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Should Prostitution be Legalized?
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Iggy pop said:
True. I think though that it's only an issue of morality if you're religious. (Well, mostly anyway.) Given that millions of people aren't, or subscribe to something other than religion which doesn't repress sexuality, I think it needs to be catered to.
MrMacphisto
""TKPervert, I have to agree that prostitution is legal in D.C., but both Democrats and Republicans are guilty of it. ""
Oh, absolutely true. To get to the pinnacle in politics, you have to sell yourself (prostitution), and as a result of selling yourself you're owned (special interests). All (most?) political partys do it.
""As for prostitution outside of the political pork barrel, why not legalize it? ""
I have no problem with that, it wouldn't bother me more than just a little to see prostitution legalized across the USA.
Drugs is a different story, for a different thread.
""TKPervert, I have to agree that prostitution is legal in D.C., but both Democrats and Republicans are guilty of it. ""
Oh, absolutely true. To get to the pinnacle in politics, you have to sell yourself (prostitution), and as a result of selling yourself you're owned (special interests). All (most?) political partys do it.
""As for prostitution outside of the political pork barrel, why not legalize it? ""
I have no problem with that, it wouldn't bother me more than just a little to see prostitution legalized across the USA.
Drugs is a different story, for a different thread.
Another female viewpoint...
My frist thought is that not many girls in our world today grow up saying, "I want to be a hooker" or "I want to be a *****" or "I want to be paid for sexual favors." There are reasons for that, no? LOL Sexuality is something that is age dependent. One's labido doesn't kick into action until a certain age. Then you have to question if an individual has the forethought to make such a life decision with possibly little to no experience and be told that it's OK and to just go for it. As much as you think people who are against legalized prostitution might be banging the Bible, just imagine the arguments if you have am 18 year old virgin whose parents never uttered the word "sex" in the home...and all of a sudden she picks a legal viable career as a *****. Talk about the morality police coming out...from ALL sides!
Next. As much as we may condone an individual's doing as they please...and trust me...I like to do just as I please...there are issues of the inevitable "oopses." The only 100% effective form of birth control is a hysterectomy or abstinence. Uhmmm...one prevents the occupation and the other is a horrendous surgery that could kill you just for having it. LOL....so, then you open the can of worms of liability and blame if there is an illness or a baby. Is the state willing to back those results under workman's comp law? LOL
Aside from those, we are part of a society that judges people based on a few very specific criteria. Looks, cleanliness, reputation, etc. How many of you knew someone who was the "slut?" As far as the issues of self image and self worth...can you imagine the therapy bills for the girl who had nothing more to offer the world than her role as a professionl "slut?" Sheesh! There are relativly few people who are willing to put "call girl" on a resume. "And when you come to our company, what type of skills are you bringing with you?" ROFL!
Then there is the impact on relationships. "Hi Dad, this is Betty. We go to college together and I think she might be the one. She's already in the workforce too! Yeah, she's really special, has a good paying job. She's a professional. What? You already met? Where?"
"Dear, I'm just heading out to fuck the hooker at the Motel 6. Can I pick up some milk for you while I'm out? What? It's not illegal. It can't be bad." Come on...you know what I mean. LOL It would happen. More than once. 😛
Those are just the first couple that come to mind.
I personally say that legalization might alleviate some problems...like jail terms and men who can't get their rocks off by watching porn. BUT - in enchange, you create a whole new batch of difficulty.
Let's not forget the reversal where the guys are handing out their cards. Talk about the bar competition. 😛
There are alternatives. Always alternatives. They just require alot more effort than spreading your legs. Anyway, I say leave it how it is. I mean, c'mon... if you really want to be a hooker, there are places you can go sell your body where you won't wind up in jail. Go there. Even heaven has a place for nymphomaniacs.
Joby, who has zero patience with people who settle for less.
My frist thought is that not many girls in our world today grow up saying, "I want to be a hooker" or "I want to be a *****" or "I want to be paid for sexual favors." There are reasons for that, no? LOL Sexuality is something that is age dependent. One's labido doesn't kick into action until a certain age. Then you have to question if an individual has the forethought to make such a life decision with possibly little to no experience and be told that it's OK and to just go for it. As much as you think people who are against legalized prostitution might be banging the Bible, just imagine the arguments if you have am 18 year old virgin whose parents never uttered the word "sex" in the home...and all of a sudden she picks a legal viable career as a *****. Talk about the morality police coming out...from ALL sides!
Next. As much as we may condone an individual's doing as they please...and trust me...I like to do just as I please...there are issues of the inevitable "oopses." The only 100% effective form of birth control is a hysterectomy or abstinence. Uhmmm...one prevents the occupation and the other is a horrendous surgery that could kill you just for having it. LOL....so, then you open the can of worms of liability and blame if there is an illness or a baby. Is the state willing to back those results under workman's comp law? LOL
Aside from those, we are part of a society that judges people based on a few very specific criteria. Looks, cleanliness, reputation, etc. How many of you knew someone who was the "slut?" As far as the issues of self image and self worth...can you imagine the therapy bills for the girl who had nothing more to offer the world than her role as a professionl "slut?" Sheesh! There are relativly few people who are willing to put "call girl" on a resume. "And when you come to our company, what type of skills are you bringing with you?" ROFL!
Then there is the impact on relationships. "Hi Dad, this is Betty. We go to college together and I think she might be the one. She's already in the workforce too! Yeah, she's really special, has a good paying job. She's a professional. What? You already met? Where?"
"Dear, I'm just heading out to fuck the hooker at the Motel 6. Can I pick up some milk for you while I'm out? What? It's not illegal. It can't be bad." Come on...you know what I mean. LOL It would happen. More than once. 😛
Those are just the first couple that come to mind.
I personally say that legalization might alleviate some problems...like jail terms and men who can't get their rocks off by watching porn. BUT - in enchange, you create a whole new batch of difficulty.
Let's not forget the reversal where the guys are handing out their cards. Talk about the bar competition. 😛
There are alternatives. Always alternatives. They just require alot more effort than spreading your legs. Anyway, I say leave it how it is. I mean, c'mon... if you really want to be a hooker, there are places you can go sell your body where you won't wind up in jail. Go there. Even heaven has a place for nymphomaniacs.
Joby, who has zero patience with people who settle for less.
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As comedian Doug Stanhope once said:
"You really don't need to punish people for vices. The punishment is built in right with the vice." He then described how he paid $50 to a hooker for a blowjob and found when it was done that it was a guy. Talk about your punishment.
I think I am being silly again. Is being silly a vice?
"You really don't need to punish people for vices. The punishment is built in right with the vice." He then described how he paid $50 to a hooker for a blowjob and found when it was done that it was a guy. Talk about your punishment.
I think I am being silly again. Is being silly a vice?
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Wow a surprising amount of people here are pro-legalization.
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Morally I disagree with it, however I don't think people should be told what to do with there bodies as long as they are not harming anyone else.
killedbyanangel said:
That goes for my attitude on abortion. (Which is a whole other VERY controversial thread, with a few different lead-ups.)
This whole debate comes down to people taking reponsibility for their own lives, without expecting the state or the thought police to do it for them. Joby bought up a few points that need to be addressed, but I certainly never meant to imply that should'nt in the first place. Given enough time and enough broad-mindedness, I think the problems could be solved. The Germans certainly don't seem to suffer from an epidemic of problems because of it.
Hal mein freund, würden Sie mich fördern, um nach Deutschland zu kommen? 😀
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Joby, I just read your point of view. As I said earlier in this thread, most of the girls finally land in the red light district because of problems they have experienced before: Runaways from deteriorated families, often they already have a baby with 15 or 16 and the "father" ran away when he heard about the pregnancy, and a thousand other reasons.
Now for these girls, a life as a prostitute is often a lot better than the life they knew before. If prostitution is criminalized, she'll probably fall into the hands of a pimp, and everything gets even worse.
But none of the reasons you've mentioned actually justifies the criminalization, they show up personal problems which will exist whether prostitution gets legalized or not. No husband will tell his wife he's going to visit a brothel, and no young man who isn't already familiar with the shadow world of prostitution will consider a marriage with a prostitute.
There are very few "oopses" when a prostitute always insists on a condome, which also protects her from AIDS and other diseases which have gotten prostitution most of its ill reputation. And yes, IF there should happen such an "oops", the child has the same rights as every other child born here, and if necessary, the state WILL support her.
Additionally, legalized prostitution allows the *****s to have their own organizations, some of which help their colleagues with problems. They even help her to find a regular job, if they want to leave prostitution.
And again, as I said before, I'm fully aware that legalizing prostitution will not solve all the problems, but it will certainly help coping with them.
Oh, and Jim: expect my e-mail... 😉
Now for these girls, a life as a prostitute is often a lot better than the life they knew before. If prostitution is criminalized, she'll probably fall into the hands of a pimp, and everything gets even worse.
But none of the reasons you've mentioned actually justifies the criminalization, they show up personal problems which will exist whether prostitution gets legalized or not. No husband will tell his wife he's going to visit a brothel, and no young man who isn't already familiar with the shadow world of prostitution will consider a marriage with a prostitute.
There are very few "oopses" when a prostitute always insists on a condome, which also protects her from AIDS and other diseases which have gotten prostitution most of its ill reputation. And yes, IF there should happen such an "oops", the child has the same rights as every other child born here, and if necessary, the state WILL support her.
Additionally, legalized prostitution allows the *****s to have their own organizations, some of which help their colleagues with problems. They even help her to find a regular job, if they want to leave prostitution.
And again, as I said before, I'm fully aware that legalizing prostitution will not solve all the problems, but it will certainly help coping with them.
Oh, and Jim: expect my e-mail... 😉
😛 It's really sweet to see all you guys being so concerend with the moral, fiscal, and physical well being of the sex-workers. *giggles* I understand your points of view Hal (and others). Frankly, I say do whatever works. As a whole, I just think there are better things to do than to waste time and energy dealing with hookers when they've managed to maintain their workforce for a couple thousand years...lol Seems it's just making it easier on the men who use them than making it better for the females.
Personally, I realy don't care. It just seems like the trade off of one set of problems for another wouldn't be worth all the trouble involved in legalizing it. *shrug*
Tickle Hookers...lol Sounds like a Cinemax special! "Now, Mr. Jim, if you'll just walk with Candy to the last room on the right, your girl is just changing the sheets from the last customer. She'll be right with you. She's ticklish...a little on the used side, but ticklish."
Eeew! ICKY-ICKY! BLECH! Sorry, but I just can't get aroused at the thought of some slimy, multiple partner infested love chickie.
Joby
Personally, I realy don't care. It just seems like the trade off of one set of problems for another wouldn't be worth all the trouble involved in legalizing it. *shrug*
Tickle Hookers...lol Sounds like a Cinemax special! "Now, Mr. Jim, if you'll just walk with Candy to the last room on the right, your girl is just changing the sheets from the last customer. She'll be right with you. She's ticklish...a little on the used side, but ticklish."
Eeew! ICKY-ICKY! BLECH! Sorry, but I just can't get aroused at the thought of some slimy, multiple partner infested love chickie.
Joby
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Thanks, Joby. I think I understand what you mean (as much as any man can ever understand a woman...).
Just one thing: The slime and the unclean image of prostitutes are usually a by-effect of being driven into illegality. I've tickled quite a few pros in BDSM studios, and they are sticklers for tidiness and hygiene. Apart from that, I found many extremely ticklish and extremely attractive girls in these circles; girls that I wouldn't have dreamed of being anything else than fashion models. Maybe you'd like an example: Read my "Lara" story in the TMF Archive. It's about a true experience in a BDSM studio (which also cater for sex needs here).
Just one thing: The slime and the unclean image of prostitutes are usually a by-effect of being driven into illegality. I've tickled quite a few pros in BDSM studios, and they are sticklers for tidiness and hygiene. Apart from that, I found many extremely ticklish and extremely attractive girls in these circles; girls that I wouldn't have dreamed of being anything else than fashion models. Maybe you'd like an example: Read my "Lara" story in the TMF Archive. It's about a true experience in a BDSM studio (which also cater for sex needs here).
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🙂 Factually, I can see that as long as there will be a demand for anonymous sex it shall be supplied by "Female/Male Servicers" and as long as it will be a part of society "Servicers" should be required for their health and others to check for STDs and clean up themselves in other regards. Perhaps if they have to give a good chunk of their earnings to the government then it will be a incentive to not become one. Just maybe abusive Johns will get arrested and have to pay an embarrasing fine or get thrown in jail, once "servicing" becomes a legit profession.
I also agree that 2 consenting adults can have anonymous sex if they both want it. Unfortunately, in Canada and probably around the world, atleast in North America) more and more children under the age of adulthood (18 or 21) are becoming "servicers" and at those ages they are in over there head, physically, mentally, emotionally, and spiritually. 🙂
I also agree that 2 consenting adults can have anonymous sex if they both want it. Unfortunately, in Canada and probably around the world, atleast in North America) more and more children under the age of adulthood (18 or 21) are becoming "servicers" and at those ages they are in over there head, physically, mentally, emotionally, and spiritually. 🙂
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Hi there, thought I'd chime in:
"As a whole, I just think there are better things to do than to waste time and energy dealing with hookers when they've managed to maintain their workforce for a couple thousand years...lol Seems it's just making it easier on the men who use them than making it better for the females."
I say make it easier for both. As long as it's still illegal, it's not a waste of time or energy to those involved. If they ever make filming tickling videos illegal you'll hear a bunch of us screaming across the globe, though many wouldn't care.
And trust me, it would make it easier for the females as well. I have several friends who are sex workers, called 'escorts' in these parts. I'm always amused when reading about how they 'had nothing else to turn to and had to do it for the money', since my friends have college degrees and other skills. They're sex workers primarily because they love sex with no strings attached, with the excellent pay being a lovely bonus. Their bodies belong to them, and as adults they shouldn't be penalized by the government for using those bodies to earn a living anymore than massage therapists or exotic dancers. One may question why I place massage in the same category as sex; yes I realize the big differences, but you're still using your physical skills to give another physical pleasure. Who cares whether you're rubbing a penis or shoulder to give ecstacy and satisfaction?
"Personally, I realy don't care. It just seems like the trade off of one set of problems for another wouldn't be worth all the trouble involved in legalizing it. *shrug*"
Again, it would be very worth it to those involved. I'd love for my friends to not have to worry about undercover cops and such, and just do what they love without that hanging over their heads.
"Tickle Hookers...lol Sounds like a Cinemax special! "Now, Mr. Jim, if you'll just walk with Candy to the last room on the right, your girl is just changing the sheets from the last customer. She'll be right with you. She's ticklish...a little on the used side, but ticklish."
Eeew! ICKY-ICKY! BLECH! Sorry, but I just can't get aroused at the thought of some slimy, multiple partner infested love chickie. "
Unless you're a virgin we're ALL a little on the used side (g). The cure for sliminess is a simple shower and freshening-up between bouts, along with new sheets and such. Many folks out there have more than one sexual partner in their lives without being 'infested' with anything, and from what my sex-worker friends tell me they work hard at making each encounter special for each client; that includes everything being fresh and ready just for him. Since many people want sex without the relationship, I imagine that occasionally going to a sweet lady and getting exactly what you want in a pleasant setting can be just what they needed. And I see nothing wrong with being well paid for excellent service.
I've always been annoyed at intercourse and ejaculation being toted as the end-all be-all of sex; there is sooooo much more to it than that, depending on who you are. Seriously, if a foot-fetishist gets his most sexual satisfaction from his time with the little pedicurist he sees twice per month, should she go to prison? Of course not. But the woman who rubs other parts is a criminal. It's not right.
I suspect the reason we can get uncomfortable with this is because doing it for money seems to make it...pedestrian. Less special and intimate than we've been taught it should be. Personally I say it can be both, like the difference between a rubdown from your personal trainer and one from your spouse. Sex should be what YOU make it, not Washington.
Bella
"As a whole, I just think there are better things to do than to waste time and energy dealing with hookers when they've managed to maintain their workforce for a couple thousand years...lol Seems it's just making it easier on the men who use them than making it better for the females."
I say make it easier for both. As long as it's still illegal, it's not a waste of time or energy to those involved. If they ever make filming tickling videos illegal you'll hear a bunch of us screaming across the globe, though many wouldn't care.
And trust me, it would make it easier for the females as well. I have several friends who are sex workers, called 'escorts' in these parts. I'm always amused when reading about how they 'had nothing else to turn to and had to do it for the money', since my friends have college degrees and other skills. They're sex workers primarily because they love sex with no strings attached, with the excellent pay being a lovely bonus. Their bodies belong to them, and as adults they shouldn't be penalized by the government for using those bodies to earn a living anymore than massage therapists or exotic dancers. One may question why I place massage in the same category as sex; yes I realize the big differences, but you're still using your physical skills to give another physical pleasure. Who cares whether you're rubbing a penis or shoulder to give ecstacy and satisfaction?
"Personally, I realy don't care. It just seems like the trade off of one set of problems for another wouldn't be worth all the trouble involved in legalizing it. *shrug*"
Again, it would be very worth it to those involved. I'd love for my friends to not have to worry about undercover cops and such, and just do what they love without that hanging over their heads.
"Tickle Hookers...lol Sounds like a Cinemax special! "Now, Mr. Jim, if you'll just walk with Candy to the last room on the right, your girl is just changing the sheets from the last customer. She'll be right with you. She's ticklish...a little on the used side, but ticklish."
Eeew! ICKY-ICKY! BLECH! Sorry, but I just can't get aroused at the thought of some slimy, multiple partner infested love chickie.
" Unless you're a virgin we're ALL a little on the used side (g). The cure for sliminess is a simple shower and freshening-up between bouts, along with new sheets and such. Many folks out there have more than one sexual partner in their lives without being 'infested' with anything, and from what my sex-worker friends tell me they work hard at making each encounter special for each client; that includes everything being fresh and ready just for him. Since many people want sex without the relationship, I imagine that occasionally going to a sweet lady and getting exactly what you want in a pleasant setting can be just what they needed. And I see nothing wrong with being well paid for excellent service.
I've always been annoyed at intercourse and ejaculation being toted as the end-all be-all of sex; there is sooooo much more to it than that, depending on who you are. Seriously, if a foot-fetishist gets his most sexual satisfaction from his time with the little pedicurist he sees twice per month, should she go to prison? Of course not. But the woman who rubs other parts is a criminal. It's not right.
I suspect the reason we can get uncomfortable with this is because doing it for money seems to make it...pedestrian. Less special and intimate than we've been taught it should be. Personally I say it can be both, like the difference between a rubdown from your personal trainer and one from your spouse. Sex should be what YOU make it, not Washington.
Bella
JoBelle said:
There are better things to do, but I don't think this should be ignored just because of that. There were better things to do than watch Dubya put on a rubber Al Gore mask during the campaign too.
IT may be easier on the men, but we are genuinely concerned with ALL parties in the business. Steve and I were talking in the non-con thread about girls working who have been raped, abused and used from every conceivable angle but they don't come to us because they think we won't help them. They believe they're not protected by the law because of what they do for a living.
I dunno about America but here, whenever a girl is in a station for ANY reason (not just being arrested) she's usually given a wodge of leaflet explaining that we DO care about the shit that happens to them. Legalising and regulating the industry can only be a good thing for their sakes.
I think personally that the things it would solve are a lot more traumatic to deal with than the problems it would create.JoBelle said:
JoBelle said:Tickle Hookers...lol Sounds like a Cinemax special! "Now, Mr. Jim, if you'll just walk with Candy to the last room on the right, your girl is just changing the sheets from the last customer. She'll be right with you. She's ticklish...a little on the used side, but ticklish."
Eeew! ICKY-ICKY! BLECH! Sorry, but I just can't get aroused at the thought of some slimy, multiple partner infested love chickie.
If I were to hire a hooker I would'nt go anywhere near one that didn't use a jimmy-hat EVERY time she did business. Also I imagine that girls actually wash between clients. Street hooker often offer a 20 quid knee-trembler up a dark alley (ooooooohhhhh matron!!!!) and then five minutes later, some other guy is stirring the suet pudding. Not an appeasing though!
But high class girls (and legalisation would transform a lot more of them into such) don't have to fit in as many as they can in one night, because the pay is better than 20 quid a trick. This means that nicities like washing and de-sludgeing (high-class girls are also a lot more likely to insist on a condom) take away some of the less happy aspects. Another advantage of legitimising it. IN a lot of minds, there wil always be something slightly "icky" about it; but it would drag the business out of the gutter and make it a lot safer for all concerned.
And incidentally missy!!! How come you assosciate MY name with using a prossie, hmmmmmmmm?
Anyoe would think I had a reputation around these parts.I now totally understands that film, Signs with Mel Gibson. Every little annoying thing happens for a reason. When I tried to make my post earlier the Forum unexplainedly went down and I could'nt post it. By the time I got it posted out Bella had already posted her much more effective reply.
Coming as it did, before mine, it was a lot more effective. Kudos to you Bella. 🙂
Coming as it did, before mine, it was a lot more effective. Kudos to you Bella. 🙂
Whoa, Bella!
Mighty fine how you took my whole post and disagreed with it line by line. That's a bit laborious for me, but whatever works for ya. 😉
Unlike you, I don't have friends who are "escorts." I guess it's admirable that your friends that have "college degrees and other skills" would choose to be prostitutes. I suppose it makes sense to some people that an intelligent man or woman would choose to engage in such behavior. I don't understand such lifestyle choices, but I'll accept your word on it. As a rule, I don't tend to associate with people like that. There is a reason prostitutes have the "rep" they have. I didn't make it. LOL It was set in stone long before I was born. So, you can "Rah Rah" the hooker profession all ya like. Me? I'll pass. It doesn't fit in with my particular chosen lifestyle.
I agree the government shouldn't dictate what goes on behind closed doors of consenting adults. God knows there are actions I choose that wouldn't fit the norm. And as such, I accept he social stigma that comes along with those aspects. As an adult fully satisfied in my choice of partner and the activities that come with that partner, I guess it's a bit befuddling to me that prostitution exists. I've never been in the position where I couldn't get what I wanted without turning to a cash transaction...lol Forgive my naiveté on the subject. 🙄
I was simply stating my opinion that legalizing prostitution makes no difference to ME! I'm not out to block anyone from reaching life's best. I'm just saying that I don't have a stake in it. I feel some of my reasons , though exaggerated, were fair. Indeed, we are all used. Some of us have obviously been passed around more often than others though. My lifestyle doesn't suit that behavior. But, that's part of what makes me who I am. That being said, I will support the things I think are worth my energy. Legalizing prostitution isn't one of them.
So, if it ever WERE legal everywhere, how would y'all envision the profession and the laws?
Joby
Mighty fine how you took my whole post and disagreed with it line by line. That's a bit laborious for me, but whatever works for ya. 😉
Unlike you, I don't have friends who are "escorts." I guess it's admirable that your friends that have "college degrees and other skills" would choose to be prostitutes. I suppose it makes sense to some people that an intelligent man or woman would choose to engage in such behavior. I don't understand such lifestyle choices, but I'll accept your word on it. As a rule, I don't tend to associate with people like that. There is a reason prostitutes have the "rep" they have. I didn't make it. LOL It was set in stone long before I was born. So, you can "Rah Rah" the hooker profession all ya like. Me? I'll pass. It doesn't fit in with my particular chosen lifestyle.
I agree the government shouldn't dictate what goes on behind closed doors of consenting adults. God knows there are actions I choose that wouldn't fit the norm. And as such, I accept he social stigma that comes along with those aspects. As an adult fully satisfied in my choice of partner and the activities that come with that partner, I guess it's a bit befuddling to me that prostitution exists. I've never been in the position where I couldn't get what I wanted without turning to a cash transaction...lol Forgive my naiveté on the subject. 🙄
I was simply stating my opinion that legalizing prostitution makes no difference to ME! I'm not out to block anyone from reaching life's best. I'm just saying that I don't have a stake in it. I feel some of my reasons , though exaggerated, were fair. Indeed, we are all used. Some of us have obviously been passed around more often than others though. My lifestyle doesn't suit that behavior. But, that's part of what makes me who I am. That being said, I will support the things I think are worth my energy. Legalizing prostitution isn't one of them.
So, if it ever WERE legal everywhere, how would y'all envision the profession and the laws?
Joby
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"Mighty fine how you took my whole post and disagreed with it line by line. That's a bit laborious for me, but whatever works for ya. 😉"
Whoa, Joby!
Um, copying and pasting isn't really laborious, just a few finger taps and it's done. Take it as a compliment-your words were so clear and precise that I needed most of them to properly respond 🙂.
"Unlike you, I don't have friends who are "escorts." I guess it's admirable that your friends that have "college degrees and other skills" would choose to be prostitutes."
That's ok, a lot of professions out there don't make sense til you talk with folks who actually do it. Doesn't mean I'd do it, but I understand it better.
"I suppose it makes sense to some people that an intelligent man or woman would choose to engage in such behavior. I don't understand such lifestyle choices, but I'll accept your word on it."
Intelligent is right: they do something the truly enjoy and make really good money doing it. Can't argue with that, especially with an adult film producer/performer like me <g>.
"As a rule, I don't tend to associate with people like that. There is a reason prostitutes have the "rep" they have. I didn't make it. LOL It was set in stone long before I was born. So, you can "Rah Rah" the hooker profession all ya like. Me? I'll pass. It doesn't fit in with my particular chosen lifestyle."
Wait now, I don't mean to imply anyone should 'rah-rah' it if they have issue with it. People who don't like it don't have to do it. But if I want to, I should be allowed to, that's all. Hell, I know lawyers who are far bigger ho's than any escort you'll meet but that's legal... (g).
Um, what do you mean by 'people like that?' Just curious.
As for them having their 'rep', that's because people love to put down other people and cause misery. Always have. Not too long ago, I couldn't have married my hubby because we're different colors. Thank goodness those who came before me stood up for what they wanted despite risking a reputation or worse. Different situation? Perhaps, but many MANY people think mixing races is morally wrong, and wouldn't want to associate with "people like that." If they found out how I feel about tickling they'd throw holy water and run screaming. Boggles the mind, really...
Someone once said that "a nymphomaniac is just someone who likes sex more than you do." There's a lot of truth to that. If people would just relax about what their neighbors are doing on their own time there'd be way less worry over 'reps'.
"I agree the government shouldn't dictate what goes on behind closed doors of consenting adults. God knows there are actions I choose that wouldn't fit the norm. And as such, I accept he social stigma that comes along with those aspects."
I'm a feisty brat, I never accept stigmas 🙂. Accepting them keeps them going, y'know? We're all individuals and should be treated as such, rather than lumped together that way.
"As an adult fully satisfied in my choice of partner and the activities that come with that partner, I guess it's a bit befuddling to me that prostitution exists. I've never been in the position where I couldn't get what I wanted without turning to a cash transaction...lol Forgive my naiveté on the subject. 🙄"
I can see what you're saying, and frankly I've never needed to go to a prostitute either. Still, I pay for my hairstyle, my nails, my videos, and many other services just because they make me happy. Many look at sex the same way and I can understand where they're comin' from. It doesn't suit my lifestyle either as a wife and mama, but I still support it as suitable for other adults. I would hope they would support my right to attend BDSM events and the like, which *is* a part of my lifestyle that some would prevent if they could.
"So, if it ever WERE legal everywhere, how would y'all envision the profession and the laws?"
I'd have to look at the places where it's already legal and see how they do it, and get back to you. I fully believe it can be done, though.
Thanks Joby, excellent discussion! :-D
Bella
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Whoa, Joby!
Um, copying and pasting isn't really laborious, just a few finger taps and it's done. Take it as a compliment-your words were so clear and precise that I needed most of them to properly respond 🙂.
"Unlike you, I don't have friends who are "escorts." I guess it's admirable that your friends that have "college degrees and other skills" would choose to be prostitutes."
That's ok, a lot of professions out there don't make sense til you talk with folks who actually do it. Doesn't mean I'd do it, but I understand it better.
"I suppose it makes sense to some people that an intelligent man or woman would choose to engage in such behavior. I don't understand such lifestyle choices, but I'll accept your word on it."
Intelligent is right: they do something the truly enjoy and make really good money doing it. Can't argue with that, especially with an adult film producer/performer like me <g>.
"As a rule, I don't tend to associate with people like that. There is a reason prostitutes have the "rep" they have. I didn't make it. LOL It was set in stone long before I was born. So, you can "Rah Rah" the hooker profession all ya like. Me? I'll pass. It doesn't fit in with my particular chosen lifestyle."
Wait now, I don't mean to imply anyone should 'rah-rah' it if they have issue with it. People who don't like it don't have to do it. But if I want to, I should be allowed to, that's all. Hell, I know lawyers who are far bigger ho's than any escort you'll meet but that's legal... (g).
Um, what do you mean by 'people like that?' Just curious.
As for them having their 'rep', that's because people love to put down other people and cause misery. Always have. Not too long ago, I couldn't have married my hubby because we're different colors. Thank goodness those who came before me stood up for what they wanted despite risking a reputation or worse. Different situation? Perhaps, but many MANY people think mixing races is morally wrong, and wouldn't want to associate with "people like that." If they found out how I feel about tickling they'd throw holy water and run screaming. Boggles the mind, really...
Someone once said that "a nymphomaniac is just someone who likes sex more than you do." There's a lot of truth to that. If people would just relax about what their neighbors are doing on their own time there'd be way less worry over 'reps'.
"I agree the government shouldn't dictate what goes on behind closed doors of consenting adults. God knows there are actions I choose that wouldn't fit the norm. And as such, I accept he social stigma that comes along with those aspects."
I'm a feisty brat, I never accept stigmas 🙂. Accepting them keeps them going, y'know? We're all individuals and should be treated as such, rather than lumped together that way.
"As an adult fully satisfied in my choice of partner and the activities that come with that partner, I guess it's a bit befuddling to me that prostitution exists. I've never been in the position where I couldn't get what I wanted without turning to a cash transaction...lol Forgive my naiveté on the subject. 🙄"
I can see what you're saying, and frankly I've never needed to go to a prostitute either. Still, I pay for my hairstyle, my nails, my videos, and many other services just because they make me happy. Many look at sex the same way and I can understand where they're comin' from. It doesn't suit my lifestyle either as a wife and mama, but I still support it as suitable for other adults. I would hope they would support my right to attend BDSM events and the like, which *is* a part of my lifestyle that some would prevent if they could.
"So, if it ever WERE legal everywhere, how would y'all envision the profession and the laws?"
I'd have to look at the places where it's already legal and see how they do it, and get back to you. I fully believe it can be done, though.
Thanks Joby, excellent discussion! :-D
Bella
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Um, copying and pasting isn't really laborious, just a few finger taps and it's done. Take it as a compliment-your words were so clear and precise that I needed most of them to properly respond 🙂."
Lookie, cookie, I can do it too. I meant laborious in addressing every single comment. I generally don't comment on everything in someone's post...I hit a topic here and there.
That's ok, a lot of professions out there don't make sense til you talk with folks who actually do it. Doesn't mean I'd do it, but I understand it better.
As a somewhat educated adult myself, I tend to think I can understand from anothers' point of view, however, that won't make it any more palatable to me.
Intelligent is right: they do something the truly enjoy and make really good money doing it. Can't argue with that, especially with an adult film producer/performer like me .
Like, I said, I can appreciate the signifigance it may hold for you, however, it's not my style. I get my jollies (so to speak) in other ways.
Wait now, I don't mean to imply anyone should 'rah-rah' it if they have issue with it. People who don't like it don't have to do it. But if I want to, I should be allowed to, that's all. Hell, I know lawyers who are far bigger ho's than any escort you'll meet but that's legal... (g).
Yes, you're not alone in thinking that there is more than one way to screw a John. I dont' have a problem with making prostitution legal. Actually, I'm sure there would be positive aspects. I'm just not convinced that the energies spent would be worth it given that it would open a whole other can of worms. As it's not something of value to me I likely would take the opposing side in the "don't waste time" column of things. Ya see?
Um, what do you mean by 'people like that?' Just curious.
In this particular conversation, I mean people who would choose to use something that I deam as a personal and intimate act as something to hustle a buck. That's just my current standing on it. I tie sexual acts to the mental and spiritual. I don't choose to seperate the two, thusly no-strings-attached sexual acts for cash kinda rub me wrong. Hence those people are not my cuppa tea. It wasn't "those people" said in the gasping-well-I-nevah sort of voice.
As for them having their 'rep', that's because people love to put down other people and cause misery. Always have. Not too long ago, I couldn't have married my hubby because we're different colors. Thank goodness those who came before me stood up for what they wanted despite risking a reputation or worse. Different situation? Perhaps, but many MANY people think mixing races is morally wrong, and wouldn't want to associate with "people like that." If they found out how I feel about tickling they'd throw holy water and run screaming. Boggles the mind, really...
I agree in the mind boggling opinions. What's so funny about this conversation is that anyone who knows me would tell you that I have a mind too open about things most people would become offended by. It doesn't translate well onscreen I'm sure as I feel alot of the time that people view me as seriously conservative in a "you need therapy" kinda way. I think this particular topic just rubs against my grain because it takes something I view as personal and exchanges it for the all mighty dollar bill. I have difficulty swallowing the mixture of sex and money because even when I'm "just having sex" it still contains emotion. And she's ramblin'.......😛
Someone once said that "a nymphomaniac is just someone who likes sex more than you do." There's a lot of truth to that. If people would just relax about what their neighbors are doing on their own time there'd be way less worry over 'reps'.
Reps are a reality in a society. It's what keeps us from going from "keep your nose out of my bedroom" to "keep your nose out of my basement full of dead bodies." Extreme, yes...but it's the little things that keep the big things in check - in my opinion anyway.
I'm a feisty brat, I never accept stigmas 🙂. Accepting them keeps them going, y'know? We're all individuals and should be treated as such, rather than lumped together that way.
Accept can mean more than one thing. In my case it means that it's not worth the trouble to convince someone that my choice should be ok with them. It's my business and I accept their view as theirs. Although I may not like it, it's not my mind that needs to change. I "accept" it and I live my life according to my selfset bounderies. For example, if I want to tie up my friend and torment the hell out of him while my hubby is at home watching the game with the guys, then I will. No harm no foul if the involved persons are ok with it. Mutally fulfilling I guess you could say. If I were out taking money for this, to me that would be wrong. That might not make sense to you,but I'll have to accept it. 😉
I can see what you're saying, and frankly I've never needed to go to a prostitute either. Still, I pay for my hairstyle, my nails, my videos, and many other services just because they make me happy. Many look at sex the same way and I can understand where they're comin' from. It doesn't suit my lifestyle either as a wife and mama, but I still support it as suitable for other adults. I would hope they would support my right to attend BDSM events and the like, which *is* a part of my lifestyle that some would prevent if they could.
Well, for the most part, I'd have to agree with all of this this. I can happily accept that someone chooses this as their lifestyle. If you want to exchange sexual acts for cash, then by all means, please do so. Just don't expect me to think very highly of ya for it. Don't expect me to be happy to shell out my energy "tax money" to make it easy for you to do something that goes against my grain.
Thanks Joby, excellent discussion! :-D
And Thanks to you, Bella. This is one of those rare occasions on the TMF where I've had a very pleasant disagreement with someone. You've restored my faith in the ability to discuss! 😀
Bella
Cheers,
Jo
Lookie, cookie, I can do it too. I meant laborious in addressing every single comment. I generally don't comment on everything in someone's post...I hit a topic here and there.
That's ok, a lot of professions out there don't make sense til you talk with folks who actually do it. Doesn't mean I'd do it, but I understand it better.
As a somewhat educated adult myself, I tend to think I can understand from anothers' point of view, however, that won't make it any more palatable to me.
Intelligent is right: they do something the truly enjoy and make really good money doing it. Can't argue with that, especially with an adult film producer/performer like me .
Like, I said, I can appreciate the signifigance it may hold for you, however, it's not my style. I get my jollies (so to speak) in other ways.
Wait now, I don't mean to imply anyone should 'rah-rah' it if they have issue with it. People who don't like it don't have to do it. But if I want to, I should be allowed to, that's all. Hell, I know lawyers who are far bigger ho's than any escort you'll meet but that's legal... (g).
Yes, you're not alone in thinking that there is more than one way to screw a John. I dont' have a problem with making prostitution legal. Actually, I'm sure there would be positive aspects. I'm just not convinced that the energies spent would be worth it given that it would open a whole other can of worms. As it's not something of value to me I likely would take the opposing side in the "don't waste time" column of things. Ya see?
Um, what do you mean by 'people like that?' Just curious.
In this particular conversation, I mean people who would choose to use something that I deam as a personal and intimate act as something to hustle a buck. That's just my current standing on it. I tie sexual acts to the mental and spiritual. I don't choose to seperate the two, thusly no-strings-attached sexual acts for cash kinda rub me wrong. Hence those people are not my cuppa tea. It wasn't "those people" said in the gasping-well-I-nevah sort of voice.
As for them having their 'rep', that's because people love to put down other people and cause misery. Always have. Not too long ago, I couldn't have married my hubby because we're different colors. Thank goodness those who came before me stood up for what they wanted despite risking a reputation or worse. Different situation? Perhaps, but many MANY people think mixing races is morally wrong, and wouldn't want to associate with "people like that." If they found out how I feel about tickling they'd throw holy water and run screaming. Boggles the mind, really...
I agree in the mind boggling opinions. What's so funny about this conversation is that anyone who knows me would tell you that I have a mind too open about things most people would become offended by. It doesn't translate well onscreen I'm sure as I feel alot of the time that people view me as seriously conservative in a "you need therapy" kinda way. I think this particular topic just rubs against my grain because it takes something I view as personal and exchanges it for the all mighty dollar bill. I have difficulty swallowing the mixture of sex and money because even when I'm "just having sex" it still contains emotion. And she's ramblin'.......😛
Someone once said that "a nymphomaniac is just someone who likes sex more than you do." There's a lot of truth to that. If people would just relax about what their neighbors are doing on their own time there'd be way less worry over 'reps'.
Reps are a reality in a society. It's what keeps us from going from "keep your nose out of my bedroom" to "keep your nose out of my basement full of dead bodies." Extreme, yes...but it's the little things that keep the big things in check - in my opinion anyway.
I'm a feisty brat, I never accept stigmas 🙂. Accepting them keeps them going, y'know? We're all individuals and should be treated as such, rather than lumped together that way.
Accept can mean more than one thing. In my case it means that it's not worth the trouble to convince someone that my choice should be ok with them. It's my business and I accept their view as theirs. Although I may not like it, it's not my mind that needs to change. I "accept" it and I live my life according to my selfset bounderies. For example, if I want to tie up my friend and torment the hell out of him while my hubby is at home watching the game with the guys, then I will. No harm no foul if the involved persons are ok with it. Mutally fulfilling I guess you could say. If I were out taking money for this, to me that would be wrong. That might not make sense to you,but I'll have to accept it. 😉
I can see what you're saying, and frankly I've never needed to go to a prostitute either. Still, I pay for my hairstyle, my nails, my videos, and many other services just because they make me happy. Many look at sex the same way and I can understand where they're comin' from. It doesn't suit my lifestyle either as a wife and mama, but I still support it as suitable for other adults. I would hope they would support my right to attend BDSM events and the like, which *is* a part of my lifestyle that some would prevent if they could.
Well, for the most part, I'd have to agree with all of this this. I can happily accept that someone chooses this as their lifestyle. If you want to exchange sexual acts for cash, then by all means, please do so. Just don't expect me to think very highly of ya for it. Don't expect me to be happy to shell out my energy "tax money" to make it easy for you to do something that goes against my grain.
Thanks Joby, excellent discussion! :-D
And Thanks to you, Bella. This is one of those rare occasions on the TMF where I've had a very pleasant disagreement with someone. You've restored my faith in the ability to discuss! 😀
Bella
Cheers,
Jo
Re: Legalize Yes!
It would be interesting to know how many marriages have broken up when a wife discovered her husband was securing the services of legal prostitutes. And of those broken marriages how many children are involved. And of those children how many live in poverty because the father does not pay child support.
Now is prostitution a victimless crime?
Using the reason that we ain't going to stop prostitution anyway. Could be used in my robbery example. We don't seem to be able to stop that either. So the reasoning goes, let's make it legal.
stevisecret said:
It would be interesting to know how many marriages have broken up when a wife discovered her husband was securing the services of legal prostitutes. And of those broken marriages how many children are involved. And of those children how many live in poverty because the father does not pay child support.
Now is prostitution a victimless crime?
Using the reason that we ain't going to stop prostitution anyway. Could be used in my robbery example. We don't seem to be able to stop that either. So the reasoning goes, let's make it legal.
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Re: Re: Legalize Yes!
Maybe we could also ask why the husband goes to the brothel instead of sleeping with his wife. Doesn't it take a kind of already deteriorated relationship for such behavior?
Let's look at the alternatives instead: If prostitution remains illegal, the husband takes several big risks when he visits a prostitute: 1) he might be caught and fined, and 2) he might catch some STD, and he might even infect his wife if and when he sleeps with her again, because the prostitutes don't get regular medical check-ups.
So maybe the hubby tends to avoid this risk. But because of his pent-up sexual energy, he rapes her, or he becomes aggressive and hits her and the children, or he might drink away his frustration with alcohol. Or he cheats his wife with another woman. Is that better?
And what about those who are too ugly or fat or old or otherwise too unattractive to find a mate? Does that automatically mean that their sex drive is lower than that of a married man? No, it's still there, and God knows what might happen if some day all this pent-up energy overwhelms the guy, because he sees a cute girl in hotpants or a miniskirt. Is that better than legalizing prostitution?
No omega, it all comes down to moral condemnation of prostitution. The bible has nothing to do with it, on the contrary. What did Jesus do with Maria Magdalena? Throw another stone?
You can construe guilt about everything, if you like. Logically, that's equal to this story: A bee distracts a golfer at the moment of tee-off, and subsequently the golfball flies out to the street where it hits the windscreen of a car, which swerves and collides with a fire engine, and the house where the fire engine is needed burns down completely. Is the bee responsible for the destroyed house?omega said:
Maybe we could also ask why the husband goes to the brothel instead of sleeping with his wife. Doesn't it take a kind of already deteriorated relationship for such behavior?
Let's look at the alternatives instead: If prostitution remains illegal, the husband takes several big risks when he visits a prostitute: 1) he might be caught and fined, and 2) he might catch some STD, and he might even infect his wife if and when he sleeps with her again, because the prostitutes don't get regular medical check-ups.
So maybe the hubby tends to avoid this risk. But because of his pent-up sexual energy, he rapes her, or he becomes aggressive and hits her and the children, or he might drink away his frustration with alcohol. Or he cheats his wife with another woman. Is that better?
And what about those who are too ugly or fat or old or otherwise too unattractive to find a mate? Does that automatically mean that their sex drive is lower than that of a married man? No, it's still there, and God knows what might happen if some day all this pent-up energy overwhelms the guy, because he sees a cute girl in hotpants or a miniskirt. Is that better than legalizing prostitution?
No omega, it all comes down to moral condemnation of prostitution. The bible has nothing to do with it, on the contrary. What did Jesus do with Maria Magdalena? Throw another stone?
Re: Re: Legalize Yes!
It would be even more interesting to note how many other otherwise stale and boring marriages (in the sexual sense) have been kept together because the husband found a way to have sexual release. IMHO religion is the biggest propagator (this is not a personal slam Padre) of a philosophy that is alien and unworkable to my way of thinking abut life.
Every human being (indeed every item in Creation) is another expression of the spirit/energy/God/Force moving at the right vibration to appear in any particular dimension of existence at any given time. The biggest way that people can become bigger, more evolved and more fulfilled is through exchanging energy with other people. One of the most obvious ways this is done, is through sexual intercourse. There is no more sure way of ensuring that people's lives will stagnate than to force them to physically copulate with ONLY one person for x-amount of years. (OR in the case of some, with NO people over x-amount of years.) There will be times when benefit would be gained from having sexual relations with prostiutes.
Am I recomending unrestrained promiscuity? Nope. promiscuity reduces sexual intercourse to the level of a physical act, rather than a true meeting of souls that can and should be, dynamically powerful. But at the same time I am not advocating unrestrained monogamy because it's just as senseless as it's alternative. It feeds the negative emotions of guilt and fear and that isn't good for anyone.
So what am I advocating? I advocate commitment and responsibility. The second is something that people turn over to the state to take care of, way too often. For someone to truly evolve they have to take it on themselves.
Even though some people will feel themselves custom built for a sexual life with only one other person, most don't; male or female. But when they act on their impulses to need more than one person, society hits them with the whammy of guilt, fear and an uncarryable feeling of misery; this comes in on both sides. But for most people to be totally fulfilled, they NEED some interaction with other people. And at the base of it everyone is just an expression of the universal energy, vibrating at the right speed to be physical in this particular dimension. So why should sexual interaction with any other expression of yourself or "God" be something to feel guilty for? IT should'nt, so long as it isn't abused and made too much of a physical experience. But countless relationships very day are broken up amid chaos, misery and guilt because of it. It's about as sensible as your left hand being angry at your right because you jerked off with it instead.
All that "spirity whacked-out" stuff being said, I think prostitution should have a legitimate place in society. For someone who feels they are being totally fulfiled with their partner it would'nt be needed, but someone else might be rotting away and withering, all for want of a relationship with someone. Someone like that could really "grow" in self-confidence from being able to legally use a prostitute.
The only reason to continue to believe that prostitution should be illegal to everyone (rather than what Jo said about personal choice being the factor) is the "God made it sanctified, so it should'nt be used outside of marriage" argument. Well a lot of people's definations of "God" differ from the original template these days and they should have the right to find their own pathway to grace. Personally I believe that something is only wrong if you create a negative vibration from it. (Especially when it effects other people.) Having sex with a prostitute would actually benefit some if not all, so the law should butt the hell out of people's personal morality and make laws that increase the safety of the workers. Those girls run terrible risks if they don't work for a reputable agency or under their own guidance. Street walkers should be removed from the streets and given the opportunity to clean up their act.
My beliefs about sex being used to allow people to "interact" with other expressions of Creation explain why I don't look on homosexuality as wrong. If it's between 2 consenting adults who will both benefit from it, why have a beef?
omega said:
It would be even more interesting to note how many other otherwise stale and boring marriages (in the sexual sense) have been kept together because the husband found a way to have sexual release. IMHO religion is the biggest propagator (this is not a personal slam Padre) of a philosophy that is alien and unworkable to my way of thinking abut life.
Every human being (indeed every item in Creation) is another expression of the spirit/energy/God/Force moving at the right vibration to appear in any particular dimension of existence at any given time. The biggest way that people can become bigger, more evolved and more fulfilled is through exchanging energy with other people. One of the most obvious ways this is done, is through sexual intercourse. There is no more sure way of ensuring that people's lives will stagnate than to force them to physically copulate with ONLY one person for x-amount of years. (OR in the case of some, with NO people over x-amount of years.) There will be times when benefit would be gained from having sexual relations with prostiutes.
Am I recomending unrestrained promiscuity? Nope. promiscuity reduces sexual intercourse to the level of a physical act, rather than a true meeting of souls that can and should be, dynamically powerful. But at the same time I am not advocating unrestrained monogamy because it's just as senseless as it's alternative. It feeds the negative emotions of guilt and fear and that isn't good for anyone.
So what am I advocating? I advocate commitment and responsibility. The second is something that people turn over to the state to take care of, way too often. For someone to truly evolve they have to take it on themselves.
Even though some people will feel themselves custom built for a sexual life with only one other person, most don't; male or female. But when they act on their impulses to need more than one person, society hits them with the whammy of guilt, fear and an uncarryable feeling of misery; this comes in on both sides. But for most people to be totally fulfilled, they NEED some interaction with other people. And at the base of it everyone is just an expression of the universal energy, vibrating at the right speed to be physical in this particular dimension. So why should sexual interaction with any other expression of yourself or "God" be something to feel guilty for? IT should'nt, so long as it isn't abused and made too much of a physical experience. But countless relationships very day are broken up amid chaos, misery and guilt because of it. It's about as sensible as your left hand being angry at your right because you jerked off with it instead.
All that "spirity whacked-out" stuff being said, I think prostitution should have a legitimate place in society. For someone who feels they are being totally fulfiled with their partner it would'nt be needed, but someone else might be rotting away and withering, all for want of a relationship with someone. Someone like that could really "grow" in self-confidence from being able to legally use a prostitute.
Yes. Anything and everything in this world be it industry, inanimate object or person can be used for negative and positive reasons. Trying to rationalise the criminalisation of something because it can be mis-used by some people is a rather predjudiced statement. You might just as well criminalise all cars because a lot of people get drunk, drive and mow down a mother and her two kids, leaving the father and husband a widower. Sure if you eradicated them all from the face of the earth there would be no more DUI fatalities, but there's be a lot of perfectly repectable people who would suffer because they weren't allowed to drive any more.
The only reason to continue to believe that prostitution should be illegal to everyone (rather than what Jo said about personal choice being the factor) is the "God made it sanctified, so it should'nt be used outside of marriage" argument. Well a lot of people's definations of "God" differ from the original template these days and they should have the right to find their own pathway to grace. Personally I believe that something is only wrong if you create a negative vibration from it. (Especially when it effects other people.) Having sex with a prostitute would actually benefit some if not all, so the law should butt the hell out of people's personal morality and make laws that increase the safety of the workers. Those girls run terrible risks if they don't work for a reputable agency or under their own guidance. Street walkers should be removed from the streets and given the opportunity to clean up their act.
I agree with you. It may be a considering factor, but it could never justify legalising something. I'd hope you've noticed however, that I didn't use that argument once in my views.
My beliefs about sex being used to allow people to "interact" with other expressions of Creation explain why I don't look on homosexuality as wrong. If it's between 2 consenting adults who will both benefit from it, why have a beef?
Let me discuss a few viewpoints that have been expressed here.
One, if prostitution is legalized then the police can spend more time on bigger issues than finding and arresting prostitutes and "johns". I don't think that would actually happen. Why? Well, legalization would mean that someone has to make sure all the prostitutes get registered and given health checks. So now the police are spending their time looking for prostitutes that may not register. Even when prostitutes get registered and health checked what happens to those with AIDS who do not pass the health check? Are they not given credentials as a legal prostitute? Will they just quite prostituting and just find another job? I doubt it. So we will still have illegal prostitutes around. And we will have added the problem of certification fraud. Now the police also have to look for prostitutes with fraudulent certification and try to take down the whole underground network that produces the fraudulent certificates.
Two, is for BigJim. You have stated the religion has really suppressed sexuality by demanding that one man marry and stay with one woman for life. Not so! Once a man and a woman are married the Bible does nothing to suppress their sexuality. As far as the Bible is concerned they can have sex with each other 24 hours a day seven days a week all year long forever and ever, Amen. Also the Biblical guidelines for sex can be very freeing. Imagine what would happen if everyone on earth began right now to follow the Biblical guidelines of no sex for unmarried people and monogomous sex for those who are married. Within a generation the world would be free from AIDS.
One, if prostitution is legalized then the police can spend more time on bigger issues than finding and arresting prostitutes and "johns". I don't think that would actually happen. Why? Well, legalization would mean that someone has to make sure all the prostitutes get registered and given health checks. So now the police are spending their time looking for prostitutes that may not register. Even when prostitutes get registered and health checked what happens to those with AIDS who do not pass the health check? Are they not given credentials as a legal prostitute? Will they just quite prostituting and just find another job? I doubt it. So we will still have illegal prostitutes around. And we will have added the problem of certification fraud. Now the police also have to look for prostitutes with fraudulent certification and try to take down the whole underground network that produces the fraudulent certificates.
Two, is for BigJim. You have stated the religion has really suppressed sexuality by demanding that one man marry and stay with one woman for life. Not so! Once a man and a woman are married the Bible does nothing to suppress their sexuality. As far as the Bible is concerned they can have sex with each other 24 hours a day seven days a week all year long forever and ever, Amen. Also the Biblical guidelines for sex can be very freeing. Imagine what would happen if everyone on earth began right now to follow the Biblical guidelines of no sex for unmarried people and monogomous sex for those who are married. Within a generation the world would be free from AIDS.
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Weird arguements
I'm sorry Omega but you make very strange arguements. Prostitution is a victimless crime because both parties consent to the act. This really shouldn't have to be explained. In a robbery, there is no mutual consent by two incividuals one to be a robber the other to be robbed. The person who has been robbed is clearly the victim of a crime. You don't have that in prostitution. You more likely have two people thinking in their minds that they did nothing wrong.
As far as how many marriages have been broken up over prostitution. How many have been broken up over bad breath or eating too much or watching too much television. Maybe we shouild make all those things illegal too.
To suggest that legalization of prostitution will not lessen the police burden is plain silly. Many of the problems associated with prostitution occur not because two people are having sex with money involved but because rather because prostitution is illegal. There are a number of secondary crimes robbery, rape, pimping, assault that take place because people are already involved in an illegal activity. Make prostitution legal and the secondary crimes vanish right with it. As far as more red tape yada yada yada, Regulation makes the industry become almost self regulating. If prostitutes are licensed, health checked etc only fools are going to run out and have sex with illegal, unlicensed prostitutes. Why would anyone do that when they can go to a legal, licenbsed, health checked provider. As far as any additional government needed to license etc. These services will not be performed by police but other governmnet workers. These services will also be easily paid for by by license fees and the enormous increase in tax revenue that could be generated by a legalized situation.
Stevi Secret
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I'm sorry Omega but you make very strange arguements. Prostitution is a victimless crime because both parties consent to the act. This really shouldn't have to be explained. In a robbery, there is no mutual consent by two incividuals one to be a robber the other to be robbed. The person who has been robbed is clearly the victim of a crime. You don't have that in prostitution. You more likely have two people thinking in their minds that they did nothing wrong.
As far as how many marriages have been broken up over prostitution. How many have been broken up over bad breath or eating too much or watching too much television. Maybe we shouild make all those things illegal too.
To suggest that legalization of prostitution will not lessen the police burden is plain silly. Many of the problems associated with prostitution occur not because two people are having sex with money involved but because rather because prostitution is illegal. There are a number of secondary crimes robbery, rape, pimping, assault that take place because people are already involved in an illegal activity. Make prostitution legal and the secondary crimes vanish right with it. As far as more red tape yada yada yada, Regulation makes the industry become almost self regulating. If prostitutes are licensed, health checked etc only fools are going to run out and have sex with illegal, unlicensed prostitutes. Why would anyone do that when they can go to a legal, licenbsed, health checked provider. As far as any additional government needed to license etc. These services will not be performed by police but other governmnet workers. These services will also be easily paid for by by license fees and the enormous increase in tax revenue that could be generated by a legalized situation.
Stevi Secret
http://www.stevisecret.com
