Producer's last hope: customer's internet ineptitude?

[keystotwo]

With how far piracy has escalated over the last few years, particularly the last two, how hard has it become for producers?

Literally every single clip they produce is out there within 24 to 48 hours. So I think they have become now more than ever dependent on people who aren't experienced internet users. You have to wonder how they are surviving, and how in the world are they turning a profit.

and to think that almost surely, the upcoming generation that is turning 18 is a lot more net savy than previous ones having used the internet since age 10-11, this will only make it harder for them.

You can already notice the content quality regressing, and you have to wonder, just how far will piracy push producers out, as i don't see any long term solution to the problem brewing. Just take the torrent site kickass, who was seized and went offline for a mere 2 or 3 hours a couple of days ago before resurfacing on another domain server shorty thereafter.

 

[kenken]

A few major pirates are doing most of the damage. And, to top it off they are using stolen credit cards... so not only does content get handed out for free, but in the end the producer gets chargebacks from C4S when card owners dispute the charges.

 

[robmic]

Pretty disturbing. I guess the generation I grew up in where you were taught morals and right from wrong is just about non-existent anymore.

 

[Comfort Eagle]

You can already notice the content quality regressing

How ya figure?

 

[keystotwo]

How ya figure?

while there have been more producers surfacing here and there and producing good content,the content of top producers is suffering -- in other words, new producers who don't produce as often pop up and make good clips, while the big dogs who produce day to day aren't doing as well. personal opinion, but that's not at the heart of the problem in my original post -- just an opinion!!!!

 

[Tickle Abuse]

Piracy is problem for sure, but tickleabuse.com has grown anyway, substantially. Someone here once told me that those who are going to pay will pay, those looking for free stuff will never buy a membership anyway. The biggest problem is chargebacks since my rate for VISA keeps going up and the cost in any business eventually will be passed on to the consumers. No matter what kind of business you have, you will have theft, unavoidable. The only thing we as a community can do is to BUY the videos we like and not be tempted to find pirated content, not likely anything is going to change anytime soon.

 

[keystotwo]

Someone here once told me that those who are going to pay will pay, those looking for free stuff will never buy a membership anyway

more power to them if those who are going to pay will pay, but i'm not sure many exist. If someone has the same video available for free or at 12 dollar charge? more often than not, we all know what he/she will choose

 

[Tickle Abuse]

more power to them if those who are going to pay will pay, but i'm not sure many exist. If someone has the same video available for free or at 12 dollar charge? more often than not, we all know what he/she will choose

If there were no honorable people who will pay, I and every tickling producer would be out of business. If you have the money, I think it is way easier to join my site and get all the videos you could want than to scour the internet looking for it for free.

 

[amkes]

Idk about many but if you are wondering where those people that use stolen credit cards get the card numbers from it is all the people looking for free vids so in the long run it isn't free cause sooner or later it will be your card they use since the vids they post usally have a key tracker on it. I'd rather pay for a membership that is actually cheep then risk having my credit damaged cause even if you claim theft it is marked in your credit. Just something many should think of looking for free content

 

[Teal]

Literally every single clip they produce is out there within 24 to 48 hours.

This is a massive exaggeration.

 

[keystotwo]

This is a massive exaggeration.

this statement goes back to my point, it depends who you are asking

 

[Darth Sidious]

I would have to agree to an extent. I don't think it's an exaggeration but it does depend on who you ask and their thought process. There's two problems at hand - piracy and oversaturation. Too many john does popping up making shotty material which further hurts the market. I agree with you key on this point, but I also agree with Tickle Abuse to the extent that there will always be those who will do the right thing and buy and those who never will. A good example is Napster and how it sensationalized Music piracy before the music industry stepped in. Obviously our materials are more niche and a much smaller scale, but you get my point. If piracy of content gets too out of hand, you are absolutely going to see a further decline of quality content for sure. I mean, there's no point in doing this if you can't make a return for your efforts and continue. This is one of the reasons I will not do memberships also - it would be like opening the floodgates.

My company in particular has done a very good job of putting an infrastructure in place to seriously mitigate and curve piracy. I made it a huge priority the last couple of years and am glad I did. We've successfully seriously reduced piracy of our content and holding those responsible accountable. Yes I know it sounds a little extreme, but like you said keys, you have to protect your content. I'm even open to offering its implementation to other producers who are interested in making this a priority.

I don't think we're at a point where good quality content will no longer be made, but there's no denying the regressional trend. I just hope we don't see a complete elimination of the very few quality providers that are still left. Time will tell...

this statement goes back to my point, it depends who you are asking

 

[Teal]

this statement goes back to my point, it depends who you are asking

No, I mean seeing the quality of clips decline or not is purely a subjective call, and likewise, how much piracy actually impacts producers is up to debate. What I was referring to was the specific claim that

Literally every single clip they produce is out there within 24 to 48 hours.

This is objectively false. Probably the majority of tickling clips ever made isn't out there period, and the pirated clips that are available for free download usually filter out over a period of weeks to months. Further, there is a lot of bias towards certain producers: if you are a big-name producer your clips are much more likely to be pirated, whereas many of the smaller producers aren't nearly as affected.

 

[Darth Sidious]

I observe a similar trend also and it makes sense. The bigger names with hundreds of clips tend to be pirated more than those that are smaller - same for those with memberships vs those without. Quantifying exactly how much it impacts each producer is hard to measure with so many variables. Best thing I can say here is, if half or more of your store is out there openly, you have a big problem on your hands!

No, I mean seeing the quality of clips decline or not is purely a subjective call, and likewise, how much piracy actually impacts producers is up to debate. What I was referring to was the specific claim that



This is objectively false. Probably the majority of tickling clips ever made isn't out there period, and the pirated clips that are available for free download usually filter out over a period of weeks to months. Further, there is a lot of bias towards certain producers: if you are a big-name producer your clips are much more likely to be pirated, whereas many of the smaller producers aren't nearly as affected.

 

[BBGuy5240]

Piracy is never going away. People will always find news ways to share material illegally.

It sucks because for many, eventually it does take it's toll. Because while some producers do this Part Time, others do it Full Time.

With TickleCentral, though he's taken a long break before, I think he's gone for good this time.

I don't know if piracy took it's toll financially, or if he just decided that there was no point anymore because his stuff was getting shared so quickly.

 

[Comfort Eagle]

Will someone explain how more/worse tickle porn guys means overall quality suffers? It seems like if there's nothing but dogshit left and right, then the "real" producers would get lavish praise and a shitload of attention for making "the good stuff" in a sea of mediocrity, how the hell does Johnny Jerkoff doing a bedroom video with his girlfriend and tossing it on TMF or C4S ruin Tickle Abuse or Intensives business model?