has given the Negro people a bad check which has come back marked "insufficient funds." But we refuse to believe that the bank of justice is bankrupt. We refuse to believe that there are insufficient funds in the great vaults of opportunity of this nation. So we have come to cash this check -- a check that will give us upon demand the riches of freedom and the security of justice. We have also come to this hallowed spot to remind America of the fierce urgency of now. This is no time to engage in the luxury of cooling off or to take the tranquilizing drug of gradualism. Now is the time to rise from the dark and desolate valley of segregation to the sunlit path of racial justice. Now is the time to open the doors of opportunity to all of God's children. Now is the time to lift our nation from the quicksands of racial injustice to the solid rock of brotherhood.

It would be fatal for the nation to overlook the urgency of the moment and to underestimate the determination of the Negro. This sweltering summer of the Negro's legitimate discontent will not pass until there is an invigorating autumn of freedom and equality. Nineteen sixty-three is not an end, but a beginning. Those who hope that the Negro needed to blow off steam and will now be content will have a rude awakening if the nation returns to business as usual. There will be neither rest nor tranquility in America until the Negro is granted his citizenship rights. The whirlwinds of revolt will continue to shake the foundations of our nation until the bright day of justice emerges.

But there is something that I must say to my people who stand on the warm threshold which leads into the palace of justice. In the process of gaining our rightful place we must not be guilty of wrongful deeds. Let us not seek to satisfy our thirst for freedom by drinking from the cup of bitterness and hatred.

We must forever conduct our struggle on the high plane of dignity and discipline. We must not allow our creative protest to degenerate into physical violence. Again and again we must rise to the majestic heights of meeting physical force with soul force. The marvelous new militancy which has engulfed the Negro community must not lead us to distrust of all white people, for many of our white brothers, as evidenced by their presence here today, have come to realize that their destiny is tied up with our destiny and their freedom is inextricably bound to our freedom. We cannot walk alone.

And as we walk, we must make the pledge that we shall march ahead. We cannot turn back. There are those who are asking the devotees of civil rights, "When will you be satisfied?" We can never be satisfied as long as our bodies, heavy with the fatigue of travel, cannot gain lodging in the motels of the highways and the hotels of the cities. We cannot be satisfied as long as the Negro's basic mobility is from a smaller ghetto to a larger one. We can never be satisfied as long as a Negro in Mississippi cannot vote and a Negro in New York believes he has nothing for which to vote. No, no, we are not satisfied, and we will not be satisfied until justice rolls down like waters and righteousness like a mighty stream.

I am not unmindful that some of you have come here out of great trials and tribulations. Some of you have come fresh from narrow cells. Some of you have come from areas where your quest for freedom left you battered by the storms of persecution and staggered by the winds of police brutality. You have been the veterans of creative suffering. Continue to work with the faith that unearned suffering is redemptive.

Go back to Mississippi, go back to Alabama, go back to Georgia, go back to Louisiana, go back to the slums and ghettos of our northern cities, knowing that somehow this situation can and will be changed. Let us not wallow in the valley of despair.

I say to you today, my friends, that in spite of the difficulties and frustrations of the moment, I still have a dream. It is a dream deeply rooted in the American dream.

I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal."

I have a dream that one day on the red hills of Georgia the sons of former slaves and the sons of former slaveowners will be able to sit down together at a table of brotherhood.

I have a dream that one day even the state of Mississippi, a desert state, sweltering with the heat of injustice and oppression, will be transformed into an oasis of freedom and justice.

I have a dream that my four children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.

I have a dream today.

I have a dream that one day the state of Alabama, whose governor's lips are presently dripping with the words of interposition and nullification, will be transformed into a situation where little black boys and black girls will be able to join hands with little white boys and white girls and walk together as sisters and brothers.

I have a dream today.

I have a dream that one day every valley shall be exalted, every hill and mountain shall be made low, the rough places will be made plain, and the crooked places will be made straight, and the glory of the Lord shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together.

This is our hope. This is the faith with which I return to the South. With this faith we will be able to hew out of the mountain of despair a stone of hope. With this faith we will be able to transform the jangling discords of our nation into a beautiful symphony of brotherhood. With this faith we will be able to work together, to pray together, to struggle together, to go to jail together, to stand up for freedom together, knowing that we will be free one day.

This will be the day when all of God's children will be able to sing with a new meaning, "My country, 'tis of thee, sweet land of liberty, of thee I sing. Land where my fathers died, land of the pilgrim's pride, from every mountainside, let freedom ring."

And if America is to be a great nation this must become true. So let freedom ring from the prodigious hilltops of New Hampshire. Let freedom ring from the mighty mountains of New York. Let freedom ring from the heightening Alleghenies of Pennsylvania!

Let freedom ring from the snowcapped Rockies of Colorado!

Let freedom ring from the curvaceous peaks of California!

But not only that; let freedom ring from Stone Mountain of Georgia!

Let freedom ring from Lookout Mountain of Tennessee!

Let freedom ring from every hill and every molehill of Mississippi. From every mountainside, let freedom ring.

When we let freedom ring, when we let it ring from every village and every hamlet, from every state and every city, we will be able to speed up that day when all of God's children, black men and white men, Jews and Gentiles, Protestants and Catholics, will be able to join hands and sing in the words of the old Negro spiritual, "Free at last! free at last! thank God Almighty, we are free at last!"
 
Benefits...

I think you may overlook the tangible benefits of the civil rights movement a bit too quickly. Are you assuming none of the technological or even local advances in infrastructure can't be traced to an increase in a solid middle class population....a greater tax base and more people dedicated to a prosperous community? Perhaps a politician has been elected that wouldn't have been prior to this era, and has done your area a bit of good?

Regardless, it's an incredible speech, although much of the sentiments have been perverted into violence and hatred at times.....

May we all live to see a day when every person is judged on their actions and character. That's the message I've always taken away from this majestic bit of prose....

Don't worry, the post office and the banks WILL reopen...lol.
😉 Q
 
Thanks for posting the info on MLK Jr. and his speech, Joby, and for the insight, Q. CDFGA, regardless of what you think of the man, he made a HUGE difference in the civil rights movement. He, Rosa Parks, and others helped to get rid of de facto segregation in the South and opened America's eyes to the true meaning of the Constitution and equality for all. No, I don't think you're racist, and even if you don't think he benefited you, it's a holiday, so just enjoy it. Peace. 🙂
 
Thanks for posting the full text of that speech, JoBelle. I can remember hearing it on television back in August 1963.
 
Re: Sighhhh,.......

CDFGA said:
Ok, I know some will debate me, but oh well, I am not a racist, but I am a white Male from the south, and I see nothing that he has done to benefit me. I know some of the things he has said and done have benefitted some, but not me personally. So I can't sit here (or anywhere) and hooray left and right, 'cause it's the politically correct thing to do, it's just another day for me. I sit back and let the ones who have benefitted from his work do all the celebrating, and don't get involved. But now the post office is closed, along with the banks, all over the internet and TV it's in my face, and his arrogant children are always on TV fighting over something. And now here it is, on the T.M.F. ....Oh well, y'all go ahead and cuss me out. But I do believe I am being polite, honest, and I do also have a right to my opinion.


I used to work at a factory several years ago. Manual labor stuff. I am white, but about 80% of the work force there was black. Some people were cool, and while I hate the "N" word, I would say a good percentage of them fit that description..."look what the White Man did to me", type talk from them was common. In fact, the foreman of the factory had to close down for MLK because most of the blacks just took off. Only a very few of them showed up.

They were not interested in working and earning what they got. They would say that they "deserved" it, because of what "we did to them".

My grandfather told me that the "new blood" (that's what he calls the kids) do not even know who MLK was, but just knew it was a day off from school and work.
 
Although not all of the posts in this thread were positive, I thought I would resurrect it in light of some of the other threads that are being given much more airtime (thread-time?) on a day designed to celebrate the life, accomplishments, and courage of a man who DIDN'T sit back and say "Look what the white man did to me".
 
Thanks, Tracy. I agree, he DIDN'T just sit back, he FOUGHT back, and won. Unfortunately, he wasn't able to savor the victory for long. 🙁

Mila, if I'd been around in 1963, I would've loved to have been in Washington, D.C. to see MLK give his speech. Even Bob Dornan and Charlton Heston were in the crowd! 😀

TickleMaster, I'm sure there are people who take MLK's work for granted or use it to blast the white man, and yes, everyone should know about what he did for our country. When you worked at that factory, was there an MLK Jr. Day? I think 1986 was when it was put into law, so unless you were there before then, I don't think anyone HAD to work, since it's a federal holiday. No doubt there are opportunists out there, but that doesn't change the fact that Martin Luther King Jr. was a great man and did much to further racial equality in this country, IMHO. 🙂
 
My take..

In his position, at that period in time, it was a true demonstration of courage. It was an amazing speech, and one that will be remembered until the end of time.
 
the flip side of the coin

he was also a womanizer (only white women).
he took money from the soviet union.
for all his non-violent claimes, every one of his appearences resulted in full scale riots.
this is not a man to honor, no matter what his color!
steve
 
ROFLMAO Areenactor if you're gonna make accusations at least make them sound believeable.
 
ShiningIce said:
ROFLMAO Areenactor if you're gonna make accusations at least make them sound believeable.

ah ice, i do realize it is hard to hear, and believe that someone whom we view as a hero is less that what we've always thought.
my new years resolution was to tolerate people of the liberal mind set. so in that light, i will only say; believe what you will, but your personaly held ideas don't shape the truth.
steve
p.s. it's rotflmao, not roflmao
 
areenactor said:


ah ice, i do realize it is hard to hear, and believe that someone whom we view as a hero is less that what we've always thought.
my new years resolution was to tolerate people of the liberal mind set. so in that light, i will only say; believe what you will, but your personaly held ideas don't shape the truth.
steve
p.s. it's rotflmao, not roflmao
Being from the South myself, MKK, Jr. is not the big hero by all! Even the a lot of the blacks didn't like him.

And Areenactor, it could be roflmao <-----depending on how you say it. There are no rules there, are they? Nah!😉
 
Some blacks viewed him as too passive...true. Areenactor you've made it a point to be a complete @#$ when it comes to minority issues. Its ironic to know that you are in fact a minority...
 
Ice, almost everyone of yours posts is a three sentence rant against somone lately. Have a bit of grace to not muddle up the thread that you at least AGREE WITH in premise. Take it elsewhere if you're going to have your typical, "The man is holding down the minorities" crap.

And Steve, if you're going to hijack a thread about someone's accomplishments, and tarnish it with accusations, then at least have the balls to post the source of your information. I'd certainly appreciate it.

Frankly, I'm trempted to delete this thread for the negativity y'all insist on bringing in. It's happening all over the boards. Take a freakin' PILL! If you disagree, then don't start tossing in insults!

Black, White, Yellow, Red...I don't give a god damned rat's ass what color you are. You're all a bunch of jerks who insist that the other person is wrong, stupid, ill-informed, lazy, racist, the root of all problems facing me and my kind...blahblahblah ....shall I continue?

GROW UP for cryin' out loud!

Jo:sowrong: 😡
 
JoBelle said:
Ice, almost everyone of yours posts is a three sentence rant against somone lately. Have a bit of grace to not muddle up the thread that you at least AGREE WITH in premise. Take it elsewhere if you're going to have your typical, "The man is holding down the minorities" crap.

And Steve, if you're going to hijack a thread about someone's accomplishments, and tarnish it with accusations, then at least have the balls to post the source of your information. I'd certainly appreciate it.

Frankly, I'm trempted to delete this thread for the negativity y'all insist on bringing in. It's happening all over the boards. Take a freakin' PILL! If you disagree, then don't start tossing in insults!

Black, White, Yellow, Red...I don't give a god damned rat's ass what color you are. You're all a bunch of jerks who insist that the other person is wrong, stupid, ill-informed, lazy, racist, the root of all problems facing me and my kind...blahblahblah ....shall I continue?

GROW UP for cryin' out loud!

Jo:sowrong: 😡

I agree with you....I just hate it when people demand that everybody else respects their opinions and views, but are not willing to demonstrate the same respect to others, in return.

That's my only beef with certian people on this board.

Like I said before, respect is a 2-way street. You have to give it, to get it.

Respect is not something that can be threatened, bullied, or intimidated out of people.

It has to be earned.
 
ice, since you insist on being childish...

ShiningIce said:
Some blacks viewed him as too passive...true. Areenactor you've made it a point to be a complete @#$ when it comes to minority issues. Its ironic to know that you are in fact a minority...
i'll use an expression from childhood that you may understand; sticks and stones may brake my bones, but names will never hurt me!
or how about; i'm rubber, your glue, bounces off me and sticks to you!
ok i'll bite how am i a minority? (cause i my own mind, i'm not).
steve
 
Why is it the amount of skin pigment melanin causes so many differences among you humans? I have no skin, no bones, only a highly charged superplasma yet no one seems to dislike me. If you can like me why can't you like each other?
 
Random Gibberish from Someone Who is Sleepy

Ever notice that if a purebred dog mates with a dog of another breed or a mixed breed, the owner of that dog tends to get really pissed off about it, like their dog has been tainted or something? Do you think the dog really cares, or is it thinking, "I just got laid by another dog! I'm preserving the species! Alright!"

Why are humans the only ones who seem to care about that crap?

I wonder what would happen if we all tried to mate with each other, creating one giant melting pot for the future of human society. Maybe we'd breed the "perfect" race of human. I wonder what a person with every known ethnic background would look like... Perhaps they'd have wings and a third eye.... No, that sounds too freaky. I need to go to bed. Goodnight.........:zzzzz:
 
Joby, and Flatfoot, I'm with both of you on this. This board is really getting out of hand lately. You can't say a bloomin' thing around here these days without touching off an argument. And if you DARE suggest that maybe, just maybe, some of these people could tone it down a little, you get an angry response along the lines of "I don't care about being politically correct!" (as if political correctness and respecting other people enough not to be a dick are the same thing). Witness the long, bitter argument that went on in another thread over "censorship" (i.e., someone wanting the right to indulge in name-calling as a way of making their points).

If, after accessing this board, you walk away from your computer muttering angry stuff about somebody's politics, instead of enjoying your all-too-brief amount of free time enjoying a few laughs with fellow tickling kooks, it's a sign that you need to get on to some other topic and stop taking these posts here so damn seriously.
 
I know hardly anything about MLK, but I think this is what I've got so far.

In an extremely conservative and prejudiced time (not that the two are mutually exclusive, to avoid another goddam argument/whinge), he encouraged and brought about the end of open racism in America. Now everyone can hate each other for the person they are underneath, and not the colour of their skin 😛

Am I right?

Biggles
 
ok, i'll give you a couple sources

but first joby how did i hijack this thread?
is it hijacking to offer an opinion? if so, then everyone who replied to every thread is a hijacker.

1) the f.b.i.
2) the city of chicago
3) the chicago police dept.
4) my father, who witnessed all of my "allagations" first hand, and came home shocked, and amazed.
but as i said before, those that loved m.l.k. will not believe any bad press. so believe what you will, but just cause you don't believe something doesn't mean it's not true!
steve
 
Steve,

I don't think that anyone is saying you don't have a right to state your opinion. But understand, Martin Luther King Jr was fighting for a cause he believed in. Wether he was too passive (I don't agree, because I don't think he would have had the same success if he'd gone about it with violence) or wether he was a womanizer (who cares? I don't, certainly not any more than I cared about Bill Clintons' ridiculous activities), he got the job done, and helped to make the world I was born into a better place..

So far as only white women, well, who knows if that might not have had some part in his strong desire to end the seperation/segregation of the races? Morally correct or not, if it aided in making it so that one of my best friends growing up was black, and I never questioned it, well, what can I say?

So far as full scale riots, well, if you've lived as someone less than equal than those around you all of your life, and someone manages to step up, and be NOTICED and SUCCESSFUL in making that way of life change for the better, a little exuberance is in order. If it went beyond that, that's crowd mentality, not something King set out to do, I'm sure..
 
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