No Pay for Play

[Ticklishious]

Speaking as a former tickling video model, just want to put it out there that I think it's really unfair for those on this forum trying to capitalize on a fetish they are already into by hawking people for private pay sessions.

Since I have a tickling fetish, I've always played for fun in private settings. I think those hawking on here should take their "business" to craigslist or something and please make this forum something enjoyable for possible genuine meetings with people who want to play just for fun.

If you want make some extra cash with this, there are several video producers in every area of the country that you could contact be a model for. Everybody wins.

Just sayin'...

 

[phant0m]

I don't see a real point in your thread. Do you have moral objections to people paying to indulge in their fetish? This section of the forum is mostly filled with threads started by men who are not successful in finding a female to play with.

I also take issue with your use of the word "hawking." The word has predatory connotations, but I don't think anyone here is being taken advantage of. These women are very straight forward and they conduct their business in a professional manner. It isn't realistic to expect these few women to host sessions several times a week just to satisfy the desires of all the men here. So if they're not paid, several people don't get anyone to tickle. Not all of us can afford travel expenses to go to a gathering where we MIGHT find someone we want to tickle and they MIGHT reciprocate the feeling.

I would be totally fine with a separate section on the forum for these types of posts, but to suggest that they should be banned outright is kind of implying that these women are taking advantage of us or not good for the community. Isn't there a philly foot party guy on here? Do you have a problem with the way he advertises? Should he also be regulated to craigslist?

Also, if you know of a company in WV or northwest PA that would hire a male, let me know!

 

[Ticklishious]

I never said anything about banning these posts. I agree they are being professional...I just don't think this is the place for it.

I just think it's unfair for women who are already into this fetish to then charge on top divulging in what gets them off. I'm sure it's just as hard for them to find guys to satisfy their needs for a fetish they probably don't understand or are into.

I understand where you're coming from...I just think, like you said, there's a place for everything. Personally I don't think it's here.

 

[TickleFairy]

As one who conducts such paid sessions I find it very unnecessary of you to post something like this. If you wish to conduct your own free sessions, that's fine and your own affair. If myself and others wish to charge for such sessions then it is our own business. There is no need to post something like this. If you really have an issue, contact us separately, not right out in public, or contact the forum's staff. I would not mind posting in a separate place. Since the personals section is a place where others desire to meet up for tickling I thought I thought it was the perfect place to post. Posting on Craigslist is not only dangerous, its unrealistic. You may or may not find customers, and you may find dangerous people. Not to say that you aren't risking things by posting here but still, you get the crowd that is into tickling for sure.

Everyone of course, can opt to ignore those threads, ask questions, and if they don't like the idea they can look elsewhere. With these kinds of offers, they are guaranteed to get what is offered and to have a wonderful experience. I don't see the difference between being a tk model and being paid so that others can watch the tickling and being a live lee or ler and having others actually do the tickling. No one is being taken advantage of as they have a choice to answer the ad or not. I feel you've painted these threads in a negative light when it really isn't necessary.

Also, to say that these "women" and its not all women with these kinds of threads, don't understand the fetish and may or may not be into it is really ignorant. You don't know me or any of the other posters personally. Like I said, if you have an issue, talk to us personally, or contact the forum's staff and suggest something other than posting a thread complaining. Usually gets you better results.

 

[maniactickler]

I agree with ticklishious. ladies, give it up for free!

 

[Ticklishious]

Tickle Fairy - I think you misunderstood my comment about "women". I meant that it's hard enough to find someone who isn't into tickling that will satisfy your needs...whether you are a man into tickling who is dating a woman who isn't, or woman into tickling who is dating a man who isn't into it. General consensus is people don't get it unless you're into it. That's the reason why forums like this were created.

Also, being tickled in a video is completely different than in a private session. Most of the videos I've done are M/M. I'm not into men at all. I'm there in a position i wouldn't normally invite otherwise just for fun. Private sessions are one-on-one...you get a feeling of what the other person wants and what you want to explore as well and are set up to be mutually satisfying to both. you can choose your partner...etc. It's intimate...and your face isn't all over the internet afterwards haha. Besides, people are aren't paying YOU to see your vids...they're paying the producer. Although royalties would be nice haha.

I'm just saying what's to stop ANY woman on here to think "well other girls are playing AND making cash...so why can't i?" I feel like it might box us guys out even more than we already are. As a woman you can play with anyone you want to as long as it's fits what you're looking for...for guys it's different...a lot different.

 

[phant0m]

I never said anything about banning these posts.

You suggested they take it to craigslist, which made me assume you wanted it to be against the rules or at least driven completely off the forum through peer pressure. If you think they should be able to advertise in their own section of the forum, then I think we have some common ground.

I just think it's unfair for women who are already into this fetish to then charge on top divulging in what gets them off. I'm sure it's just as hard for them to find guys to satisfy their needs for a fetish they probably don't understand or are into.

I'm not so sure you understand the common male/female dynamics in sex. While it is true that women desire sexual satisfaction as much as men, they are far less open to casual sex simply because that is the kind of society we live in. We can assume that we can replace casual sex with tickle session in this context. Considering most women are not open to meeting strangers online, and more men have tickling/foot fetishes than women you are left with a few women who can take their pick of the bunch and leave "the rest."

Would these men left in "the rest" be happier to find a girl who doesn't charge and wants to tickle us as much as we want to tickle them? Absolutely, but until I find that girl I don't see a problem with paying someone to help me indulge and explore my sexuality.

I would have to argue that it is also easier for a female lee to find a willing vanilla partner than a male ler. A female lee is willing to put up with the part of the fetish that is considered by many to be unpleasant, so all she has to do is find a male who is willing to run his hands up and down her body.

A male ler however needs to find a female who is open to experimentation and after said experimentation happens to enjoy it. To be a ler you just can't be a sexual prude. To be a lee takes either a lot of dedication to your partner or actual enjoyment of being tickled. This pretty much means that female lees (on average) will have an easier time finding play partners both online and with vanilla people.

Not to mention, the girls doing paid sessions are not just satisfying their own needs. They schedule multiple sessions a week, some of them do multiple sessions in a day. I like to be tickled as much as anyone else, but that seems like an exhausting experience that goes beyond personal satisfaction. Not to mention, not every client is so desirable that these meetings would be taking place if money was not involved. Why would a girl risk meeting so many men and scheduling so many appointments when she could just find a few guys close by and stick to the usuals?

I understand where you're coming from...I just think, like you said, there's a place for everything. Personally I don't think it's here.

I'm still not sure if you mean this forum in general or just the personals section.

'm just saying what's to stop ANY woman on here to think "well other girls are playing AND making cash...so why can't i?"

Nothing. Women who want to make friends, connections, and relationships won't charge, and women who want to make money will. It's not my ideal situation either but it's their right and we have to deal with it.

 

[socktickler86]

I'd like to throw my 2 cents in here.

To me, women charging for these sessions are in a sense, putting a price on the dangers of meeting up with a random person. I can imagine most of the people who do this would otherwise not be going around looking for people to have tickling sessions with on such short notice (that is, without getting to know them for a long time). So if some random person wants to meet up with them, there has to be an incentive for them to set aside the risks involved, even if it is something they are into themselves.

As much as you might feel bad that girls are charging guys for something they like to do, you have to look at the other end as well. There are guys, through possibly no fault of their own, that can't find a partner and have a strong desire to do this kind of stuff. Your idea has two proposals implied - 1) Women should simply not charge or 2) they should not be offering to strangers at all. The first would be bad because then every guy, regardless of how strong his desires are (aka no matter how much money he would put up), would be all over that opportunity. The second would be even worse because then all these guys who cant find partners are completely out of luck! So as much as it may seem unfair, a market exists and in the end everyone is happy.

As for putting these kinda posts on craigslists, as someone else mentioned it would be a bad idea. For one, craigslists is regional so for people willing to travel, they'd have to really really try hard to find someone. On here (and I agree maybe there should be a separate section), you can find someone easily, people can even post reviews and give assurances, and get a better idea for what people are charging. It takes a lot of the uncertainties and risks out of the equation for both sides. It's kind of like (and I am absolutely not making a comparison between the two except as business models) how brothels allow for a safer prostitution industry. As much as people may frown on the actual act, I don't think anyone would disagree that it's a bad idea in either case to make things safer.

Personally I think it even opens up routes towards regulation. Let's say on the forum people kinda "registered" as clients and also the people wanting to be paid for their service would register as well. You could setup at least some safeguards so if something goes wrong, someone knows who was doing what and if people refuse to go through that procedure, maybe something is fishy with them?

 

[ticklishfeet976]

no everybody doesnt win. someone who is looking for a PRIVATE session most likely does not want to be on video or photographed. i think its a little silly that you cant find it in you to ignore these people and their "business"

 

[jessiechan]

Most of the points I want to make have been raised by phantom, socktickler, tickle fairy, etc. So here are just my own thoughts.

1. I did hesitate in posting my offer in the personals section because it involved compensation. However after looking around, it seemed like the most appropriate section. I agree it's not ideal.

2. There's no shortage of guys around who tickle me, most of whom I have a personal relationship/friendship with. I am not fulfilling any sort of personal sexual need by offering sessions on this forum.

3. As a college student, I have no money. I am not forcing anyone to offer me money. It's simple economics; I have a relatively greater desire for money and they have a relatively greater desire for tickling. That's not to say that I don't enjoy tickling or they don't enjoy money. Arguing that it's unfair that guys have it harder in terms of access to tickling feels almost like me arguing that it's unfair that students are poor. I'm not saying it's a great situation but I am doing what I feel makes sense with it.

4. I do not want to be in a tickle video that will be circulated in the world wide web.

5. I am sorry if I offended or upset you/anyway in posting my offer here. Again, it is not the best place but really there are few other options. Feel free to PM me if you want to raise concerns/objections about me personally.

 

[Ticklishious]

@Jessie - This is in a no way a personal attack you. Believe me, I COMPLETELY understand your reasoning in offering yourself in a pay for play situation.

I guess what was originally trying to say is that perhaps there can be a separate section in the personals for this kind of request. In my experience, I've found that people (especially females) can be very leery and timid about potentially crossing the line of fantasy to reality. So for those folks to dip their toes in the water and find other posts that offer pay for play, it could be off-putting...therefore, limiting the number of people that can be connected for just a fun meet-up, which is what these personals were designed for in the first place.

Again, my intentions are not to single anyone out....and as a former video model it would be contradictory and just plain stupid for me to say that you shouldn't do any pay work...go do your thing 😉 haha

 

[socktickler86]

There really should be a separate section. For example, if I decided one day i wanted to give up and just pay for a session, I don't think it would be all that easy of a search. Some people who want to be paid for their services do not explicitly state it in their advertisements so I imagine it would take some time to actually figure out who is offering.

And actually, put it another way (this idea came from that Starvival show, HILARIOUS). What if someone needs someone else to cook for them and maybe clean because they're awful at cooking and maybe have no time for it. Maybe they're a CEO or in some other ultra-strenuous job. What if they posted about hiring someone for this position? Now, it should be no stretch of the imagination that there are people who enjoy cooking and may even love the idea of getting to cook for someone and try new things. Would it seem unreasonable for that person to charge for their services if they were paired up with the person who can't find time to cook?

 

[LeenaBeena]

Yeah, this thread has absolutely no point. It's just a matter of opinion. -.-

 

[Straightman]

Hey Ticklicious

Not to start an argument. But for a time, weren't you offering yourself up as a tickle model for hire, offering private tickling sessions for an hourly rate? Seeing as yyou already have a tickling fettish, aren't you doing the same thing the other person's doing?

 

[Ticklishious]

I was modeling for video...and doing foot sessions for pay, yes.

 

[Straightman]

Why did you stop, by the way? You must've been successful.

 

[Ticklishious]

I still do foot fetish sessions but I don't really do video anymore. I've been offered some video gigs but I'm not sure I want my face out there anymore haha.

 

[Straightman]

Yikes! Hope you didn't run into any stalkers. Lol

 

[highwing]

Not sure how I feel about this XD
The OP and various replys have valid points. I don't think it's a problem making a thread about it, if it's a legitimate concern.

If you decide to pay, or desire to be paid, that's your own preference. I guess it all depends on why you're charging. I mean, I require payment for things I enjoy (work related, not fetish), for the most part.