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safeworded claiming that she couldn’t breath

Pluma

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There’s a lee who keeps safewording on me claiming that she can’t breath (no gags used, tied comfortably in spread-eagle position).
Now, to my knowledge one can not consciously stop breathing to the point of asphyxia because the A. nervous system overrides conscious control and forces you to inhale.
I’ve read descriptions of silent laughter that seem to support my take on this but I’ve also read accounts (fictitious I hope) of people being tickled to death.
So, can I honestly assure this girl that no matter how hard she laughs she will not asphyxiate?
 
There are many reasons why a lee would feel an inability to breathe. Their physical bondage doesn't always have to be a factor. They could have breathing difficulties normally or simply be having a form of anxiety attack. ALWAYS honor a safeword when it's used.

However, if you want to prover to her that she'll be okay, the best way I can think of is to exercise some patience and understanding. As she grows used to being bound and tickled, she may find that her tollerance and enjoyment of it increase.

Just my opinion, mind you.

Ann
 
Like Duo said, it could just be anxiety overwhelming her to use the safe word.
Try progressive tickling.
For example, increase the tickling in thirty second intervals. Stop for a few seconds....then restart tickling adding an additional thirty seconds.. etc.

1.) :30 seconds non stop tickling. Stop for a few seconds.
2.) :60 seconds non stop tickling. Stop for a few seconds.
3.) :90 seconds non stop tickling. Stop for a few seconds.
etc. etc.

TTD
 
If you and your playmate have agreed on a safe word and they use it, then stop. Period.

The why is not as significant as the fact that the word has been used. It means they wanted to stop. It might be for a different reason then they say. It might be because they FEEL like they cannot breath, which is as real to them as if they really can't. But it all comes out the same. Stop, let them go, and have a talk about what was going right, and what was going wrong. Then the next time take steps to correct for the issues, and see if things change.

Myriads
 
I agree with Myriads here. Honor your lee's safeword at all times.
It is the catalyst to the strength of your trust bond with her. If she is actually able to say the word, she is obviously breathing, but may fear that she will lose that ability.
One thing you may want to try is the "pinch out" system. If she gets to a point of not being verbal, have one of your legs or another body part close to one of her hands. Two rapid pinches is the indication that she needs the tickling to stop immediately. Pete and I use this and it has been totally successful.

Enjoy and play safely,
Jen
 
I have to chime in here about the use of safewords. As stated by those above who have much experience in these things, I agree that a safeword should always be respected. There are rare occasions when play can go beyond anything you've done before, but these instances are always done between two people who really know and trust each other, and the scene is discussed beforehand.

One the flip side...

'Lee's and Subs, you have a part in this as well. First off, don't refrain from using your safeword out of fear of pissing someone off. And don't use it just to see if it'll work, either. If you use it arbitrarily, your Dom is not going to really know when you're seriously needing to stop. This makes for an unsafe condition. A safeword should always be respected, but also only used when needed. This is an issue that's different with every relationship, so get to know each other, and each other's limits.

😎
 
Gotta Agree!

I am a lee and a ler by the way, so I can relate somewhat.

I remember thinking before my first gathering that these people would KILL me! LOL. I had never been tickled for excessive amounts of time. And well I'm still here so....heehee

But anyways, I know lers love to be in control (and all that jazz), but a comfortable and happy lee will play with ya over and over again. STOP as soon as you hear the safeword no matter what. Ask her what techniques to use that will make use of the safeword less frenquent. Every lee is different so open communication is the KEY.

Live, Laugh, and TICKLE
Sunriseticklee
:Kiss2:
 
Re: Gotta Agree!

Sunriseticklee said:
I am a lee and a ler by the way, so I can relate somewhat.

I remember thinking before my first gathering that these people would KILL me! LOL. I had never been tickled for excessive amounts of time. And well I'm still here so....heehee

But anyways, I know lers love to be in control (and all that jazz), but a comfortable and happy lee will play with ya over and over again. STOP as soon as you hear the safeword no matter what. Ask her what techniques to use that will make use of the safeword less frenquent. Every lee is different so open communication is the KEY.

Live, Laugh, and TICKLE
Sunriseticklee
:Kiss2:



Ahhhhhhhhhh Sunrise! SO when you say your are one of the UNBROKEN, that is due to the fact that nobody had ever really tried TO break you! Since you claim not to have been tickled for any excessive amounts of time!?
Muhahahahahaha!😛 😉
I do believe I am begining to see a crack in YOUR selfproclaimed armor!? YES?😛 😛 😛 😉 😀


TTD
 
Re: Re: Gotta Agree!

TickledToDeath said:



Ahhhhhhhhhh Sunrise! SO when you say your are one of the UNBROKEN, that is due to the fact that nobody had ever really tried TO break you! Since you claim not to have been tickled for any excessive amounts of time!?
Muhahahahahaha!😛 😉
I do believe I am begining to see a crack in YOUR selfproclaimed armor!? YES?😛 😛 😛 😉 😀


TTD

I see your reading comprehension skills are slipping TTD. You might need to stay after class for some tutoring. I'll have to place a phone call to Shy Girl and see if that can be arranged.

Now "Smarts"... I said prior to the gathering, I HAD not been tickled excessively. That was New Year's 2001. Have, has, had... etc... sigh, everyone can't be me! LOL

And I suppose you are right. (sarcasm) I only spent a limited of time being tickled at that gathering. *dodging lightening* Shame on me for thinking that I have some endurance. *ZAPPPPPP* Oof!

LMAO... but I have enough ass to do that from time to time! Heehee 😀

Everyone has their dreams TTD... WAKE THE HELL UP! heeheehe
Live, Laugh and TICKLE
Sunrisetickleee
:Kiss2:
 
Perhaps the sun is setting on You Sunrise.
You stated, and I quote.." I have never been tickled excessivly".

Your prior to you first gathering comment was directed at the fact that you thought they would "kill you".
Seperate statement following was that you have never been tickled excessivly.
I understand your self confusion here, Sunrise, after all you are from Georgia!😛 😉 😀 :zzzzz:


TTD
 
TickledToDeath said:
Perhaps the sun is setting on You Sunrise.
You stated, and I quote.." I have never been tickled excessivly".

Your prior to you first gathering comment was directed at the fact that you thought they would "kill you".
Seperate statement following was that you have never been tickled excessivly.
I understand your self confusion here, Sunrise, after all you are from Georgia!😛 😉 😀 :zzzzz:


TTD

DO YOU NEED GLASSESS? I had never been tickled for excessive amounts of time. Do you see the word HAD! A direct quote from my post. Damn you are getting old. You might kill over before you say the safeword... LOL

Drop it old GOAT! Heeheehee... And darling I am from LA.
Love, Laugh and READ... oh TICKLE TOO
Sunriseticklee
:Kiss2:

You will NEVER win a game of conjugation with me. I "IS" (heehee) the drama QUEEN!
 
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And how are you gonna quote me and not spell EXCESSIVELY right! I didn't even use that word in my original post. (Been sippin on that juice again, I see) The only thing that is excessively broken is your spelling, French Fry HEAD!

SO THERE! 😛

Live, Laugh and TICKLE!
Sunriseticklee
:Kiss2:

Are all old folks like him? Hmm? QBWEAVER? *wiggles fingers at her*
Oops now I am really in trouble.
 
Sunriseticklee said:


DO YOU NEED GLASSESS? I had never been tickled for excessive amounts of time. Do you see the word HAD! A direct quote from my post. Damn you are getting old. You might kill over before you say the safeword... LOL

Drop it old GOAT! Heeheehee... And darling I am from LA.
Love, Laugh and READ... oh TICKLE TOO
Sunriseticklee
:Kiss2:

Never correct a teacher unless you are right, dear. You will NEVER win a game of conjugation with me. I "IS" (heehee) the drama QUEEN!

Potato PoTOTo, Tomato, ToMOTo. You have and or had never been tickled excessivly before compared to what you will endure at MY fingers!
I see very clearly and right through YOU Sunrisesetting!

I will survive!😛 😛 😉 😀 😱


TTD
 
Sunriseticklee said:
And how are you gonna quote me and not spell EXCESSIVELY right! I didn't even use that word in my original post. (Been sippin on that juice again, I see) The only thing that is excessively broken is your spelling, French Fry HEAD!

SO THERE! 😛

Live, Laugh and TICKLE!
Sunriseticklee
:Kiss2:

Are all old folks like him? Hmm? QBWEAVER? *wiggles fingers at her*
Oops now I am really in trouble.

I left the E out purpose as the E stands for your End!😛

TTD
 
TickledToDeath said:


Potato PoTOTo, Tomato, ToMOTo. You have and or had never been tickled excessivly before compared to what you will endure at MY fingers!
I see very clearly and right through YOU Sunrisesetting!

I will survive!😛 😛 😉 😀 😱


TTD

Make sure you take some Bayor for your Arthritis before tickling me. God knows I don't want you getting stuck anywhere...

Damn it! *throws a dictionary at TTD* Use that! :blaugh:

Live, Laugh and TICKLE
Sunriseticklee
:Kiss2:
 
TickledToDeath said:


I left the E out purpose as the E stands for your End!😛

TTD


Oh what tangled webs we weave........ LIAR

ive, augh, and TICKE
Sunrisetickee
:Kiss2:

I left the L's out for Lame Lying LOSER! Heeheehee

Ok... *hugs* Time will tell so lets leave it at that. Unless you want me to become a TMF regular on this thread. LOL
 
Hump!

That's a negative TTD.

I have AOL and Yahoo. I'll see YOU in the chatroom MISTER!

Still no live, laughs and Tickles for you!
Sunriseticklee
No Kisses either... :Kiss2: for everyone else! LOL
 
Re: Hump!

Sunriseticklee said:
That's a negative TTD.

I have AOL and Yahoo. I'll see YOU in the chatroom MISTER!

Still no live, laughs and Tickles for you!
Sunriseticklee
No Kisses either... :Kiss2: for everyone else! LOL

That you WILL MissySunrisetheSunsettingticklee!

TTD
 
safewords

For me, part of the fun in tickling is the absolute control I have that no matter how she reacts, the tickling only stops when I sense it has stopped being fun, at least at some level, for her. At no time should safe words be ignored. The moment trust is replaced by panic, all tickling would be stopped in this house, and right now.

Luckily, for us there has been an evolution in our tickling. We pretty much got away from safe words and non-reflex type limits in our late twenties or early thirties. The only way she can get me to stop is when when her tickle reflexes make the pitch of her screaming drop the right amount. She also can convince me when her facial muscles cause her smile or the shape of her eyes to distort slightly into a more tortured look. I've never told her this, so she keeps begging and screaming and whatever else she can do in her efforts.

Silent laughter makes this unbelieveably more fun because she somehow has to get in some air if she is going to even change the pitch of her screams. Then, she often laughs when she should have screamed so she has to go through at least one more laugh cycle to get to where she has a chance again. Eventually, she manages to make me understand.

Now I know I'm not really hurting her. Her silent laughing rarely goes over eight or ten seconds. My guess is this is true for most extremely ticklish people. This is way short of the time necessary to really harm someone with tickling. In fact, it might seem longer for the ticklee, but that just makes the teasing better.

The point is, our methods evolved and the durations between little rests for her became longer and longer over many ticklings. She still tries everything she can to protect herself. Yet she's learned by many repititions that it will stop when it starts to torture her, even if she doesn't have any voluntary control over exactly when that will be. Panic can be a form of torture. Let her build up to it. Heck, your tickle sessions might even last longer if you give her lots of rest periods. You might even find it's fun to tease her to distraction by telling her what you are going to do to her next.

Hiram
 
Nonverbal safewords are agreed upon and I always stop when they are used.

( in case someone thought I was questioning the validity of safewords)
That said, I wanted to thank you all for the sensible advice. TTD’s progressive tickling approach is definitely the way to go with someone not used to being tickled. I guess I wanted to do too much too fast.
 
Re: Nonverbal safewords are agreed upon and I always stop when they are used.

Pluma said:
( in case someone thought I was questioning the validity of safewords)
That said, I wanted to thank you all for the sensible advice. TTD’s progressive tickling approach is definitely the way to go with someone not used to being tickled. I guess I wanted to do too much too fast.


Thanks Pluma. I have found that with NEW ticklees who are somewhat panicy, the progressive method is definatly the way to go and has worked very well.
Eventually, all whom I have used this method on have become to take much more each time.

TTD
 
Remember this. Just because the body will save itself doesn't mean it's COMFORTABLE (or healthy) to be starved of breath for 5...10...15 seconds at a time. So when she does say it, obey it. Then just start up again once she's got her breath. You'll tickle longer, she'll have more fun and she'll come back next time for more.
Ignore the safeword and you'll have no more willing ticklee. Comfort is good.
 
however, as people have been saying - with time - things change.

ive recently had experiance with a 'lee wanting to avoid a certain type of tickling.. and then a few weeks later changing their mind and wanting to try it....

and the reason was, after that time she became more comfortable with the whole idea and more trusting etc... so give things time rather than ignoring them...

you may find that after a while the safe word will never be used anyway. But always obey it either way!

Dr
 
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