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Plus Sized Celebrities...Ramblings from Mimi.

Mimi

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Don't mind me here. Something has just been on my mind as of late, and I just wanted to get my thoughts out of my head for my own reasons.

Words can not possibly express how upset I was the other night watching "American Idol", when Simon told Vanessa that she needed to "lose a few pounds". I sat back and remembered last week when Ruben (a male contestant weighing in at approx 350lbs or so) performed, and Simon's comments were "YOU are what this contest is all about". No comments that he needed to lose weight to be a true American Idol. No comments about him not having the proper image. I found that to be highly hypocritical, since Vanessa is perhaps, at MAX, 20lbs overweight. She is not even what I would consider "plus-sized". She is merely volumptous. Why the double standard? Why are only women the focus of weight issues. Why must only women be told they must lose weight in order to be in the public eye?

Amidst all my discontent with that very topic, along comes Entertainment Tonight. Every night since Simon made that ridiculous comment, ET has paid a portion of their nightly broadcast to that very event, and other events in the past where Simon has said the same thing to other female contestants. They also have been interviewing Paula Abdul nightly on her view of the situation, given the fact she herself overcame a battle with bulemia, and she knows how damaging those kinds of comments can be to a female, and the risk factors involved if she takes such comments to heart.

Not only have they been doing that, but tonight they also interviewed several plus sized actresses and singers on how serious of an issue it is. Queen Latifa said she is a perfect example of how utterly stupid that nonesense is, and that you CAN be plus sized and still be successful in the entertainment business. Of course she also stated that to this date, she still is plagued daily by comments about her size and the need for her to 'lose weight'.

And as if ET had not impressed me enough with all the attention they were giving the issue, now they have brought on a new field reporter. None other then "Frenchie", the plus-sized African American contestant on American Idol, that was removed from the competition due to the fact that she had appeared on an adult website a few years back. Turns out being eliminated from the competition was the best thing that could have happened to her, for she now has found success through other forms of media. She may still get her singing career off the ground, though. Tonight she was interviewing the Dixie Chicks for ET, and they were quoted as saying that they have their own record label, and have yet to sign their first artist, and they have their eye on Frenchie.

Still it bothers me. Why must Calista Flockhart be the prime example of what females looking to be successful in the entertainment business should look like? Why must women be slandered about their weight to the point that it drives many of them to life threatening eating disorders? I look back at Karen Carpenter, Tracy Gold, Paula Abdul....none of them were EVER even slightly overweight, yet they were continually hounded on about not being a size zero. And they were driven to taking their own lives in their hands to fix a problem they did not have in the first place. I also look at Ann Wilson, and Carnie Wilson (no relation). They both have undergone the very dangerous stomach bypass surgery in recent years to gain the respect they had been seeking for so long. Why? Why were they belittled to the point of believing they had to do something so drastic just to be accepted. Their weight did NOT affect their talent. They were and still are gifted vocalists. Why did they have to lose weight to gain credibility as artists? Why can't a plus-sized woman be respected for her talents, REGARDLESS of her size?

I don't have any answers. I only know the very topic disgusts me, and plays it's role in how I live my own life. How often I myself debate with the idea of undergoing the very dangerous stomach bypass surgery myself, even knowing it carries a mortality risk of 6%. The fact that 6 out of every 100 people who have the surgery die is the ONLY thing that has caused me hesitation. My cousin and 2 good friends have all nearly died themselves undergoing the procedure. But yet I consider it. Just to gain respect from myself and society.

Why does society teach us that you must be below your ideal weight to be accepted? Well here's a newsflash for society. Big IS beautiful. ALL women are. Size bears no reflection of our minds, our personalities, our intelligence, or our talents. And THAT is what true beauty is all about.

Sorry for my rant. Carry on.

Mimi
 
I totally agree with you, Mimi. I'm not overweight in the least, but I couldn't care less how much someone weighs unless the person has a health problem. Unfortunately, our society has a double standard when it comes to beauty. 🙁 I hope you don't have that surgery, I think you're lovely just the way you are. 🙂
 
Am I hearing right?

Surgery?

Perhaps you think I'm being facetious when I call you hot, Mims.

I'm not, and it has nothing to do with temperature, either.

Whether you undergo surgery, or not, is not the point. Only you can give yourself self-esteem, and only you can let them take that away from you.

I've been both fat and skinny in my life. When I am fat, agreed, people can't even look at me and generally treat me like shite. When I'm buff, though, it's fun to see those same peeps curry my favour, and the look of shock on their faces when I tell them where to go, if they're lucky; and threaten them, if they're unlucky.

I would only condone your surgery, Mims, for the purposes of revenge, which tells you what a sonofabitch I am, but hey, it ain't easy being any type of minority in this world, n'est-ce pas?

Cheers.😀
 
Mimi, you are absolutely correct in that there is a double standard in this regard; that is, men who are overweight are not subject to the same social sanctions as women.

But I don't agree that Callista Flockhart is held up as the ideal image for women, at least not in the world at large. When her show was at the height of its popularity, everybody I know who commented on her, males and females alike, thought that she was much too skinny.

So my experience is that this outrageously skinny ideal does not extend to the general public.
 
I find it's mostly Hollywood types who push the skin-and-bones look, Mims - in other words, talent-free jerks who wouldn't know a real woman if she spit on them (Simon on American Idol can be thought of as the Joseph Goebbels of that group).

Remember - there are MANY of us in the real world who know better.
 
An ode to Mims...

you've got a great car
yeah whats wrong with it today?
i used to have one too
maybe i'll come and have a look
i really love your hairdo yeah
i'm glad you like mine too
see we're looking pretty cool
will get ya

so what do you do?
oh yeah I wait tables too
no i haven't heard your band
'cuz you guys are pretty new
but if you dig on vegan food
well come over to my work
i'll have 'em cook you something
that you really love

**
cos i like you
yeah i like you
and i'm feeling so bohemian like you


Copyright Dandy Warhols 2002. All rights reserved.

Cheers.😀
 
Hey, Mimi -

I saw the ET thing too, and thought some good things were said.

And I never found Calista to be "sexy" per se. I thought she was kind of cute, but WAY to skinny.

I'm not attracted to big women; I'm not attracted to small women. It just seems to be a random pattern, a combination of what my eyes tell me and the personal chemistry. I love all the FM models, but to me, Bella Risa and QB are pretty hot tamales as well. In high school I had crushed on "normal" sized women, but there were also to girls whom I fell for who were indeed larger.

I like tall ones, too. (Oh, thank you, thank you WNBA!) Weight on a woman isn't the only issue when it comes to image and the public eye- tall women get some pretty mean things said about them, too.

I'm thinking about that surgery, as well (I don't have the money for it, but I'm thinking about it....I'll just keep on thinking) I'm losing weight right now for many reasons, not just cosmetic although that's certainly a factor, but I'm finding an unplesant side effect (besides missing french fries and pizza): As I lose weoght, the weight I still have shifts, and it pulls on me downward and forward, so I'm actually leaning and hunching over more than ever....so even thought I'm doing the right thing health-wise in losing weight, and doing it slowly, I now look as bad as I ever did AND I have the addition of muscle aches due to this new stress on my bod.

Sometimes a fat dude just can't win. When they ever start cloning new bodies or doing full-on head transplants, I'll be right there!

If I have the money for it.

But have you ever noticed that some people were supposed to be big, just by looking at them? Think of it - when Oprah Winfrey lost all her weight in the 80s the 1st time, I though her body looked good, but that head of hers just didn't fit. It was too big! Her fish eyes, her huge mouth, nose, cheekbones, all out of proportion... it's like she was born to be a large woman. When she lost the weight fer features just didn't fit. I think Al Roker looks tremendously bad now, like he's aged all at one. On the other hand, Liz Taylor looked good both small and big (except, in my opinion, when she was at her most extreme size, but at that time she was emotionally unhappy & no one looks good like that. There are desperately addicted drug users out there that are tremendously skinny and they look terribly unhealthy that way...) So it's as is she was always supposed to be within a certain size, genetically.... not too big, not too small, or she would have looked freakish. A robust Liz worked for me.

Aw, what do I know - I am SO hungry!
 
Uh Check Again On...

Ann and Carnie Wilson, BOTH got their bypass surgery for HEALTH reasons, not appearance. And both have stated so publicly.

I do agree with the rest of what you said, I just wanted things to stay factual 🙂



Tron
 
I don't watch American Idol mainly because I don't want to watch someone be rude to nice people. It seems the show is setup just to hurt people for the entertainement of others. A concept I don't abide by. So I agree with you Mimi that is was not very nice to insult the person who was overweight as if they did not already know that. By the way I do have a weight problem and have probably lost out on a few jobs because of it. I have lost a fair amount of weight since then for health reasons.
 
Here is the Marine Corps' standards on what is considered a healthy weight to maintain based upon height. I'm not really sure why I'm posting this, since you're all talking about Hollywood's support of unhealthy body sizes, and my job certainly doesn't involve Hollywood, but I figured I'd post it to show what's statistically considered healthy based upon practical job requirements. Well, MY job requirements, that is.


Males

Height(inches): Weight(Min-Max in pounds):
64....................105-160
65....................106-165
66....................107-170
67....................111-175
68....................115-181
69....................119-186
70....................123-192
71....................127-197
72....................131-203
73....................135-209
74....................139-214
75....................143-219
76....................147-225
77....................151-230
78....................153-235

Females:

Height(inches): Weight(Min-Max in pounds):
58.....................91-121
59.....................92-123
60.....................94-125
61.....................96-127
62.....................98-130
63....................100-134
64....................102-136
65....................104-142
66....................106-147
67....................109-151
68....................112-156
69....................115-160
70....................118-165
71....................122-170
72....................125-175
73....................128-180

Some people can go outside of these regs if they are into certain activities that call for it, like weight-lifting. In this case, a body fat percentage test is used to judge whether or not they are overweight. Males must be under 18% body fat to be considered within healthy regs. Females must be under 26%. In my job, people who don't fall within the regs, whether over or underweight, are remediated and nothing is sugar-coated for them.

I have no opinion over whether or not big women are prettier/uglier than small women, because I've dated both ends of the spectrum, and all I've figured out is that I love women! 😀

As far as there being a double standard towards overweight men against overweight women, I think there is one, but I have a feeling that the majority of women find certain men sexy for reasons besides their physique. Take Sean Connery, for example. I think the man's in his eighties, and he's a pimp! I've known girls back in high school who said they'd love to bone him! Men, on the other hand, well, statistically, if I remember correctly, we think with our penis every 8-10 seconds, and we're genetically programmed to be attracted to the "hour-glass" figure (something to do with a child-bearing body type), and this Learning Channel program I watched recently actually said what the breasts and hips ratio was that men are programmed to look for, but I can't remember it. All I remember is that a lot of women meet this ratio that supposedly draws men, regardless of their weight.
 
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Don't get that surgery....!

You should really, REALLY read into that surgery, if anyone is thinking about getting it. Is it reversable? What are the long term effects? Short term? There are different kinds. I heard a while back, this is from memory, don't hold me to hard core solid facts here, but my friend, who was overweight at the time, was watching a program about a lady who had a sugery done. Yes, she lost a lot of weight, but she couldn't leave the house because she was on the toilet for so long. Her house stunk so bad, because you're body isn't properly digesting the food.

I have always been a big exercise fan. I am skinny, and will probably be skinny forever, if I follow the pattern of my family members. I move around a lot, I park at the end of the parking lot instead of driving around for an hour for the space up front, I take the stairs instead of the elevator, and I rarely if ever say "I got to walk ALL the way over there!?" Now, some people still do these things, and are over weight, but the vast majority of people I see that are obese just don't move. Little is beyond my reach in life, because I just go do it - as an example, my car broke down once at 2:00 in the morning. I walked 5 miles to see a friend who worked late across town (I was in another city). Now, I know a lot of people, who just wouldn't do that. I don't know what they'd do. Just sit there for 10 hours, I guess. I think if you have that ability, or that will, it doesn't even matter if you are over weight or not. As long as you can do for yourself totally, that's all that counts.

One of my friends did go on the Body for Life Program, and lost over 100 pounds. I say, if anyone needs to lose weight, do it naturally, and avoid the surgeries. Leave your body organs the way they are. And when they say what's inside that counts, better to have an intelligent and funny plump person than an empty, rude skinny chick.
 
I think Flatfoot by your table I might actually be in the healthy range now. Thanks for posting it.🙂

I think I have to agree with mabus if the surgery you are talking about is "stomach stapling" I think it is very dangerous. Only to be used in the most extreme circumstances I would say.
 
I'm not too fond of the "stomach-stapling" method. It relies on a supposed "enforced discipline" that basically says, don't eat too much, or you'll hurt yourself! My wife recently said she wanted to get this done, and I told her she was out of her skull. A little cardiovascular/fat-burning, will-power, and consistent improvement is all it really takes, even if it's just walking places you'd normally drive.
 
Mimi?
Silly Goose Girl. Surgery? Pshaw! Don'tcha dare~! 😛

You know, I've never been a little girl. Nope, NEVER. Even as a 5 year old, I was chubby. LOL But, you know what? There came a moment in my life where it almost stopped. (non-weight related issue FYI) That's when I woke up one morning and said, "WOW! Isn't the world lovely?" and I went on.

Frankly, I can say without question...

Skinny? *looks at self* Nope, not a chance!

Sexy? *looks at self* You betcha baby~! Wanna find out what lurks in the red box taking up residence in my brain? 😉:devil: :wow:

Preferences are ok, Mims. That's what Hollyood spews out. Just a preference. It doesn't matter to me if more people hold one preference than another, s'long as they don't mind me disagreeing. As my mom would say, "It takes all kinds to make the world go 'round." Just be as healthy as you can make yourself in your body, be aware that you live inside of it, and be happy about it!

Joby, who, by the way, likes her men older and with a few wrinkles. Bald helps too. Really hairy and bear like too wouldn'thurt. *hehe--not always going for the "norm" myself I reckon*
 
Joby,

I like the way you think!

I guess I picked a good time to be bald and in my mid 40's...
 
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