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School Shooting

Limeoutsider

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In Spokane, Washington, a 17-year-old boy opened fire in a classroom and was consequently shot by police. After learning that the boy was in possession of a handgun, around 2,000 people were evacuated from the school. The SWAT team tried to negotiate with the boy but then he got aggressive. He was angry but the police have not found his motive. Once he was in that aggressive state, he shot the wall and no one was hurt. The police then shot him, apprehended him and took him to the hospital where he is reported to be just fine.
At least no one was hurt
 
Another one.:sowrong: Lord, what are we coming to, if our children are trying to kill each other? What, I ask you?:sowrong:
 
If the police sharpshooter had only aimed a little higher...Oh well.
 
Sadly, I must agree with Drew. I have no feelings for someone who would take another's life. He'll just do it again, if he ever gets out.:sowrong:
 
Sorry, Cosmo. I guess my heart was distracted thinking about the kids that were needlessly endangered by an act of sheer aggression.
 
um...hello?

ah, yes, we must kill to stop killings. Well, if that isn't logic i don't know what is. 🙄
Agressian at a highschool, good god, imagine that? and kids being endangered in highschool? Jeeze, where did that come from? Get a clue. Guns are the least danger at school. The people who go to school are the danger, and ironically, are the ones in danger.


Let's play a little game though. We say "Hey, if a kid brings a gun to school, kill him." Now, let';s say he's your kid. Or, perhaps your brother. Any comments?
 
Tough love is never easy

If a kid brings a gun to school to show his pals and say, "hey look at this gun, isn't it cool?" that's one thing. That's just being stupid, and the worse that should happen is him getting suspended or expelled. If he gets aggressive with the gun and starts shooting it, then he's got to be taken out. Even if he's my kid brother.

What would you suggest for this kid, Cosmo? Detention? Make him write on the blackboard, "I will not open fire in school" a hundred times? You know, I've heard for years of people who are more concerned with the rights of the criminals than the rights of their victims (not to mention the victim's surviving families), but I never thought I'd actually meet one.
 
It was never about more concern for the person with t=he gun then the victoms. It's the fact that some poeple see/read/whatever, about a kid, who more then likely is either way messed up, or totally terified and doesn't know any way out, brings a gun to school, and is stopped, without killing anybody or hurting anybody, and you say "Dang, they just could have killed him."

As far as punisment goes, i certainly don't think that they should simply be let off the hook. However, i'm not so Black/White as you are. If a soldier kills a civilian during war, should they be given the chair or gas chamber?

And say that the police did kill them. would thjat stop guns from getting in the school? Hmmm.... let's think now...Has capital punishment stopped people from killing in those states? Or countries for that matter?
 
Cosmo_ac said:
It was never about more concern for the person with t=he gun then the victoms. It's the fact that some poeple see/read/whatever, about a kid, who more then likely is either way messed up, or totally terified and doesn't know any way out, brings a gun to school, and is stopped, without killing anybody or hurting anybody, and you say "Dang, they just could have killed him."

Yes, that's exactly what I say. Are you forgetting that he fired this gun in school? It's a miracle that nobody was hurt, let alone killed. I know school can be hard, and at times terrifying. I went to school during a time when guns were much easier to get hold of than today. I knew plenty of messed up kids of all kinds...nerds, freaks, greasers, jocks, you name it. And I wasn't exactly batting a thousand myself, truth be told. My point is never once did I hear of anybody bringing a gun to school, let alone firing it. You speak as if this could be explained by fear and confusion. That might explain accidently walking into the girl's room, but it sure as hell does not explain unloading a magazine at your classmates. All you see was that nobody was hurt and you think oh it wasn't that bad. But while nobody was hurt, none of us know just how close that came to not being true. If an adult went into a department store and started shooting at the walls, would you blame the cops that shot him? If I shoot at a cop but miss, do you think the judge will say "well the important thing is nobody got hurt."?

cosmo_ac said:
As far as punisment goes, i certainly don't think that they should simply be let off the hook. However, i'm not so Black/White as you are. If a soldier kills a civilian during war, should they be given the chair or gas chamber?

War is a different animal altogether, and not really relevant to this conversation. You still haven't said just what punishment you deem fitting for this poor confused misunderstood youth who just got a little scared and vented his frustration along with a classroom wall or two. Perhaps he should be made to clean the erasers after school?

cosmo_ac said:
And say that the police did kill them. would thjat stop guns from getting in the school? Hmmm.... let's think now...Has capital punishment stopped people from killing in those states? Or countries for that matter?

The goal in killing the kid is not to stop the flow of weapons. The goal is to set an example, so that the next kid that's stupid enough to consider bringing a gun to school might just remember what happened to the first kid, and think twice about it. Hmmm...Okay I'm thinking. No, I'd say the capital punishment has not completely eradicated murder. Has it had an effect? Who can say? It's logical to assume that many (though certainly not all) would-be violent crime perpetrators would be deterred by the death penalty. If they are of the sort to way out possible consequences, they just might decide it isn't worth it. And these would be the ones we never here about. There are also other reasons to support capital punishment. Overcrowded jail cells. Taxpayer's money paying for prision facilities, food, education, etc. Failure of current rehabilitation methods. Need I mention Willy Horton? Capital punishment has a 100% success rate of rehabilitation. There are no repeat offenders.
 
geez

Let me guess they will blame gun control?? geez i cant beleive people would do that, i mean c'mon punch a punching bag if your angry not shoot up a school and endager lives....
 
cosmo_ac said:

And say that the police did kill them. would thjat stop guns from getting in the school? Hmmm.... let's think now...Has capital punishment stopped people from killing in those states? Or countries for that matter?



If capital punishment were a reality it would be a real deterrent...as it stands, the criminal figures he will be able to bide his time on appeals for year after year...If everyone convicted of murder were put to death, there would be fewer murders....It would not stop murder entirely, but would reduce the # committed.
 
Punching the punching bag NEVER feels as good as punching the weasle that messed with you in the first place.

I blame the gays and Mormons.
 
Originally, i had a very long post responding to the varies comments by people. Unfortionatly, and not just a bit ironically, the second i finished, my comp freezes up do to low resources, and i loose everything. Personally i don't feel like typing every argument back up again. Too much time, and to be honest, it would just end up being a waste. Why? Simply put, i believe what i believe, and others believe what they believe. I can punch holes through your comments, just as you can punch holes through mine, and we'll both still think we're right, because that's what we belive in.
I don't want this to become a personal fight, because really it's not worth it. Whatever we post will be here for maybe a few days, and then be gone, while what we think of each other after all is said and done could last for a very long time. We're just going to have to agree to disagree on this subject.
 
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