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Senator John McCain

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>From a speech made by Capt. John S. McCain, US, (Ret) who represents Arizona in the U.S. Senate:


As you may know, I spent five and one half years as a prisoner of war during the Vietnam War. In the early years of our imprisonment, the NVA kept us in solitary confinement or two or three to a cell. In 1971 the NVA moved us from these conditions of isolation into large rooms with as many as 30 to 40 men to a room.

This was, as you can imagine, a wonderful change and was a direct result of the efforts of millions of Americans on behalf of a few hundred POWs 10,000 miles from home.

One of the men who moved into my room was a young man named Mike Christian. Mike came from a small town near Selma, Alabama. He didn't wear a pair of shoes until he was 13 years old. At 17, he enlisted in the US Navy. He later earned a commission by going to Officer Training School. Then he became a Naval Flight Officer and was shot down and captured in 1967. Mike had a keen and deep appreciation of the opportunities this country and our military provide for people who want to work and want to succeed.

As part of the change in treatment, the Vietnamese allowed some prisoners to receive packages from home. In some of these packages were handkerchiefs, scarves and other items of clothing. Mike got himself a bamboo needle. Over a period of a couple of months, he
created an American flag and sewed on the inside of his shirt. Every afternoon, before we had a bowl of soup, we would hang Mike's shirt on the wall of the cell and say the Pledge of Allegiance. I know the Pledge of Allegiance may not seem the most important part of our day now, but I can assure you that in that stark cell it was indeed the most important and meaningful event.

One day the Vietnamese searched our cell, as they did periodically, and discovered Mike's shirt with the flag sewn inside, and removed it. That evening they returned, opened the door of the cell, and for the benefit of all of us, beat Mike Christian severely for the next couple of hours. Then, they opened the door of the cell and threw him in. We cleaned him up as well as we could.

The cell in which we lived had a concrete slab in the middle on which we slept. Four naked light bulbs hung in each corner of the room. As I said, we tried to clean up Mike as well as we could. After the excitement died down, I looked in the corner of the room, and sitting there beneath that dim light bulb with a piece of red cloth, another shirt and his bamboo needle, was my friend, Mike Christian. He was sitting there with his eyes almost shut from the beating he had received,making another American flag.

He was not making the flag because it made Mike Christian feel better. He was making that flag because he knew how important it was to us to be able to Pledge our allegiance to our flag and country.

So the next time you say the Pledge of Allegiance, you must never forget the sacrifice and courage that thousands of Americans have made to build our nation and promote freedom around the world. You must remember our duty, our honor, and our country.



"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."



PASS THIS ON... and on... and on!!!!!!
 
We live in a country that's way too litigious these days. We spend so much time wondering if we can legally do something, that we don't stop and think if we should. It's hard enough that America is a nation made up of traditions from all over the world without having the few truly American traditions taken from us day after day by those with nothing better to do than test the system for thier own amusement.

Touching story, thanks for sharing it.
 
We should respect and applaud those who have protected what we have here in this country and never forget the sacrificies these people made. We should all be thankful will live in this country.
 
he would have made an excellent President... but he had too much integrity to play the political game, the way it needs to played, to win.
 
Ayla ny said:
he would have made an excellent President... but he had too much integrity to play the political game, the way it needs to played, to win.

There are a few fokls out there who would make a great President and would fall into the mold of having too much integrity to play the bullshit liars game of politics. Unfortunate and sad.

To mention Two who I think would make fine Presidents:
Oliver North
Colin Powell

Think about it before you go off on me and critisize.

TTD😎
 
I'm throwing everything I have behind Howard Dean, actually.
 
Senator McCain's story applies to all prisoners of war all over the world. They all cling desperately to some symbol of identity to keep halfway sane under horrible circumstances.

I have no beef with that senator, he seems like an upright, honest man to me, and that's something to say about any politician.

I do have my problems though, with the statement that the American soldiers suffered in Vietnam to protect their home country and values. Let's face it: They suffered for incompetent and corrupt politicians and the welfare of the weapon industry. They suffered for capitalism versus communism, for cold war, for a McCarthy and Edgar Hoover police state, for Grumman and MacDonnell and Lockheed and God knows who else. Whereas the Vietnamese (North AND South) suffered for (and from) their dictators, one supported by the US, the other supported by Russia.

And that's another fact: That, too, applies to most nations in war conditions. The people themselves rarely bear a grudge against each other, it's always the politicians!
 
I would never argue with a Veteran of any war about why he was there. regardless of the political, economic or moral reasons that got him there... I will always be grateful that there are men who feel strongly enough about protecting ‘theirs’ to lay their lives on the line.
 
For 10 years, Arizona was my Home & Senator McCain was my Senator; to tell the truth I felt at the time that I could take him or leave him. Suddenly AZ Politics erupted w/ a scandal labled the Keating 5. Five Senators, AZ's 2 McCain & Deconcini among them, were caught in the pockets of AZ Financier Chas. Keating. Slowly I watched John McCaim realise that the Money of Politics was not worth his Reputation; he became a STEAMROLLER for Campain Finance Reform. He has Won My Respect for serving his country TWICE...Once in Vietnam & Again for his Valient Fight to get the money out of The Political Arena & Opening the Doors of Government to All Of Us who will never be able to contribute $1000.00 for a BarBQ w/ a Senator just to participate in Legislation that matters. God Bless Ya & Keep Ya, John...(& THIS is form a Yellow-Dog Democrat)....Hang in there & Keep Swinging!
LightninBug:😉
 
we got into viet nam to help a catholic regime

before j.f.kenedy, america only had a few dozen special forces advisors in viet nam. that all changed when the nu's came to washington and appealed to kennedy for help, one catholic to another. since he was already being labled as soft on comunism, he complied with the request, and i corp was sent in, along with a couple div. or the army, and half our air force. so no it wasn't for the "military industrial complex", it was for continued catholic domination of a predominently budist country!

i have heard some VERY DISTURBING allogations about sen. mccane while he was a p.o.w.. i hope they are untrue.
steve
 
ShiningIce said:
Why is it it's always everybody elses fault BUT the jews?

i saw a kind of map once, where all the jewish temples are located around the world. not one was in viet nam... maybe that's why the jews aren't at fault for our stupid involvment there, huh ice?
steve
 
Re: we got into viet nam to help a catholic regime

areenactor said:
before j.f.kenedy, america only had a few dozen special forces advisors in viet nam. that all changed when the nu's came to washington and appealed to kennedy for help, one catholic to another. since he was already being labled as soft on comunism, he complied with the request, and i corp was sent in, along with a couple div. or the army, and half our air force. so no it wasn't for the "military industrial complex", it was for continued catholic domination of a predominently budist country!
Oh come on, do you really believe that nonsense? Give me a break! According to this, the Catholics instigated the predominantly Protestant USA to start a war with a communist (=atheist) country over a Buddhist country (South Vietnam)? So the whole Cold War thingy was actually a religious crusade, including the Domino Theory and the Roll-Back-Policy? Probably the Korea War and the Cuba Crisis as well?

Sorry, this is just ridiculous! You’re certainly entitled to your own opinions, but that one doesn’t give your history knowledge any credit.
 
Re: Re: we got into viet nam to help a catholic regime

Haltickling said:
Oh come on, do you really believe that nonsense? Give me a break! According to this, the Catholics instigated the predominantly Protestant USA to start a war with a communist (=atheist) country over a Buddhist country (South Vietnam)? So the whole Cold War thingy was actually a religious crusade, including the Domino Theory and the Roll-Back-Policy? Probably the Korea War and the Cuba Crisis as well?

Sorry, this is just ridiculous! You’re certainly entitled to your own opinions, but that one doesn’t give your history knowledge any credit.

you are welcome to believe anything you'd like to hal. i'll stick with the facts. just remember, we are talking about american history, not german history, so i do think i may be a leg up on you.
steve
 
Okay, in that case, I'd like to hear about your fellow Americans' opinion on the topic "Start of the Vietnam War". Please chime in, folks, your knowledge is needed! Anyone to agree with areenactor's view here? Thanks.
 
Haltickling said:
Okay, in that case, I'd like to hear about your fellow Americans' opinion on the topic "Start of the Vietnam War". Please chime in, folks, your knowledge is needed! Anyone to agree with areenactor's view here? Thanks.

oh god hal, this gave me a good laugh!
you're asking for opinions from people, whose kids score lower in history than the rest of the industrial world. i know we have some significant exceptions, but by-and-large, history is not the forte' of this group.
steve
 
i am sickened to sin by divisiveness.

John McCain...dont know him, although apparently i am obligated, nay, required to (thanks hegemonists.)

a great man? a patriot? perhaps. i cannot judge. i believe he makes a mistake by blaming the NVA for all of his troubles. it was not the entire army that locked him up. i sympathise with suffering. it seems one-sided. how are we to know that the soldier in question did not see his loved ones die before him, shot by a smiling american? could that not be why? you ask for first cause. i cannot oblige. blame the jews? jesu corpus christi!!! forget labels such as that. if we are to live harmoniously then we must regard ourselves as beings, not as ideals, races, armies, religions, etc. i do not however agree that the soldiers were correct in going. i have sympathy for them, despite the fact they were killing the "gooks" and the "chinks". very PC indeed (and PC is a grevious sin). is it possible that the Vietnamese were likewise deluded? sigh...buddhism. a great idea. why did they have to construct this mindless belief structure over a great idea? same with any religion. we should not believe in anything anymore, for belief is faith, and faith denies proof. but knowledge can be soulful. an idea can fill the geist to brimming!

thus spake Zarathustra.🙄
 
A man is not worth listening to anymore...

once he plays that anti-semitism card.

ShiningIce said:
Why is it it's always everybody elses fault BUT the jews?
and...
I'm sure there were a few Jewish soldiers in the war...
 
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