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My Mom is ticklish series...

aviator202

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Where did the my Mom is ticklish series go?.....I've searched and been unable to find it...I believe the artist was Fluke....If anyone has it...please post!!!

Thanx!!!
 
I was told that he took it down since the tickler he put was underage. It was disappointed to be honest...not sure when he'll put it somewhere or if he decided to do it but it won't be here anymore I'm afraid.
 
It involved a minor, so it was taken down. That's against the TOS here. As long as all participants are over 18 it is allowed, but under 18 is illegal in the USA and will be removed. Just a heads up for the future.
 
My Mom is Ticklish

I hope the brilliant cartoonist who did the series is following this thread. There are a few Yahoo groups that are into mother tickling, specifically ticklishmoms, sonstickletheirmoms and one or two others. I am sure they would be tickled pink to get this series, AND he would have a lot more "creative lattitude" , so to speak for future issues 😉
 
bummer. great comic.

only flaw i guess is that the 'lers shoulda been college aged instead of high school.
 
Why didn't he just draw a beard on the character and say it was a midget? :3
 
Why didn't he just draw a beard on the character and say it was a midget? :3

Silly. if he did that, then it would no longer be a daughter. And then it would be completely different. ^^;
 
hi guys your comments are funny. :stickout if i put beard to them maybe i could change the scnene to a circus lol.
 
Is there any one who can read Russian? I really want to download the series from the Russian websites provided but I don't read Russian. I tried to use an online translator but it's too limited for the vast forums. Thanks in advance.
 
anyone who want something of the series that i posted here can conctact mne and i send it
 
The thing I don't understand is does the law say "any involvement of a minor in porn is illegal" and does that really include artwork? Artwork of minors being dominated I can TOTALLY understand but what if the minor is the dominator (such as two little sisters tickling a bound/gagged babysitter or a made up world were children dominate the adults and treat them like slaves)?
 
well it's reasonable that underage porn is illegal. but there wasn't any sexual on the comic, i have seen more explicite scenes about underage in the tickling art. more than my comic had. but this is tickling not sex.
 
u r right

well it's reasonable that underage porn is illegal. but there wasn't any sexual on the comic, i have seen more explicite scenes about underage in the tickling art. more than my comic had. but this is tickling not sex.

i totally agree, btw are you going to continue your comic elsewhere?
 
The thing I don't understand is does the law say "any involvement of a minor in porn is illegal" and does that really include artwork? Artwork of minors being dominated I can TOTALLY understand but what if the minor is the dominator (such as two little sisters tickling a bound/gagged babysitter or a made up world were children dominate the adults and treat them like slaves)?

Artwork is actually not illegal in the US. Not sure what that other poster was talking about when he said it was. Nude or sexual photos of anyone under the age of 18 is illegal, but artwork (ie lolicon) is not illegal, although it is generally frowned upon and there is a movement afoot to make it illegal. It is, however, against the rules of this forum, even to the point of referencing such acts (in a text story, or personal experiences). So that's why it was removed. But it's not illegal, at least not in the US.

Edit:

Actually, I did a little research, and it looks like there have been new developments and, while not yet outright illegal, its legality is now very much in question. Still, the only way it can be found as illegal is if it considered "obscene" by the Miller Test, which is quite a subjective thing in and of itself and is not limited to pornography. Still, the only one who has been convicted is Chris Handley, whose comic book collection contained some lolicon. The ruling was a very controversial one it seems, and the Comic Book Legal Defense Fund got involved on his behalf (Neil Gaiman being the most high profile of his supporters). He agreed to a plea bargain and they dropped the obscenity charges (not quite sure what that means since that's what he was pleading guilty to, LOL). Still that set a precedent making it more likely that courts can judge a work of art to be obscene if there are depictions of minors in lewd situations. I think the situations have to be quite lewd though. Tickling probably wouldn't be considered obscene. But it's still against the TOS.


Chris Handley's Lawyer actually posted an excellent write-up on the issue:

Christopher Handley’s Attorney Comments On His Case
Posted by admin on March 2nd, 2010 at 4:20 PM[Translate]


March 2, 2010

Los Angeles, California

On February 11, 2010, Christopher Handley was sentenced in Iowa for possession of Manga books and magazines. The prosecution, which began in 2006, was based on the notion that the cartoon images were obscene. My name is Eric Chase and I am Chris Handley’s attorney. I have been reading some of the comments about Chris’ case and have noted some considerable confusion about the process that Chris went through as well as the state of obscenity law in the United States. In the hope that it will help others avoid Chris’ situation and aid the understanding of those outraged by the outcome, I feel it appropriate to now explain the case from our perspective.

Of all the comments I have come across, perhaps the most interesting to me was one made shortly after Chris entered his guilty plea. It was a criticism of a statement I made in a Wired Magazine interview. I said, “Obscenity is the only law I’m aware of, if a client shows me a book or magazine or movie, and asks me if this image is illegal, I can’t tell them.” The criticism was, “Lawyers who specialize in obscenity cases…track jury verdicts and can tell you with nearly 100% reliability whether what they’re looking at would be ruled obscene by a jury….”

First, the idea that any lawyer can tell anyone with anything approaching 100% certainty what a jury will decide about anything is just plain silly. Jurors are people. As such, any trial lawyer will agree that the only thing predictable about juries is that they are unpredictable. Second, look at the Max Hardcore case. He was represented by Louis Sirkin, who is widely regarded as the top obscenity lawyer in the country. He is the lawyer who won Free Speech Coalition v. Ashcroft in the U.S. Supreme Court. Max Hardcore was a prolific producer of “cutting edge” pornography that many found disgusting. For example, it included urination as a form of degradation role-play. However, it occurred between, was distributed by, and was purchased by consenting adults. Despite Mr. Sirkin’s exceptional arguments regarding artistic merit, freedom of speech, and community standards, Max Hardcore was convicted by a jury and was sentenced to 46 months in federal prison. (On its initial appeal, the verdict was upheld but it has been remanded for re-sentencing). In fact, that verdict, which is as ridiculous as the prosecution of Chris Handley, was particularly disheartening as we considered plea offers.

In understanding Chris’ situation, you have to understand the Ashcroft opinion, which has been universally and tragically, at least for Chris, misunderstood. That case held that sexual images of virtual minors could not be prosecuted as child pornography. However, it did not hold that virtual child pornography was legal. Rather, it expressly stated that those depictions could be prosecuted as obscenity under the Miller standard. In short hand, Miller’s three prongs require for conviction a finding that a depiction is 1) sexual in nature (prurient); 2) patently offensive; and 3) lacking in serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value. The first two prongs are judged by community standards and the third by an objective standard.

Chris, like most everyone else who had only heard about Ashcroft from news accounts that shoddily reported that the Supreme Court had “legalized virtual child porn,” believed the magazines were legal when he bought them. As importantly, Chris was not a collector exclusively of lolicon. He was a collector of all things manga. Of the thousands of books and magazines found by the Feds at Chris’ home, only about twenty had questionable content and ultimately only seven were charged as clearly depicting the violent sexual abuse of obviously very young children.

What Chris did not know was that in direct response to the Supreme Court’s suggestion in Ashcroft, Congress passed 18 USC 1466A, which criminalized as obscenity a laundry list of virtual depictions, including comics, that portray the sexualization of children. The big difference between 1466A and the general obscenity statute is that the former carries a 5 year mandatory minimum sentence for the more serious charge of “receipt” (and is cross-referenced in the Federal Sentencing Guidelines to child pornography so it gets the same presumptive sentence as if it were real child porn). Now, “receipt” is an odd charge that is applicable in nearly every possession case. Simply, you can’t possess something without first receiving it. Yet, receipt carries the 5 year mandatory minimum sentence, while possession does not. If the case had gone to trial, the jury would have been prohibited from hearing about the minimum applied to the receipt charge, and thus, would not have considered it in determining which, if any, of the charges to convict him of. Through its choice to create two crimes with vastly different sentences for the same conduct, Congress gave to the prosecution an invaluable tool (quite similar to extortion) in obtaining pleas.

So, Chris had the following difficult options. He could defend the images which, when projected on an 8′x8′ screen on a courtroom wall, an Iowa jury certainly, and any jury probably, would have likely agreed they “do not want in their community”. (I note that a ban on “kids having sex” pictures, even when only drawn, appears widely supported even by many otherwise apparently liberal bloggers.) His second choice was to have the receipt charge and its mandatory minimum dismissed and focus at sentencing on his personal situation, which certainly did not merit serious jail time. His ultimate sentence was 6 months with a recommendation that his term be served in a halfway house. Unlike Max Hardcore, who opted for the trial (remember, his prosecution was equally, if not more, offensive to notions of free speech), Chris will likely never have a jail door slam behind him.

I know the Comic Book Legal Defense Fund and others concerned about the defense of comic books specifically, and free speech generally, are upset that the case did not go to trial. They are right to be. The Miller obscenity test is vague, indecipherable, and clearly chills protected speech. Among its most frightening aspects is that its “community standards” element may allow “moral majority” communities to dictate to the rest of us. The extortionate tool given to prosecutors through the receipt charge, with its mandatory minimum, gives incentive to defendants to not mount appropriate “community standards” or “serious artistic value” challenges.

In defense of Chris Handley, given his choices, I suppose all I can do is ask: What would you have done?

To the CBLDF and other commendable defenders of free speech whom we may need now more then ever, there is some hope on the horizon. Louis Sirkin and Max Hardcore are currently waging an important battle in their appeal of his conviction on the issue of what the appropriate community is for the Miller test. The argument, with which some courts have already agreed, is that in an interconnected internet world, you can’t allow the most repressive of “communities” to dictate what is available to everyone else. There exists a split among Federal Courts of Appeal in different parts of the country that the U.S. Supreme Court is expected to address and resolve. It may even be that Max’s case is a better platform for the battle than would have been Chris’ in that it does not involve the explosive element of “children” and instead can focus entirely on the fundamental shortcomings of obscenity law in its current state.

However, though it would be great for Max Hardcore, who would get a new trial, a win on the “which community” question will have little practical effect at future jury trials on obscenity. A Bible belt jury will be “instructed” to apply a national standard instead of their county’s. So what? As they always have when asked what they believe community standards should be, they are still going to apply their own personal standards. This suggests a more fundamental problem with the Miller test.

That problem, which the Supreme Court has contorted to overcome in upholding the Miller test, is vagueness. “Void for Vagueness” is a constitutional doctrine that requires that a criminal law’s proscriptions be ascertainable so that a person is put on notice before he or she acts about whether his or her contemplated action will violate the law. To the extent that the response to my Wired statement is correct about being able to tell ahead of a trial what a jury will find obscene, it is only correct about the extreme depictions that have, so far, been the focus of prosecutorial attention. As I have read the reaction to Chris’ plea and sentence, I have seen a questioning of the legality of everything from Nabokov and “American Beauty” to Japanese Yaoi, which depicts figures that are androgynous, hairless, and clearly childlike, but not clearly children. If you asked me today whether it is legal to sell Yaoi on the internet knowing that it would be available in Iowa or most anywhere in the south, I am not sure what the answer would be.

I am, however, certain from comments I’ve read that some who have heard about Chris have already destroyed literature that certainly should not be considered illegal. That “chilling effect” on free speech is precisely the reason for the vagueness doctrine. So, the question should not just be which community is being polled, but how can we rely on polling at all when such an important right is at stake and the poll results change each time they are taken?

However, the fight for a national standard is the one that has currently been joined. For now, let us wish Mr. Hardcore and Mr. Sirkin well, and let us also wish well to all those who continue the fight for all of our fundamental liberties. While we’re at it, let us also wish well to Christopher Handley.

Eric A. Chase, Esq.

United Defense Group, LLP

from http://www.tcj.com/news/christopher-handley’s-attorney-comments-on-his-case/
 
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Cheap bastards everywhere are against the reality that the human psyche sees sexual maturity for what it is.

Further proof that the stuck-up dicklicks of the world are immature turdboxes. They can't understand the difference in thinking something and acting on it.

Like I said...

Cheap bastards.
 
Great, one of the finest tickling comics going and they ban it. And I can't make head nor tails of those sites. Stupid bans
 
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