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Online flirting: What is your view?

AdamN

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Hey everyone. This has been a topic on my mind recently that I wanted to share with each of you. Do you have any strong opinions on the topic of online flirting, one way or the other? As I know all too well from a recent experience, it can be very possible to develop feelings for someone through constant flattery of that sort. But sometimes, those feelings are not returned, and you eventually realize that the other person was only flirting as a form of sexual tension relief. That can lead to a lot of hurt, confusion and even anger. Do you believe it is incumbent of both parties to come up with some sort of agreement up front, as to avoid any awkward feelings?

My own opinion... no, but it could be helpful. Human emotions can be very delicate. Matters of the heart, specifically, extremely delicate. I'd say do the other person a favor and fill them in on your intentions in the most respectful way possible and leave the ball in their court as to whether or not they want to play a little. Otherwise, ya might not want to flirt at all. It really just becomes leading someone on at that point, at least in my eyes. Thoughts from the peanut gallery?
 
possibly. But I'd love for a girl here to start an intellectual relationship with me. They're very cool. SOme of you...because some of you have stunk me for a looooong time. But no most of you are cool though...but you know who you are....the arrogant ones...grr....

So...um..yeah.

LADIES TALK TO ME!!!
 
This is a topic than can be discussed for hours. And in fact, is on the burner as a future topic for my show.

Online flirting and relationships are a double-edged sword that you need to pay the utmost attention to and have a firm grip in reality for. Many people put it into a neat little box of generational differences, which is wholly innacurate. "Young people can do it because they grew up with the internet, and older people can't because they have a diffetrent set of social skills and expectations."

While there are grains of truth to that, to use it as a blanket explanation is to completely misunderstand human sociology. I myself am of an age where the development of my social learning came before the internet, in real life, face-to-face with nothing to hide behind. And I still completely support online relationships and think they can be successful. I met one of my own subs online, in fact.

But that's the thing. I met her online. The actual cementing of the relationship tok place in reality, where it needs to. Adam, I think I know what you're talking about when you speak of "developing feelings" online, so let's adress that.

There's no black-and-white to this, as there's no strict set of rules for all of human behavior. Many people, especially of my age group, would say that it's not possible to develop emotions online. But you can. The problem lies in identifying what those emotions actually are. And that comes from frame of reference and experience with your own social skills. Emotions are tricky things, and we often have to put them in context with everything that's going on in our lives, and all of our other emotions. Like mixing paint colors.

It's very easy to confuse flirting online or even a certain level of attachment with deeper emotions. In this age of the internet, our sociology is slowly changing, but that's only in the way we interact, not in the end results. The internet did not change our wiring in a generation. We throw around phrases like "I love you" and such, but if overused, misused or (in the worst cases) maliciously used, it loses its meaning. Can you develop a connection with somone online, sharing your interests, beliefs and dreams? Sure, of course. We do it all the time. But can you actually "fall in love" online? I really do not think so. My biggest fear with internet connections is that we are slowly losing the true meaning of the word "love" in its totality.

And that's where the perspective of offline social interaction comes into play. Just like you can't preach about the horrors of war if you were never there, it would be disingenuous to talk about this without having ever done it. I have. Been there, got the t-shirt. During a low point in my life where things all around me were falling apart, I thought I was "connecting" with someone online. The lack of certain emotions in my real life were easily replaced by the illusion of those. And even someone like myself, usually very perceptive and self-aware, wound up completely "sucked in". It happens. Part of being human.

Unfortunately, this person turned out to be using these emotions maliciously, like I mentioned earlier. The emotional damage was far more real than the perceived emotions ever were. And that's the risk you run. I strongly suggest to anyone seeking online relationships that you simply put things into perspective and realize that there is no replacement for real-life interaction. None. The internet is a tool for communicating, not a magic emotion transferral box. Bonds of friendship and love are forged in reality. Especially love. It's the most powerful emotion we as humans have, and the most complex. To say you love someone you've only interacted with online is a dangerous proposition.

Most times, when someone thinks they are developing feelings for someone online, what they usually mean is that they are focusing on the possibility of emotions they really want. The similarities can be confusing and powerful. Especially for people whose sole source of social interaction is the internet. Even lok within our own community. People form small groups and share things. Cool. But way too often, they will confuse these things with real love, real friendship. Even getting together once or twice a year at some gathering or something is no replacement for the intracacies of living with or around someone, knowing them in reality on a day-to-day basis. No one is "just themselves" at a large gathering. Everyone's putting their best foot forward, wanting to be liked, etc. And that's normal. Because it's a special occasion, not daily life. Now, take that group of folks you hang out with for a couple days at a gathering and hang out with them for six months. See how shiny and happy everything is. 🙂 That's life.

So, I do believe that if two people are getting to know one another online, they should be honest up front. You can find great people, maybe even love, online. But all of that happens after the meeting. And no matter how long the online interaction is, socially and emotionally speaking, it's always "the meeting" phase. There are things we get from others in life we simply cannot get online. Body language, certain senses that only work face-to-face, no matter what your tech level. I fully support and encourage people, especially in communities like this, to get to know one another as much as they can. But don't confuse that with real social interaction. If two people are talking online and think they are "developing feelings", they should responsibly talk about meeting. Don't hold yourself back, but don't let it go so far online that you've replaced the wish of a relationship with pseudo-emotions and build something up in your mind and heart before it even has the possibilty of happeneing. The reality will often not live up to the fantasy.

So yeah....be honest, talk openly, and put things in perspective. If you start to feel like you might be being "used" or led on, talk about it. Ask questions. Here's the bottonm line. If someone is really interested in you, if a relationship is in the works or "fated to happen" or something, you won't scare anyone off by asking honest questions about where it's going and if you should take the next step. If someone bolts or tries to manipulate you in some way, then they aren't worthy of "love" in the first place and you're far better off looking elsewhere. It's all about the balance, people...and a healthy dose of self-awareness and strength in your own convictions and desires.
 
My own opinion... no, but it could be helpful. Human emotions can be very delicate. Matters of the heart, specifically, extremely delicate. I'd say do the other person a favor and fill them in on your intentions in the most respectful way possible and leave the ball in their court as to whether or not they want to play a little. Otherwise, ya might not want to flirt at all. It really just becomes leading someone on at that point, at least in my eyes. Thoughts from the peanut gallery?
Couldn't have put it any better than this - just plain having a little respect for other people.
 
We throw around phrases like "I love you" and such, but if overused, misused or (in the worst cases) maliciously used, it loses its meaning.

Actually I never use "I love you" in vain or anywhere. I doubt if I had any public post containing this phrase. For me this is very hard to simply blurt out as joke; more sacred than the 10 commandments.

-o0o-

For me flirting is flirting. Nothing more. Flattery for me is "praise" or compliment and not an expression of love.
 
Thanks for the good thoughts, ladies and gentlemen. Your words, as far as general online flirting go, are pretty well accurate, in my opinion. My situation wasn't quite as black and white as simple online flirting, so allow me to provide a little additional insight without rambling too much. There were phone conversations and talk of meeting in addition to regular messaging. A number of this young woman's messages were very flirtatious. A few in particular, so much so, that I really needed to be careful how I responded as not to give off the air of "pervert". There were admissions of crushes on one another as well.

A few months later, the hammer kind of dropped and this person began using a good deal of revisionist history (feels like the manipulation that Dave refers to). The "I thought we were just being friendly" excuse, even with all the very clear evidence that said otherwise. To this day, she still attempts to steer the relationship back in the direction of before any of this transpired and all we did was chat as friends online, seemingly hoping that its unpleasantness will magically disappear from my memory bank. The problem with that is pretty obvious. Even if we remain civil with each other online, there's always that memory of what happened and how much it stung, even if it is never broached.

This is really what I had on my mind when I started the post, though I decided to make it a little broader upfront just to get some general opinions. If any of you have additional thoughts as it pertains to general flirting or the type of situation I went through, by all means, have at it. I look forward to your responses.
 
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It sounds like you may be the victim of a little manipulation, but let's not jump to that conclusion without knowing. Girls online are protective, and sometimes see men as "perverts" or "after something" by default. Especially on fetish sites.

But your story is eerily familiar. I experienced simliar things in my example. Truly hard-core sexual discussions, nothing intangible or anything that could be "taken either way". Flat-out admissions of the desire to copulate, to put not too fine a point on it. 🙂 Then the "revisionist history" started.

Now, don't get me wrong. There's nothing wrong with two people who start getting hot and heavy online, on the phone, etc...backing off a bit to refocus on the friendship. But if those feeling are really there, if all of the heavy stuff was the result of a friendship already forged and it comes out of the blue like that, red flags should go off to an extent. You should be able to talk about it. If she doesn't want to (or he if you're a female and the situation is reversed) and just says something like "I just want it that way, let's go back", something's usually up.

Unfortunately, there are people online who just enjoy seeing how far they can go, how they can affect someone, and then change the rules when they realize they've gotten in deeper than they expected. People who use others' emotions online are far too common, and we have to be prepared for that. And, in the worst cases, there are just those who have no lives whatsoever and have to take whatever perceived power they can get from fucking with people online. They just get off on it and confuse it with real power or real emotion. Don't get mad about it, just pity them, count your own blessings and move on. These are not people you want in your life anyway. It might be hard to do, as some people are very good at the manipulation, and often just have sociopathic tendencies and are sick enough to actually enjoy fucking with others...and you're left wondering what you did wrong.

Nothing. Just move on. You're better off. Let someone else deal with them and learn their own lessons. Eventually, people like that develop enough of a trail of damage behind them that it's no longer effective.
 
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I greatly enjoyed your words, Dave, and I seriously hope I don't end up falling into the 'sociopathic emotion-tugging/exploiting' category. :umm:

Personally I just don't think I'm ready for a relationship still (and I'm 20 years old), in addition with all the crap that I have to deal with as well. That, and I think I need to guard my heart a lot more before I end up jumping into anything where I'm ending up making more compromises than I'm truly happy with making. I know the internet has allowed us this avenue of meeting people we'd never normally meet for: geographical, social, economic, or a multitude of other reasons, but because of that (and the double-edged sword of anonymity) one has to make their mental 'defense walls' even higher, and become increasingly more hesitant before anything gets too far, one way or another.

I'd say meeting face-to-face as friends would be the best thing, before further entanglements of love, and the like, are formally introduced. (ex. isabeau and CrusherTitan - A relationship that will solely remains 'friends' at best, though!) :happy:
Better to get to know the person as a friend, and see how everything goes from there (though that's likely not possible for most: financial issues).
 
All I can say is that there is really nothing much she can do if your hands have no more interest to hit the "enter key" for her or answer the phone.

She'll get over it in time, and you will manage to go on. Life is all bright when you log off the PC.

Powerplay is hazy, and some are good at it. 😉

I remain with my simple words: flirting is flirting. Nothing more. You can drop anything off by will.

Thanks for the good thoughts, ladies and gentlemen. Your words, as far as general online flirting go, are pretty well accurate, in my opinion. My situation wasn't quite as black and white as simple online flirting, so allow me to provide a little additional insight without rambling too much. There were phone conversations and talk of meeting in addition to regular messaging. A number of this young woman's messages were very flirtatious. A few in particular, so much so, that I really needed to be careful how I responded as not to give off the air of "pervert". There were admissions of crushes on one another as well.

A few months later, the hammer kind of dropped and this person began using a good deal of revisionist history (feels like the manipulation that Dave refers to). The "I thought we were just being friendly" excuse, even with all the very clear evidence that said otherwise. To this day, she still attempts to steer the relationship back in the direction of before any of this transpired and all we did was chat as friends online, seemingly hoping that its unpleasantness will magically disappear from my memory bank. The problem with that is pretty obvious. Even if we remain civil with each other online, there's always that memory of what happened and how much it stung, even if it is never broached.

This is really what I had on my mind when I started the post, though I decided to make it a little broader upfront just to get some general opinions. If any of you have additional thoughts as it pertains to general flirting or the type of situation I went through, by all means, have at it. I look forward to your responses.
 
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All I can say is that there is really nothing much she can do if your hands have no more interest to hit the "enter key" for her or answer the phone.

That's the plan. I've decided not to initiate any contact for the time being. If she wishes to chat, she can come to me. Not that I want to make it a power struggle, but it would be nice to feel as though I've regained a bit of control, having a choice of whether or not I choose to write back. Have to admit, at this point, writing back to her is not a top priority.
 
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