Lttg said:
it goes fuzzy for me here, im too much of a realist to say the world would be a better place without torture. and before you flame me, hear me out.
Theres torturing of innocents, to extract false confessions. obviously very very wrong.
Then theres situations like you get in the TV show 24 (I know its "just" a tv show, but life is stranger than fiction sometimes) where youve got the terrorist, the bomb is 30 minutes away from exploding, and he is just sitting there grinning. hes a hardened terrorist, bright lights and shouting and "conventional" interrogation techniques arent going to have any effect on him. hes 30 minutes from killing thousands of people. does he deserve any rights?
im aware thats very naive thinking. give people the freedom to torture, and they will abuse it, without question. but there are still some that would say tickling is a "humane" torture, as oxymoronic as that sounds.
Hiya everyone!
Okay, as i'm sure my friends would agree, tickle torture would prove 100% effective on me!
😱 --I can say it 'cuz it has worked on me terribly well in the past.
A couple minutes of wiggling a stiff feather in my belly button and i'd be singing whatever tune the tickler wanted me to.
And that's problem number one with torture at all... the information is always unreliable.
Ever since reading about this here last night i've been deeply disturbed by the serious consideration actual torture has received!! So i have to speak out.
First of all, the idea of the suspect grinning in defiance about a bomb that's going to go off in 30 minutes is beyond unrealistic. It may make a good story for the screen -except for the attitudes it seems to bring forth in us- but it reminds me of the moral scenarios that go something like this: You're speeding around a narrow mountain road at 100 kmph and suddenly a child jumps out in front of your car - do you hit her killing her or do you swerve off the road killing yourself?
-I mean who does that?? When would that ever happen??? It's a moral situation that is so beyond real it can not bear a real answer. Same with the mad grinning prisoner!
Shows like 24 hours or others set up situations to make us the viewers feel okay about the dehumanising that is ultimately necessary to torture another.
But look at the lengths the producers must go to make it okay for the good guys to behave like that! *shudder*
When you come right down to it, torture is all about the deliberate inflicting of horror on a creature of God to force that human being to do what we want. It not only requires the absolute elimination of all human values of compassion but it totally dehumanises not only the torture victim but the perpetrator as well.
How can i live with myself after i have deliberately, methodically, scientifically, put someone into an appoplectic state of pain and misery, and then when they cry out for mercy -continue with even more cruelty unless i consider him less than human?
And it goes beyond the individual. Torture undermines the entire society. It not only dehumanises the torturer and the victim but the entire system that must also ignore the agonsied cries of its prisoners as it systematises and validates intentional heartless cruelty against human beings - creatures made in the image of God.
Yet we might say, did these creatures of God not commit terrible crimes? Perhaps. Were they not themselves capable of commiting acts of cruelty? Sometimes yes. Yet still it does not justify the horrific act of torture.
Torture is 100% evil.
Dostoyevsky put it best,, if you want to test the true moral depth of a society - look at the way it treats its prisoners.
We do not better ourselves by dehumanising our own hearts and the victims so we can torture them. We make ourselves and our victims worse for it.
Comments have been made about the physical marks of one type of torture over another... Torture -especially where few marks are left- always leaves deep psychological scars on the victims and the criminals who do it. How do i sleep when every time i close my eyes i see the face of a man looking down at me ignoring my cries of agony as he continues brutalising me - by tickling or not.
One last point. Some seem to think there can actually be a clear line drawn between the "deserving criminal" and the "innocent".
That is about as naive a notion as they come. Do you not think that human rights abusers in any part of the world believed that those they were abusing were not deserving of the torments they inflicted?
There is little difference between the CIA backed regime that puts a lime filled bag over the head of a journalist and forces her to breathe the agonising dust because her articles advocating land reform sound too much like subversive communism, or the chaining of prisoners in torture postures known as "stress positions" because they may (or may not) know something about a future bomb threat.
Friends, the
real world, which has been much mentioned here, is
never neat with simple clear-minded moral good guys and mad demonic bad guys. It is always filled with messed up people who given the right combination of circumstances can do practically anything.
-Such is the clear message revealed in the human rights scandals of the coalition forces and Europe's ferrying of people for clandestine questioning.
Only with the kind of all out rejection of torture which was high on the world agenda through to August of 2001 can the inevitable horrors of it be avoided.
Thank you for listening to me.
I'm sorry to be so long winded but I really needed to say something.
I do hope this helps us to think about the blight of torture a little more deeply.
🙂
Many blessings,
Chickles
there must have been some. But according 2 Indian law its really hard for male policemen 2 torture females. i am not saying it doesnt hapeen. but it would be illegal and run a risk of being convicted in a charge of sexual harrasment. SO IF ITS WOMEN THE TICKLERS MUST ME FEMALE COPS 2. POOR DELHI POLICE GUYS. this torture can be theme of a grand tickle video. any takers?
