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New Chat Room!

Myriads

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The new chat room is open. And the old one is closed. Come visit the new room. It's the 5th forum down on the main forum page, and it's named 'Chat room'. Enter that forum, then follow the instructions you find.

Note! You must be a Registered TMF member AND logged in to see the chat room entrance.

See you there.

Myriads
 
A big thanks to Marauder for all his hard work getting this to work! He's everyone's hero right now! 🙂
 
MTP Jeff said:
A big thanks to Marauder for all his hard work getting this to work! He's everyone's hero right now! 🙂

I'll echo that one! Thanks Marauder, those 80 hours were worth it mate. 😉
 
First User Impressions

Clearly, this is an extensive piece of code, and great effort has been put into already. The writers deserve great accolades on at least three different factors...


I. Attitude

II. Effort

III. Results



This was my first attempt to ever enter the TMF chat room.


<B>Suggestions:</B>

-1- Remove the link to the old non-existant chat room from the front page (i.e., http://www.ticklingforum.com/)

-2- Provide a first-timers area for people who don't know how to push the buttons. I felt like a fool. (Go with your feelings ?)

-3- Provide instructions on where to post chat-room questions; like perhaps, <I>Technical Discussions</I> maybe ? Idunno; just somewhere.



<B>My Own Initial Experience:</B>

-A- Upon startng the app, my screen blinked and jumped a lot, with approximately zero text information about what was happening.

-B- When I clicked the mouse on a button, that button didn't move or respond in any manner. Two or three minutes later the response apparently came through.

-C- I tried entering text into my text editor and then cut-and-pasting it into the field at the bottom. So far I haven't figured this out.

-D- The fonts are too small for me to read.

-E- The fonts change colors. One time my own message did so without my conscious and/or willful actions. After awhile the font colors seem to change again, sometimes changing the color of extant messages as they scroll up.

-F- The whole screen/window area repeatedly flashes and changes appearance with text dancing around at apparently random times in separate places within the window the screen.

This was an initial user experience, spending 20-to-30 minutes in front of the screen. The user has had TMF membership for approximately half a year. User's over-all computer skills are loosely within the upper quartile range of the general populace.

End of report 001, software testing and validation.
 
Alternative

Just curious,

Does the chat room <I>have to</I> be a Java-thing that runs in in a web browser ?

e.g., there must be more than one ascii text based chat-o-matic program of some type that runs from a commonly available console terminal (such as telnet). There are a few simple tricks that could be used to defend against the password problem (which I am convinced at this time is largely perceived in the first place, but which I'll acquiesce may occasionally exist on remote chances in unusual circumstances).

I believe these ascii chat-o-matics are highly developed (e.g., multi-rooms; private two-way talks with locks on the doors; invitation-only rooms; etc. etc.) and don't cost much; if they cost anything at all.

Somebody smarter than I will have to vouch for this, but I believe that straight ascii text channels are much more secure than anything that comes across an HTTP channel. i.e., you can't do as much damage with ascii text on a telnet port as you can with Java-whatever.

Just trying to think outside the box.
 
Thank you for your feedback, P50. We need descriptions like this to be able to track down and eliminate the multitude of problems that inevitably pop up whenever something as extensive as the new chatroom is run.

I didn't code the program, only modified some smallish aspects. Unfortunately for us here in Mod-Squad, we don't get a lot of help from the original designers of the code, and thus we have to figure it all out for ourselves. I've volunteered to investigate the room and to troubleshoot the problems, and I'll make sure to look into the obvíous bugs that bothered you. They have thus far shown for one other user.

A "HowTo" document on using the new room will be posted tonight. All questions about the room should be posted in the Technical Assistance Forum.
 
About ascii-progs:

At the moment, Java is the best solution for cross-platform chatting. The current chat uses not http protocol, but uses the http port only for tunneling. It is rather secure, as is Java. The problem with non-java chats, like telnet interfaces, is for once that telnet is a far from secure shell, and secondly that they are even more uncomfortable to install and use. We aim for, ultimately, a user-friendly intarface with the best balance of security and comfort that we can manage.
 
Nice job, Marauder. Thanks for all the hard work. I just got to pop in for the first time. It's a bit different and will take some getting used to. But, it's nice to be troll free. So, come on in everyone! The water's fine.

Ann
 
Thank you to all of you who worked so hard to get the new Chatroom up and running. It was delightful to enjoy time with everyone in the room last night without all the imposters and attacks that had been escalating over the last several weeks.

Great Job Gang! You're AWESOME!
 
Marauder's right about Java being the best solution for cross-platform performance and security. I'd explain why, but your head would explode. 😛

Mods, if you need help on working with the chat program, I'm available. I've been developing in Java for a few years now, heavy focus on graphics and networking, and I've taught the language in two different college-level courses over the past two years. I'm kinda busy these days, but I'll make time if you need me.
 
Too many bugs

I have been opinionated on occasion (e.g. tickling is not a fetish). But never, a troll. So why I can't get into the new chatroom is a mystery to me. My software and hardware is the same as the old chatroom. So when I am booted, one has to assume it's the requirements of the new chatroom. Such is life.

Rook.
 
Re: Too many bugs

Blackrook said:
I have been opinionated on occasion (e.g. tickling is not a fetish). But never, a troll. So why I can't get into the new chatroom is a mystery to me. My software and hardware is the same as the old chatroom. So when I am booted, one has to assume it's the requirements of the new chatroom. Such is life.

Rook.

Are you using the TMF cookies Blackrook? I just ask because (might be teaching my granny to suck eggs here) because you'd otherwise have to manually log in to use it.
 
Phineas said:
Mods, if you need help on working with the chat program, I'm available. I've been developing in Java for a few years now, heavy focus on graphics and networking, and I've taught the language in two different college-level courses over the past two years. I'm kinda busy these days, but I'll make time if you need me.

Thanks for the offer, Phineas. Right now, we're dealing with a lot of small problems and some improvements. Unfortunately, implementation of new features and bug-hunting are only possible with server access and the source of the chat server classes, and we can't give throw this stuff around (The server is secure and the java classes are copyrighted and licensed). However, if I run into a brick wall trying to unravel the mysterious codes, I'll make sure to give you a call.

Thanks again, it's good to have someone we can get back to when things get rough!
 
ok

I'm grateful to QB for responding to my requests. It would have been nice if you hadn't "moved" my threads & would have responded directly. So be it. One doesn't need to scream an epithet or violate a golden rule to receive censorship here. All one needs to do is say something a mod doesn't like. Gone.

Rook
 
Blackrook.... someone moved your posts to the Technical section. They were MOVED, not removed. Actually moving them to the technical section makes sense to me.

Try the "cookies" idea that Jim gave you or else there might be an issue that I'm not aware of.

Sorry I couldn't help further.

Jan
 
QBWeaver said:


Try the "cookies" idea that Jim gave you or else there might be an issue that I'm not aware of.

One of te few times I actually managed to sound like I knew a damn thing about computers. :blaugh:
 
Blackrook's posts were indeed moved to the Technical Assistance forum. I'm to blame for that. All threads about problems with the new chat are to reside in that forum. This has nothing to do with censorship, only with tidyness and with the guy who tries to solve problems with the chat (me) being able to quickly find the problems and deal with them. I do not take kindly to accusations of censorship when I didn't even delete a single letter from a post. Just so you know.

As to your problem: If you want to, Blackrook, I'll gladly try and help you with your trouble. Be sure to read the threads in the Chat Room forum. If they didn't help, you can contact me via e-mail ([email protected]), or reply here. If you have any kind of instant messenger it would be quite helpful for realtime consulting on logging into the room. I've got ICQ, Yahoo!IM, AIM and MSN Messenger. I'd be happy to help you access the new room. Just gimme a call.
 
Rook... Please do read Marauder's comments. He didn't delete your posts at all. He simply moved them to the Technical Section. When you see "moved" next to a post it means it was MOVED.

We're here to help each other. Although you've had some challenges getting into the chatroom they most likely can be easily resolved. Just take a deep breath and let the computer Gods and Goddesses work their magic. Try not to automatically assume something.

Remember... Moved means Moved!
 
so moved doesn't mean moved... it means copied

I'm ok with that. Still, running an obstacle course isn't something that should be required to enter a chat room.

"I do not take kindly to accusations of censorship
when I didn't even delete a single letter from a post. Just so you know."

I didn't name you specifically. When I saw moved, I took it at face value. Perhaps I was in error. In any case, your becoming defensive doesn't help either one of us. I will go back to monitoring posts and leave the chatroom to the athletes.

Rook
 
Re: so moved doesn't mean moved... it means copied

Um, entering the chat isn't exactly like an obstacle course. Lots of folks do it quite easily. I offered you help because I thought it might be a technical issue. Of course, I'm more than happy to devote my spare time to more pleasant matters.

"Perhaps I was in error {accusing people of censorship}"? Yes, definitely, you were. Stop picking at the scabs. You made a wrong accusation aimed at all the TMF Mods, and frankly, I'm sick and tired of people whining about censorship. This is a free forum that costs Jeff a lot of money and the rest of us Mods a lot of time to uphold. If you don't like the way it's being run, then leave. it's that simple.

"In any case, your becoming defensive doesn't help either one of us." What the heck are you talking about? You're not making any sense...
 
Not to shoot my mouth off, but...

This is something new and necessary. The old room was less secure and we were losing people to the trolls nonsense. The new room is better for security. Yes, it's different and will take a bit of getting used to. But, I think it will be worth it in the end. Do yourselves a favor and give it a chance. You'll be glad you did! 😀

Most of the problems I've seen people having so far have been easily solved by Marauder's excellent thread http://www.ticklingforum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=19534 in the Chat forum. If people aren't sure of things, I highly recommend looking it over. It solved some of my questions and gave me the ability to advise others a bit in the actual room. Anything that isn't solved, I'm getting as much info. as possible on and passing it along in the techincal forum. It may help if others state what systems they're working on and what server they use, as some difficulties may even be in those. The more we're able to tell Marauder, the easier it may be for him to find a fix. "I HATE THIS!" doesn't give him much to go on. lol

Just my two cents.

Ann
 
One good tool to review before using the chatroom, or to get some helpful hints on how to navigate around it is the user guide. It's on the main link to the chatroom.
 
If you want to know what I meant regarding your defensiveness

Maurader, then you go back and read your last post. I own that I overreacted. I apologize. When one see their thread "moved" with a "-" under the #, it is easy to assume that it is no longer where it was which is not the case. At the time I made the statement, I thought my thread had been erased rather than copied. I was wrong, I apologize(d). Regarding your defensiveness, the shoe fits, wear it. Frankly, I don't care what you are sick of .

Rook
 
Re: If you want to know what I meant regarding your defensiveness

Blackrook said:
Maurader, then you go back and read your last post. I own that I overreacted. I apologize. When one see their thread "moved" with a "-" under the #, it is easy to assume that it is no longer where it was which is not the case. At the time I made the statement, I thought my thread had been erased rather than copied. I was wrong, I apologize(d). Regarding your defensiveness, the shoe fits, wear it. Frankly, I don't care what you are sick of .

Rook

So much for being civil.
 
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