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Numbers and "Percentages"

Spenser

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Over in the "gatherings" area, following a post about local tickle group munches and parties (DC-VA-MD area), a couple of questions arose that sort of beg for a broader community exposure. Thus I thought I’d like to post a few of my thoughts here as well as in the other section. I believe the questioners have not yet attended any tickle munches or events themselves yet, but would be coming as "first timers".

The questions that always rise, first and very frequently. There is a shyness on everyone’s part, when considering showing up for a small gathering of folks with an interest in a behavior that could be regarded as “alternative” to social norms.

This shyness is even present in some extroverts, but can be nearly crippling for an introvert. A hobby of mine is a light study of humanistic psychology. The most shy and retreating personalities of all the Meyers-Briggs 16 “types” are the rare INFP’s. Not only are they rare among women, but they are almost non-existent in guys. I have been plagued all my life as being an INFP, and have had to some degree, learned to ‘cope’ with myself and in the big world outside. If there is something I want to get to that is so very compelling, I’ll battle with my own innate shyness and go!

The question most guys seem to have is, how many women will show up. There is an implication in that, that they may be reluctant to come to a gathering unless there is a good mix, many ladies as well as men, and a chance to meet a partner. I have to say that the odds at present are somewhat against that. At munches, we’ve had normally from 4 to 6 men, occasionally 7. And normally two or three ladies, occasionally only 1, my wife Melinda. From what I’ve heard at parties, and from the one NEST I attended, the ratio might be about the same, but the numbers of course are larger.

So if you have a party of 20 total, perhaps 13 or 14 of those will be men, the other 6 or 7 will be women. Most women come with a guy as a couple, but there are some brave single ladies who show up at parties and munches by themselves. These ladies do indeed have a very great interest in getting into the tickle scene. They often are far less ambivalent about jumping in than many men even seem to be!

Part of the predicament is that tickling itself seems to be a sort of “fringe” alternative sensual play pleasure, particularly as a social event. While there are only a few adventurous souls in the world today who want to come out in public and meet and greet other ticklers, it seems there are multitudes more for whom tickling is simply a private bedroom affair (sigh). We’ll never turn their minds on that one though.

Ticklers are just beginning to come out of their hiding spots (last three or four years), connecting first or so it seems electronically over the net, then in the munch/party format that the new groups are forming. I will admit that there have been some tickle fans who’ve had private parties for many years, but as a national and international phenomenon, it’s only in its infancy today, compared to many other (…. um) socially “alternative” pleasures and behaviors.

Being a ‘multi-fetishist’ myself; I dally in foot-fetishism, spanking, and the “leather-bondage” scene. For some unknown reason, ladies seem to show up at spanking and leather parties in far greater numbers and percentages than at tickle gatherings. I can only guess that the reasons for this are that at spanking and leather parties are far more “established”, and tend to attract at least 60 to 80 for monthly parties, and many hundred for seasonal gatherings and festivals. Also there are quite set “codes” of etiquette at these parties which are not to be violated. And ladies as well as gentlemen who attend are quite well aware of these codes of behavior. Violation can mean expulsion from the party immediately, and repeated violations can ostracize a person from the “scene” for life.
This alternative community is small enough that at least in the US and Canada, word gets around quickly, and reputations can be established and ruined by good and poor behaviors. Acceptable behaviors are truly meant to help people feel safe and comfortable making new friends who share their "thing".

I only say all this to present that there is a sense of safety and community and frivolity, and yes even comfort in attending and joining a group where you can meet others, the opportunity “may” arise to meet someone to share some tickling fun, and perhaps even someday to meet a lifetime tickle partner. The numbers may not be great yet, but each new person who comes is one person more. The ones who don’t come won’t know what they may have missed.

Spenser
 
Some very good points, Spenser.

As another INFP person, however, I'm not entirely in agreement with your assessment. The Myers-Brigg profile will indicate the ways in which a person is most comfortable operating. I'm very high on the introvert scale. However, I've learned to operate very comfortably in groups...even larger groups. I've even been on radio and tv and been fairly comfortable with it. This would not have been the case 20 years ago. But, by getting involved in groups where I felt secure enough to "be heard", I've learned to operate comfortably in most situations.

Would I still rank as INFP today? Probably...though not quite as high. But, I think that's fine. The profiling is simply meant to help people understand why they operate the way they do. It isn't meant to be an excuse for NOT acting in other ways. I don't think you were trying to do that. But, I've seen it so many times that I thought I'd mention it. 😉

AFA all of this specificly relating to tickle gatherings...I do agree with your comparison with the bdsm gatherings. I think it IS easier for people to attend a gathering where limits are clearly defined. It's something to keep in mind for those of us looking at organizing gatherings.

Ann
 
Ah, the "dude, are there many chicks" part of the questions on a gathering. *sigh* Some guys are like that.

Some men will ask if any are there, while others will want some guarantee that there are enough to assure "a shot" at them, as if this was dating.

While it depends on the event in discussion, West Coast Gatherings are not singles clubs. They're a point to meet, socialize, and do some tickling with others sharing the interest. If, after that, dating becomes more possible, great. Not the point, though.

Oddly, shyness isn't something I see in that aspect of the events. Some of the 'lees are very shy, but have gotten past such, enough so to show. If they show, they're able to deal with Jan, Dan, Terry, me, etc., regarding play negotiation.

Ratios. Rarely see 1:1. Rarely see over 4:1. I've seen exactly one event, near the beginning of these, where there was no play. There's a reality to this - the 'lees that show want to be tickled as much as the 'lers want to tickle.

These are people, just like you, into this. Like you, they want to see others into this, meet them, feel less alone and strange, enjoy the company of newfound friends, and delight in a play that's almost NEVER encouraged among friends outside of such events.

This is definitely in it's infancy. I've been at it over 5 years, and the bdsm related events locally have many years over me on this. Happily, mine are monthly, and have been for years, now. Folsk are slowly gettin' over bein' nervous, and are comin' out to meet one another, and often to play.

dvnc
 
I must confess, I'm one of the "dude, are there many chicks?" guys, although I don't think I've referred to a woman as a "chick" since I was 17. Anyway, I do think it's a valid question, and any straight guy who's into tickling ,if they're being honest, would agree. I enjoy tickling, and being tickled by women, exclusively. If that somehow makes me shallow, then I'm sorry, but this forum is supposed to be about honesty, isn't it?
 
I have got to agree with the comment about having a balanced attendance. It is probably very likely that there are going to be more men than women. However, I would like to see at least one woman there that I would be able to interact with long enough to say that I could finally talk to a woman about tickling without feeling embarrassed.

For me, it would not be just about the merciless tickling. I would like to really see the point of view of a woman about the subject first hand. I think I have a pretty good idea from a man’s point of view and, although it would be fun to meet other men who share these feelings, I would also like to get a more balanced “dump of knowledge”.

I would not mind if there are more men than women, but to be honest, I would like to be able to fulfill some fantasies of my own during a gathering. Tickling men or being tickling by men is not one of them. Reading magazines, looking at movies, having long conversations, tickling women, being tickled by women are a few of them.

Bye,

Knight Tickler
 
ladies seem to show up at spanking and leather parties in far greater numbers and percentages "


Whenever I have worn a long leather overcoat I have had some women come up to me and talk. THEY seem to like leather for whatever reasons. In so far as spanking, I have heard this before about women liking it. I can only guess maybe because they want to be like a little girl again, getting spanked by daddy. Maybe it's a daddy /girl control thing,...
 
Gentlemen, a question for those of you pointedly asking for a guarantee of an "appropriate ratio or number of women" - how do you think this makes the women here feel about attending?

My personal experience with such is that, when faced with this sort of approach, most will demure from attending. Whether or not this is common or normal, at that point, becomes irrelevant. There's still no women showing when and if that's a prevalent attitude amongst a gender. It's why I try to make clear that my events are for familiarizing with the tickling community as a whole.

After all, no one is PAYING me to run a dating service.

Even if such was offered, on the day when a certain locale froze over, I'd not want such a gig. My goal was to get those of us, in this community, familiar with the fact that we're not alone, that we have a community of folks that have many differences and one great similarity - a love of tickling in some form.

I mean absolutely no offense, gents. I just know, especially after years of this, and the comments of more than half the female attendees, that no woman in our communty seems to want to involve in something that even remotely SEEMS objectifying. There's a greater approval in socially interacting. If something happens, it's natural and accidental. If not, it'll happen outside of the events, socially, either with others of "us" online, or with previously "vanilla" folks who are charmed by a person's own value.

As for the "talk to at least one woman" thought, so eloquently expressed by Knight Tickler, I totally agree, and have yet to have an event that was "woman free".

Regarding fulfilling a fantasy, who DOESN'T want that? That's a matter of repetition, really. It's like playin' ball. Who just was instantly able t'play ball accurately, much less have their perfect game? Many desires

I suggest talking to those folks that attend these. Find folks whose natures match your own, and find out, from their opinions, whether or not such events appeal to 'em.

My $0.02,

Dave
 
I get the percentage question all the time too for our gatherings and for the NEST. Way too often the guys want to make sure it's a 1/1 ratio but that happens so rarely! The ladies are just beginning to feel more comfortable coming out to gatherings and the idea of attending a gathering alone is almost unheard of. I do it quite often but most ladies won't. I suppose it's partially a safety thing but often it's the idea they get that they're going into a "meat market" atmosphere. Having attending gatherings quite often I can tell you that atmosphere just doesn't exist. It's very respectful and VERY refreshing. You guys Rock!
 
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