RPG Projects - Main Hero Poll

[AnimeWatcher1]

Hello all you fellow game lovers out there. Hope you've been enjoying all the delicious amount of games, text based, Flash, or RPG Maker-wise we've been getting as of late.

I've decided to make a poll for future projects that will be created and see what the public opinion is. Do note, this poll is just an opinion, not something to change future projects to only match the majority of the responses. It will simply help see what you all enjoy in games.

The poll is a multiple selection poll asking you, the player, what your preference is for the sex of the main character as well as tickle scenes seen throughout the game. Do try to not simply click EVERYTHING as there is an option for that 😛

(As a side note, I'm also posting this since I may or may not be working on my own tickle RPG project thanks to all the wonderful creativity and interest we have in this forum and would like to evaluate the consumer base)

 

[LurkLurkLurk]

Say we've got two voting blocks, A and B.
Block A has 50 voters. All of them vote for m/f. 12 of them vote "protagonist is switch," 38 vote protagonist strictly tops.
Block B has 40 people, all of whom vote f/f, with protagonist as a switch.

The net result would look like users prefer a switch hero, with a slight bias towards male.

What I'm getting at, here, is that the poll treats potentially dependent variables as independent.

 

[Carnivore]

Lurka makes a good point, there's more depth to this poll than meets the eye. Especially when you can vote for multiple options, and the poll isn't perfectly conducive to it. I still like that it was made, though.

I guess I'm block B, I voted F/F and for the hero to be a switch. But I'd be ok with a male protagonist, too. The male character tends to narrow the range of options we have a bit, I think. F/F seems more open. Admittedly, you miss out on the male doing it, if that's important to you. But I'd like to see good tickling with good and bad options. If the hero wins, he/she tickles. If they lose, they get tickled. It's also nice when there are "nice tickles" found somewhere in the game. Deus did a great job of this with ToG (not to mention optional gender). I'd like to see Screamer do some of that, too, come to think of it.

 

[Screamer811]

F\f!!

 

[AnimeWatcher1]

Remember that this is more an opinion poll that shouldn't significantly impact future projects. It will probably make future projects looked at on what the target audience wants, but you can't ALWAYS listen to what your fans want or else you'll get a convoluted, broken, stagnant mess 😉 (just look at any game forum to see what I mean)

If some artist has their heart and soul set on creating a F/M game despite many people preferring M/F, then that is what we'll end up with (and people will STILL play it). Just like how we have artists who make F/M and M/M stories/artwork/videos, despite the demographic being mostly M/F and F/F. And even if they do a M/F game, there's nothing wrong with inserting some F/M scenes into it to, whether for the fans or for the artist's own personal interests.

Note, the biggest thing this does is make the artist decide if they want a game like Deus's or Screamer's, deciding what sex the player will or won't be and giving them a choice or not. Give them a choice and you add time and effort to the project, depending on whether or not you're incorporating artwork (even more so if you want to draw said artwork); not like this is necessarily a bad thing.
Also look at Labyrinth of Laughter, where the creator made the option to skip over /M scenes if the player desired, an addition that he didn't have to add but did that appeases all groups.

Furthermore, we have these lovely forums to post on, so if you posted one thing but could be lenient/all-for more scenarios, then you can do just like Carnivore did and post your thoughts here 😀

 

[Lummie]

(As a side note, I'm also posting this since I may or may not be working on my own tickle RPG project thanks to all the wonderful creativity and interest we have in this forum and would like to evaluate the consumer base)

Now I know you didn't say that you're actually working on a game but if you did then I'd sure be happy to hear it. :stickout

 

[LurkLurkLurk]

Remember that this is more an opinion poll that shouldn't significantly impact future projects. It will probably make future projects looked at on what the target audience wants, but you can't ALWAYS listen to what your fans want or else you'll get a convoluted, broken, stagnant mess 😉 (just look at any game forum to see what I mean)

Regardless of how the results would be used, they're still muddy.

 

[Videotkl]

Equal. so all enjoy, plus i would like to play male hero too. lots of female heros in these tickle games. not many males. i would like a chose but under stand makes the games harder to make but hey making some games with females and others with males would be nice.

 

[10 armed tkler]

Strictly female hero with female ticklees
I prefer the hero equally tickling others/being tickled

Really no question for me. If top then the next option as well. Which is why I loved LO and loving KP.

 

[buttontickler05]

F/F all the way.

 

[whade06]

I'd really like to see a male hero or main 'lee character done well. I think a lot more could be done with it, but people's imagination seems to run a bit dry when it comes to characters their own gender. f/f is of course the "safe route" with most people so what I think would do is do primarily that but work really hard to think up alluring male characters on the side. There are a lot of archetypes to draw from, and a lot of tickling story traditions that yu can build a character's shtick around, so I would be really excited to see it done well.

I think the main problem is that most of your audience is male, some of whom will not take /m no matter what. But that's not everybody at all, a lot of us like to imagine ourselves on the receiving end. The question is how you can satisfy the second audience and try new things in m/ and /m while still pleasing the first.

 

[AnimeWatcher1]

Now I know you didn't say that you're actually working on a game but if you did then I'd sure be happy to hear it. :stickout

These projects are incredibly time consuming, in no particular way because the artist is also the coder and the writer. But the more you do and the more you lookup, the faster things can go for future projects.
One of the harder parts to think of is what to do for battle and character portraits and whether or not you want to find them online from another artist or draw them yourself so they fit perfectly.

If you find them online, bada bing bada boom you just need to cut and paste them in and you've got yourself a monster/ticklee/villian/hero. Unfortunately you also give up the ability to make your characters have more poses and the pictures' art styles vary from artist to artist. What's more, you'll have a harder time matching the sprites to the artwork, and sometimes even have to drop your ideas so it can.

Now if you went and drew them yourself, the art style would all match AND you could draw scenes that show the victims tied up having a paintbrush swirled in their armpits while they cry out, followed by a pair of hands joining their ribs causing them to arch their back and laugh harder. BUT - you now have to draw AND color aaalll these characters and scenarios. Well, depending on how much art you're actually wanting.

UH-I MEAN - yknow - IF I was doing one, THAT would probably be on my mind I'll bet.

Regardless of how the results would be used, they're still muddy.

Aahhhh, Lurka Lurka Lurka. Sherpa Sherpa Jihad. When you're right, you're right; muddiness abounds here; but the results are already turning out better than I expected. You'll find I can be quite the ass backwards sort of person. Since I made the poll I've watched it; did you know how neck and neck M/F, /Hero, Hero/ and MF/MF was for a while there? It was quite fascinating.

Oh sure, F/F and Equal Lee/Ler were chosen significantly more, but you can't just look at the two highest numbers at the end of the day. Those choices had roughly the exact same number of fans for hours. Yea, I know, saying "don't look at the final count" is essentially the exact opposite of what a poll should be. But I'm learning quite a bit from this post.

What's more, even with the multiple choice, people come on here and speak their mind. It isn't just the poll; you now have discussion going on which gives more idea on choices OR thought processes rather than "click a button and go by that". Even if it's them simply coming here and saying "WOMEN PLEASE KTHNXBAI", it adds so much more than just another tick on the selections.

I'd really like to see a male hero or main 'lee character done well. I think a lot more could be done with it, but people's imagination seems to run a bit dry when it comes to characters their own gender. f/f is of course the "safe route" with most people so what I think would do is do primarily that but work really hard to think up alluring male characters on the side. There are a lot of archetypes to draw from, and a lot of tickling story traditions that yu can build a character's shtick around, so I would be really excited to see it done well.

I think the main problem is that most of your audience is male, some of whom will not take /m no matter what. But that's not everybody at all, a lot of us like to imagine ourselves on the receiving end. The question is how you can satisfy the second audience and try new things in m/ and /m while still pleasing the first.

Mmm, I do not think it is simply a dry spell that affects the artists. Clearly to many of us, the female body is superior to the male; at least when it comes to having a feather on it. Preferences and ability come into play. Just look at all the artists of the past and how many preferred the female form for inspiration and reference.

I, for instance, am TERRIBLE at drawing males that have any sort of muscle to them(Oh god, the muscle groups - OH GOD! OH GOD!), which if I recall is what a majority of men prefer to play as (and I'd say women as well when they play male characters). I would think effeminate/feminine-looking men seem like something most wouldn't want to play, as it'd be like playing a woman just with a penis and no breasts 😛

But here is a question - what counts as a 'lee male main done well? Did you play LoL? What is your opinion of the /M scenes (and character I guess) in that game? Perhaps I should also ask what your thoughts are of Deus's /M scenes.

 

[marcelostalker]

I prefer anything/F.
The only problem if the hero is a male is that I would not be interessed on him being tickled.

 

[Geckomaster]

Just a quick hit on the male hero:
I think male heroes have the potential for even more depth in there tickling scenes, as i have found most f/f scenes from former games too playful for my taste...
now i do love the story of KP and how there are only women in the game, but i personally prefer the ToG setting.

Another point, I am, as some of you might know, heavily working on a story that will result in a text-based game (to say i'm working on the game already would be far from the truth), and one point on which i was instantly sure was that the game had to have everything, */f , */m, tickling, t&d, sex, etc.

regarding the /m-scenes, while i can understand men not liking m/m (took me a while myself), and while i can understand men not particularly caring about */m pics, i have yet to hear (or read) a good explanation on why the hell someone would be offended by a f/m story (or chapter in a text-only game), where the autor uses "you"... how is a female hero being tied down and toyed with in any way superior to a sexy, devilish lady doing it with you?

 

[Excess]

regarding the /m-scenes, while i can understand men not liking m/m (took me a while myself), and while i can understand men not particularly caring about */m pics, i have yet to hear (or read) a good explanation on why the hell someone would be offended by a f/m story (or chapter in a text-only game), where the autor uses "you"... how is a female hero being tied down and toyed with in any way superior to a sexy, devilish lady doing it with you?

Well I'll just pop out of nowhere and answer your questions. The thing is that the last thing there assumes the guy is actually interested in being tickled. This isn't always the case, as is so with...well anything really. It's not simple enough to just say "Pretend it's you being tickled by the woman" when the fact that guys prefer seeing a female being tickled proves that the emphasis is does not rest purely on the ler.

I'm mostly talking from a personal P.O.V. of course. Personally, I have no interest in being the lee, not that it really works for me anyway. So it'd be impossible to put myself in that imaginary position. And as actually seeing a male being tickled does nothing for me, yeah...

 

[shadowscurse1]

As long as it is well written and descriptive, I'll enjoy anything. I PREFER f/f but I in no way hate m/m or f/m. I played though the /m scenes in ToG and LoL, and they were all very well done, so I enjoyed them. Granted not everyone will be as open minded, but if you write it well I'm sure someone will enjoy it XD.

If you have set characters, like in LoL, you could always do the remote thing. Where you turn on or off the /m scenes via an item in-game; that would work for most people I assume. On the other hand if you go The Great Deus route, and have one character, that you choose the gender of, then you can encompass everyone's quirks. Then said players can just choose which quirks they want to focus on/play by picking a certain character.

Regardless whatever you decided, if you write and present it well they will come 😛

P.S. Anime Watcher is awesome :lol

 

[stork]

I prefer anything/F.
The only problem if the hero is a male is that I would not be interessed on him being tickled.

About sums up my thoughts.

 

[acoaco]

i love f/f tickling :drool

 

[Geckomaster]

of course i can understand not being a 'lee, but my question was more about the difference in votes for f/f and the tickling being switched action. I mean, if your only interested in tickling (neglecting one half of our great fetish, i.m.o., but i'm not starting a discussion on THAT here), wouldn't that also apply to a heroine being tickled? and by that, i mean strictly text-wise, since writing for you, the hero, is pretty much the best way to write a text-based adventure, wouldn't you still read: "person A straps you to the bed and tickles you" (bland sentences like that will not be in my story, but let's pretend they are 😀)

in short: my game might not be suited for everyone, since it wil feature f/m and optional m/m (the hero, optional again, being on both parts). However, it will feature masive amounts of m/f, featuring tickling, t&d, sexual acts and, beware, ROMANCE

romance is the main part of why i would always go for mixed genders: while f/f relationships are not undoable and i like them as much as the next guy, from a phillosophical standpoint, wouldn't it be awful to have every story end with them just because you only enjoy seeing a chick get it? imagine yourself being a girl (except for those of you who are girls, in which case i hope you can relate to what i'm saying) and playing, reading, etc. through so many f/f games without a male being in them... now i know what video producers, comic publishers etc. out there do to make you feel otherwise, but most women, 'ler or 'lee, prefer males as there 'lers or respective 'lees, and, dare i say so, you should thank god for it (i know i do). so, little there count may be, but i want those ladies to also enjoy my game, so i included a little bit (a rather, a huge amount) of action for everyone

 

[AnimeWatcher1]

As long as it is well written and descriptive, I'll enjoy anything. I PREFER f/f but I in no way hate m/m or f/m. I played though the /m scenes in ToG and LoL, and they were all very well done, so I enjoyed them. Granted not everyone will be as open minded, but if you write it well I'm sure someone will enjoy it XD.

If you have set characters, like in LoL, you could always do the remote thing. Where you turn on or off the /m scenes via an item in-game; that would work for most people I assume. On the other hand if you go The Great Deus route, and have one character, that you choose the gender of, then you can encompass everyone's quirks. Then said players can just choose which quirks they want to focus on/play by picking a certain character.

Regardless whatever you decided, if you write and present it well they will come 😛

A good point indeed. Deus and his gender/ticklishness selectors definitely allowed you to customize your character to your liking and appeal to EVERYBODY. There is does raise a problem from a game design perspective, however, and that is he now has to code for each different character, male or female, and their weaknesses for scenes, events, game overs, victories, and more ALL throughout the game. And he is only up to Chapter 3 lol. He has a long, long road ahead of him.

P.S. Anime Watcher is awesome :lol

Ah, thank you my appreciative, little turtle friend!

The day I finally make tickling a worldwide sport and favorite past-time, you shall be at the top of the Announcer list; with free access to the grounds of course. :lol

of course i can understand not being a 'lee, but my question was more about the difference in votes for f/f and the tickling being switched action. I mean, if your only interested in tickling (neglecting one half of our great fetish, i.m.o., but i'm not starting a discussion on THAT here), wouldn't that also apply to a heroine being tickled? and by that, i mean strictly text-wise, since writing for you, the hero, is pretty much the best way to write a text-based adventure, wouldn't you still read: "person A straps you to the bed and tickles you" (bland sentences like that will not be in my story, but let's pretend they are 😀)

in short: my game might not be suited for everyone, since it wil feature f/m and optional m/m (the hero, optional again, being on both parts). However, it will feature masive amounts of m/f, featuring tickling, t&d, sexual acts and, beware, ROMANCE

romance is the main part of why i would always go for mixed genders: while f/f relationships are not undoable and i like them as much as the next guy, from a phillosophical standpoint, wouldn't it be awful to have every story end with them just because you only enjoy seeing a chick get it? imagine yourself being a girl (except for those of you who are girls, in which case i hope you can relate to what i'm saying) and playing, reading, etc. through so many f/f games without a male being in them... now i know what video producers, comic publishers etc. out there do to make you feel otherwise, but most women, 'ler or 'lee, prefer males as there 'lers or respective 'lees, and, dare i say so, you should thank god for it (i know i do). so, little there count may be, but i want those ladies to also enjoy my game, so i included a little bit (a rather, a huge amount) of action for everyone

I'm actually quite surprised by this poll as I didn't expect F/F to outweigh M/F, at least this much(hell, I didn't think F/M would've been so little either haha).

There is a difference between you playing a male, and you playing a female. I'll use my own personal experience when I played ToG - as there isn't a single male hero that exists in my games (I'll probably make one someday to see if the monster torment scenes and romance scenes change based on whether or not you have a shlong).

See, for me, playing as a female character places met into the story, BUT at a 2nd-person point of view. It's like I'm on the woman's shoulder rather than inside her body and mind. This disconnect allows me to watch her get tickled just like as if she was any other woman; she just has the odd name "You" 😛 Unlike just another woman, however, I also act as a conscious and direct her actions. "Go here, fight that, steal this, tickle her belly, act retarded and lose so your feet get tormented, kiss her PASSIONATELY".

In games, this boils down more to the customization options. If I can do a little customizing, I can make this male become "me". This allows me to have a connection to the character on a slightly deeper note that I would a girl because no matter what, it's still a woman's body. If it's just some premade guy, I can't connect with him and it's just like watching a /M video (this is also why I never touch those "such and such model tickles YOU" videos that get made. That's not me, that didn't happen, that's not my body, and that CERTAINLY isn't my horse-I mean ELEPHANT...yes...elephant wiener).

However, this CAN work easier in text based games, depending on how the author writes the player, as a male, being tickled. We all have bellies, we all have feet, we all have chests and armpits. When you begin mentioning measurements, how rock hard their abs are, or other physical characteristics, the player loses that connection with the faceless male lead that was originally them. Names don't matter as much, it's about characteristics and player description.

In short: Yes, we all know your game is going to be totally awesome lol; and I dunno about other men, but I'm never turned off by romance in a game so long as it's with characters I like or a romance I can choose.


You also bring up another interesting topic - how many women DO play these tickle games? You hardly ever see one in this part of TT (maybe it's because they're just smarter than us and can figure out all a game's puzzles lol).

Besides, we can simply use the female writers of fanfiction to show examples of what women do. They write stories to satiate their lust, particularly involving yaoi, and often times placing themselves or replacing a character in the story with themselves having "shmexy fun time" with their favorite actor and imagining that's how it'd be like if it were real :stickout And if they are ever looking at a story that doesn't involve men, why they simply imagine that some of the females are actually feminine men and it all works out!
(Please note: this is just me joking and in no way is an actual representation of the female populous)

 

[FeatherDaemon1]

As for the protagonist I could go female or male. A male in an all female world could have some very interesting scenarios. But the tickling would have to involve a woman somehow as a ler or lee. This is my male perspective on things.

 

[shadowscurse1]

A good point indeed. Deus and his gender/ticklishness selectors definitely allowed you to customize your character to your liking and appeal to EVERYBODY. There is does raise a problem from a game design perspective, however, and that is he now has to code for each different character, male or female, and their weaknesses for scenes, events, game overs, victories, and more ALL throughout the game. And he is only up to Chapter 3 lol. He has a long, long road ahead of him.



Ah, thank you my appreciative, little turtle friend!

The day I finally make tickling a worldwide sport and favorite past-time, you shall be at the top of the Announcer list; with free access to the grounds of course. :lol



I'm actually quite surprised by this poll as I didn't expect F/F to outweigh M/F, at least this much(hell, I didn't think F/M would've been so little either haha).

There is a difference between you playing a male, and you playing a female. I'll use my own personal experience when I played ToG - as there isn't a single male hero that exists in my games (I'll probably make one someday to see if the monster torment scenes and romance scenes change based on whether or not you have a shlong).

See, for me, playing as a female character places met into the story, BUT at a 2nd-person point of view. It's like I'm on the woman's shoulder rather than inside her body and mind. This disconnect allows me to watch her get tickled just like as if she was any other woman; she just has the odd name "You" 😛 Unlike just another woman, however, I also act as a conscious and direct her actions. "Go here, fight that, steal this, tickle her belly, act retarded and lose so your feet get tormented, kiss her PASSIONATELY".

In games, this boils down more to the customization options. If I can do a little customizing, I can make this male become "me". This allows me to have a connection to the character on a slightly deeper note that I would a girl because no matter what, it's still a woman's body. If it's just some premade guy, I can't connect with him and it's just like watching a /M video (this is also why I never touch those "such and such model tickles YOU" videos that get made. That's not me, that didn't happen, that's not my body, and that CERTAINLY isn't my horse-I mean ELEPHANT...yes...elephant wiener).

However, this CAN work easier in text based games, depending on how the author writes the player, as a male, being tickled. We all have bellies, we all have feet, we all have chests and armpits. When you begin mentioning measurements, how rock hard their abs are, or other physical characteristics, the player loses that connection with the faceless male lead that was originally them. Names don't matter as much, it's about characteristics and player description.

In short: Yes, we all know your game is going to be totally awesome lol; and I dunno about other men, but I'm never turned off by romance in a game so long as it's with characters I like or a romance I can choose.


You also bring up another interesting topic - how many women DO play these tickle games? You hardly ever see one in this part of TT (maybe it's because they're just smarter than us and can figure out all a game's puzzles lol).

Besides, we can simply use the female writers of fanfiction to show examples of what women do. They write stories to satiate their lust, particularly involving yaoi, and often times placing themselves or replacing a character in the story with themselves having "shmexy fun time" with their favorite actor and imagining that's how it'd be like if it were real :stickout And if they are ever looking at a story that doesn't involve men, why they simply imagine that some of the females are actually feminine men and it all works out!
(Please note: this is just me joking and in no way is an actual representation of the female populous)

I am the same way when it comes to playing as a female in games. Also if it is a male hero then I definitely like to have the customization factor in there. I have no doubt that if you ever made a game I would greatly enjoy it :stickout

 

[Geckomaster]

well, nice to see that at least some of the things i wrote while being totally deprived of sleep made some sense 😀 i bet we could sit here and talk about standpoints on character customization aaall day,and i see why there may be problems with a male char, since i hate those "...tickles YOU" vids as well.

in no way is my game going to be awesome, right now i merely have a setup in mind that i think i would greatly enjoy if handled by someone who is competent with those things 😀 (if i could do the original art needed for that kind of stuff, i would be doing a VN right now alas, i can't). but i get what you mean and will seize the shameless pluging as ooof... now!

As for female players, or the lack thereof... come on, it can't be that bad, there has got to be a female player or two... someone...? anyone?... hello?...
damn it, and here i was thinking i was writing for both genders 😀