nudity vs. clothing in tickle videos

[TicklingDuo]

OK...I hesitated in posting this because I happen to like some of the people that could be effected by it. However, after considering it in more depth, I believe that it should act to help in the end. So, here goes.

I was in the chat room recently and got talking about tickling videos. One of the things that came up was the fact that many video companies have turned to (or have always used) nude models for their productions. While some may like this, others definitely do not. I considered putting this in the polls section. But, I think people would have more opportunity to state their reasons for their own preferences here. I think/hope that we can do this in a civil manner without attacking anyone.

For me personally, I MUCH prefer that a model have some clothing on. This is true for either male or female models. So, this isn't simply a gender issue. As someone for whom tickling outside of an intimate relationship is simply fun and not sexual, watching someone being tickled while nude (and esp. in any sexual way) simply doesn't make it. It does nothing for me. On the other hand, watching a more playful, though intense, tickling scenario with someone clothed at least in shorts (and a haltar if it's a woman) would be very enjoyable. It's a much more realistic possibility that someone be tickled while at least partially clothed. Would I watch a video with nudity in it? That would depend upon my mood. Would I BUY a video with nudity in it? Definitely not.

To me, this is just as important an issue as the question of whether or not a model is actually ticklish. (But that one's already been done.) So, here's the question for anyone else who might care to respond. Do you prefer the models in tickling videos to be totally nude, partly nude or normally clothed? Why?

Ann

 

[tcklshboy]

i agree i think tha a model either male or female should be clothed in a tickle video

 

[Cyrano]

I prefer some clothing, realistic attire is also fine by my books if not better. I'm not trying to judge, this is just my personal opinion, but I tend to feel sorry for a girl who models nude, I'm not saying that it's wrong, but the best word to describe the feeling that runs through my gut when I see a nude model is sympathy. Most likely there's a reason for that, buried deep in the days of yore, however; I've forgotten that reason.

 

[mabus]

clothing to tickle in...

I agree, being tickled in cothing seems like it would be more exciting, because being tickled in the nude, you imagine lovemaking, and that's more focused on sex than tickling. I will post some pictures in the image section to show outfits that I wish some of the companies would utilize, because I doubt any of these have been used before.

 

[mpath]

I definitely prefer "scantily clad" to full-on nudity, but I think that's at least in part because of how poorly the nudity is often used in the video(s). Most of the time it's like an add-on or after thought. No tickling takes place that warrants it; sometimes it's obviously there simply to distract folks from subpar tickling.

I think there are ways it could be made to "work," but quite frankly I haven't seen many capable and/or willing to do what it takes for that. For me, besides the ticklee's face, if it ain't being tickled, what does it even need to be uncovered/unclothed for? On the other hand, if while tickling an area that is clothed, that covering happens to come off (or gets pulled off for easier tickle-access 😉) that could make for good spontenaety, surprise, and better tickling results IMHO. That still doesn't mean the focus should then turn to the nudity....not in the LEAST. So long as everything remains tickle-centric, I'm a happy camper. 😀

 

[moriaritytk]

Baring My Soul About Nudity

Here's my sad admission.

Some people (mostly, guys . . . OK, maybe just me) are just wired to like to see members of the opposite sex naked. We think that nearly all naked women just look delightful and we can't really get enough of them. Remember the Seinfeld episode where the girlfriend of the week was crouching naked and opening jars naked and doing other things naked that turned Jerry off. Well, a lot of us would have LOVED to see her doing all those things naked. Maybe we're just closet nudists (there's a odd image--what would a nudist have in a closet, anyway?) There's a Naked News channel now and I have to say I'd probably watch it if I could get it. Not that there's anything wrong with that. Better than Dan Rather in his sweaters.

So, those of us inclined to pretty much always favor naked women when given a choice maybe have to be forgiven for wanting to see their tickle victims naked, too. Heck, I'll watch a good clothed tickling session all day and into the night. If I found an Eskimo Renfaire where women in parkas were locked in stocks and having their feet tickled, I'd build an igloo and stay there for the duration. Buuuuut, I have to come clean and admit that this thought would cross my mind--"I wonder what they look like being tickled while naked."

There are a couple of deeper reasons for favoring naked tickling. Since tickling is all about skin contact, the more skin there is available, the more potential for contact. And, there is that old control issue. Having the power to strip a tickle victim heightens the feeling of control.

But, I have to admit being shallow enough that I'd don't need the deeper reasons for justification. I'm smitten with the beauty of the female body. I know that I won't lie on my deathbed and think, "I wish I'd seen a few less women naked." Instead, I'll probably stare glassy-eyed at the nurses through the haze of morphine and think, "If they'd just slip out of those uniforms, I could die a happy man."

The rest of you don't know how lucky you are. You don't find yourself in the video store walking right past the latest Merchant & Ivory costume drama to rent "Swordfish" so you can see Halle Berry topless. (OK, I'm twisted but not stupid. At least, I didn't pay $7 to see it in the theater.) You don't find yourself buying "Barenaked Ladies" CDs just to be embarrassed to find that they not only aren't naked but they aren't even ladies. And, you don't find yourself hoping that Nick at Nite would replay old episodes of "Naked City", just in case . . .

There. I've said it. I feel much better now. I probably should go to an NA meeting (Naked Anonymous) and confess more often. I probably would if I thought there would be plenty of women there and if I thought they would be . . . well, you know. I guess that would kinda undercut the purpose of the meeting, wouldn't it.

So, I'll stay home and hope there's a new episode of "Sex and the City" on HBO. It won the Emmy Award, you know. Plus, there's some very sharp writing about relationships. And, (God help me) sometimes I get to see Kim Catrell naked and dream about how ticklish she might be.

It's a sad life. But, pretty much fun.

 

[TMF Jeff]

I hope nobody minds me chiming in here 🙂

The issue of clothes vs nudity is not a philosophical one. It is driven by the market and has nothing to do with my, or I would guess any other producers', personal taste. It has everything to do with the fact that people who like nude victims in videos seem to spend far more money buying them than the people who say they like the victims dressed.

So for me, the decision is made to make the videos that the most people seem to want to buy, which is the more skin the better. Otherwise I would probably have to stop making them entirely, because the people who do write to me and say they think I've started using too much nudity, don't seem to step up and buy the tapes when I do what they asked.

 

[mpath]

good points, Jeff and moriaritytk

Jeff makes an excellent point.

Nudity in a video would *never* prevent me from buying it. I would expect most feel the same way. On the other hand, I'd bet it's more likely that a LACK of sufficient nudity more often slows the sales of other vids.

moriaritytk,

I'm sure you know you're not alone. If there's an attractive nude woman involved, most (hetero) guys are going to look.....and look.....blink once....then look some more. You know it, I know it, Jeff knows it, and the entire advertising/marketing world knows it. LOL

For me personally, again, when tickling is involved, I just look for tickling first. Then nudity comes a distant second.

 

[Grad]

My preference is for clothing. I thought the idea of topless or nude tickling would repulse me until I did see one with topless ladies in it. Turns out I just didn't care at all that they were topless. Made no difference. I still hold a preference for clothing.

Well we ALL know that the less a ticklee is wearing, the more vulnerable spots they have, especially to light tickling.
At the same time, nude or even lingerie leads to a more sexual thing than tickling fun or even tickle torture. So my perfect example of good ticklee attire is the work out suit that Trina wore in SilverCherry's "I Can't Breath". Nice snug fitting work out shorts, a sports bra, and everything else was 100% tickleable!

 

[john2510]

As I mentioned in another thread... the sense of fun I see in tickling is undeniably sexual.

Therefore, a film with an attractive and scantily clad or nude woman would be far preferable to a clothed and/or unattractive one.

I can imagine tickling without a sexual aspect the same way I can imagine (and participate in) kissing without a sexual aspect.

That being said... I wouldn't pay money to kiss my sister, and I won't pay money to watch a clothed ugly man being tickled.

But that's just me...

 

[dodger]

I enjoy both equally. Nude or partially clothed.

 

[ticklevids]

nudity

Gotta be nude... or at the very least topless. I won't go near a vid that doesn't have nudity.

 

[P.H. Tickler]

Jeff's honest, that's cool!

It's all about the bottom line. If tickling vids weren't meant to be marketed with sexual undertones, then you would be able to buy/rent them in the general section of the local video store.
I admit that my interest in tickling is very tied to sex. As far as a video goes, I don't like nude models because my "thing" is tickling and nylons, so the model would at least have to be wearing stockings or pantyhose.
In real life, I don't mind just hose, but in pictures, I like to see the model dressed with her shoes off... the addition of gratuitous nudity would not entice me to buy a video (because I just will never spend dime one on any porn, no matter how soft... you may disagree, but if you sell something, no matter how innocent the premise, with the full knowledge that it's gonna turn someone on, then that's porn... otherwise nobody would be offended at those sleazy child tickle sites I read about on AMT.)
Jeff's honest, that's cool. perhaps if i ever do decide to buy a tape, I will probably buy one from jeff BECAUSE of his honesty, not because the models would be nude (I'd also have to pick up the rock-man vids, they seem to understand us nylon tickle lovers a bit better than most)

 

[TickledToDeath]

Personally, I feel that nudity in a tickle vid is done intentionally to divert the attention away from fact that the "Model" is NOT ticklish.

TTD

 

[TMF Jeff]

Personally, I feel that nudity in a tickle vid is done intentionally to divert the attention away from fact that the "Model" is NOT ticklish.

TTD

You're mistaken. It's done for the reasons I gave.

 

[TickledToDeath]

You're mistaken. It's done for the reasons I gave.

So by that, are you saying that people would rather buy a vid, featuring a NUDE NON ticklish "MODEL" acting ticklish than a video of a genuinly, extremely ticklish person who has minimal clothing or any clothing on?

I would hope not.

I wouldn't...would you?

TTD

 

[TicklingDuo]

I definetly prefer the models clothed, in fact I think the perfect attire for a tickle vid is to have a barefoot gal in jeans and a blouse or sweater. Adds to the realism. Of coarse, this is my opinion....and what do I know anyway?


Drew

 

[TicklingDuo]

So by that, are you saying that people would rather buy a vid, featuring a NUDE NON ticklish "MODEL" acting ticklish than a video of a genuinly, extremely ticklish person who has minimal clothing or any clothing on?

Actually, TTD...Of all the tapes out there, I think Jeff's are the only ones that have always had ticklish models...some painfully so. So, this isn't really something that you can call him on. I'm not sure if you're right or wrong about some of the other companies. I've seen some really lousy videos from other companies. But, I must defend Jeff here and say that his are consistantly excellent. I wish I had the financial ability to get more!

Hmmm...now I wonder if I have to let Jeff pie me for starting this whole debate? LOL

Ann

 

[TickledToDeath]

Actually, TTD...Of all the tapes out there, I think Jeff's are the only ones that have always had ticklish models...some painfully so. So, this isn't really something that you can call him on. I'm not sure if you're right or wrong about some of the other companies. I've seen some really lousy videos from other companies. But, I must defend Jeff here and say that his are consistantly excellent. I wish I had the financial ability to get more!

Hmmm...now I wonder if I have to let Jeff pie me for starting this whole debate? LOL

Ann

I am not saying anything about Jeffs vids or their authenticity.
I made a blanket statemet that most of the companies (comercial) who stress or use nudity in their tickle vids are doing so to take away from the fact that THEIR models Are NOT tickish.

Nudity being the Operative word/term here.
Not minimal clothing but TOTAL nudity.


Jeff puts out a fine product.
Not to mention that he does NOT "stress" nudity in his videos but instead stresses what the people who will be purchasing his vidoes, wish to see.........Tickling!

TTD

 

[TicklingDuo]

Correction humbly received. Thanks! 😉

Ann

 

[TMF Jeff]

So by that, are you saying that people would rather buy a vid, featuring a NUDE NON ticklish "MODEL" acting ticklish than a video of a genuinly, extremely ticklish person who has minimal clothing or any clothing on?

I would hope not.

I wouldn't...would you?

TTD

No, nor do I know how you could have gotten that from what I said? What I'm saying is that what you said, that models are nude to distract from their lack of ticklishness, is not true. That it's done for financial reasons.

 

[Myriads]

Just to add a little more to Jeff's point. A few months back TC Videos released 40 Fingers ( A fine bit of tickling video!). In it we had five models. All were tickled topless except one, Priscilla, who wore a see through top.

What was the one single comment I saw most about this video here on the TMF? : Why doesn't Pris work topless also?

The fact that there were 8 other nude gravity defying yabbos on view didn't seem to be a factor. They wanted to see all 10.

I can only conclude that the majority of buyers who speak up want nude. Perhaps in time as our community grows and flexes it's buying muscles more, there will be the width and breth of material that one sees in the bondage videos (want women in superhero costumes tied? There are dozens of videos. Want them all in bikinis, Yup! In Prom gowns? Sure! Business suits? No questions. And so on....) Perhaps someday we'll have critical mass like that so the two or three top tickling video producers can provide that sort of depth.

Myriads

 

[Haltickling]

Examples, please

There are only very few nudie tickle vids in my rather voluminous collection, and that's not due to a lack of interest on my side... 🙂 And I can recall only a handful ones with a model lacking ticklishness! Okay, some models are over-exaggerating their reactions, but they all seemed pretty ticklish nonetheless.

MTP has only one full-nudity video (Strip Tickle), and one scene with a transparent body-stocking (Phoenix in Stockings, Socks, and Stocks); Tickle Baby, Massage Tickling and Orgasm Tickling from Footparadise, and several TickleJapan vids (with pixelled-out pubic areas) have nude models. Realtickling, FM Concepts and ANA have none at all, a few rather meek Harmony productions (in their series Consensual Touch) show nude bodies. Cal Star, Platinum, and Solefully Yours had some very good and some very bad naked nude scenes. Especially the later CalStar vids seem to confirm TTD's theory of replacing ticklishness with nudity best.

Maybe I missed to mention some here. For a better understanding, a few examples would be helpful, TTD.

Personally, I prefer nude models or those with tiny string tangas, and I would certainly like to see more genital tickling, as tickling and sex are inseparably connected in my mind. But I agree with many others here: Genuine ticklishness is much more important than the amount of clothes.

 

[TickledToDeath]

Re: Examples, please

There are only very few nudie tickle vids in my rather voluminous collection, and that's not due to a lack of interest on my side... 🙂 And I can recall only a handful ones with a model lacking ticklishness! Okay, some models are over-exaggerating their reactions, but they all seemed pretty ticklish nonetheless.

MTP has only one full-nudity video (Strip Tickle), and one scene with a transparent body-stocking (Phoenix in Stockings, Socks, and Stocks); Tickle Baby, Massage Tickling and Orgasm Tickling from Footparadise, and several TickleJapan vids (with pixelled-out pubic areas) have nude models. Realtickling, FM Concepts and ANA have none at all, a few rather meek Harmony productions (in their series Consensual Touch) show nude bodies. Cal Star, Platinum, and Solefully Yours had some very good and some very bad naked nude scenes. Especially the later CalStar vids seem to confirm TTD's theory of replacing ticklishness with nudity best.

Maybe I missed to mention some here. For a better understanding, a few examples would be helpful, TTD.

Examples? Ok......Cal-Star...Nu-Vue.....Maybird....MTM(I think that was the initals or MJM)......I do believe Harmony went nudie for dollars too.......there are a couple of others but I have done my best to rid my mind and memory of them since they were useless.

Nude sells yes but it is the intention behind the why nude was incorporated since their vids did SHIT on the market due to lack of authenticity so they figured..HEY, lets get naked.

IF the lees in the vids were actually and genuinly ticklish and some nudity was incorporated into it for some sensuality, hey, go for it! It is those who show skin for the soul purpose that "sex sells" is misleading and deceitful.

TTD

 

[SuperTickler]

Re: Examples, please

...FM Concepts...(has)none at all...

Hal,

Sorry to have to correct you here, buddy, but FM Concepts has been utilizing total nudity for awhile. Of course, not EVERY segment on their videos has total nudity, but many do. Their latest release, "Tag Team Ticklers (FS-88)," has a completely nude stocks tickling scene with a gorgeous blonde named Diane Leslie and the absolutely stunning Isabella (Anita) Janacek, who, in fact, has appeared completely nude several times for FM (gotta love the fall of the Iron Curtain now that those perfectly genetically-engineered Eastern European women are coming over here and showing off their unbelievable bods!).

Also, Isabella/Anita is one of the most ticklish females that God ever put on this green Earth, so I don't think the nudity is there to distract us from a lack of ticklishness.