Should the 'lee like it?

[tickledgirl]

In the "body parts" thread, a few people talked about how there are places that they're so ticklish that it's unpleasant for them. That kinda got me thinking. In some tickle stories, the lee is taken way past anything they find pleasurable until it truly becomes torture.

Question for the 'lers out there: Does the idea of doing something like that excite you, or turn you off?

(Note: I'm not advocating anything non-consensual at all. I'm talking mainly about fantasy here. And similarly I'm not going to jump all over someone who cops to getting turned on by the idea of tickle-torturing, and I hope no one else will either.)

 

[Mastertank1]

For me, darlin'

In the "body parts" thread, a few people talked about how there are places that they're so ticklish that it's unpleasant for them. That kinda got me thinking. In some tickle stories, the lee is taken way past anything they find pleasurable until it truly becomes torture.

Question for the 'lers out there: Does the idea of doing something like that excite you, or turn you off?

(Note: I'm not advocating anything non-consensual at all. I'm talking mainly about fantasy here. And similarly I'm not going to jump all over someone who cops to getting turned on by the idea of tickle-torturing, and I hope no one else will either.)

If I can't make it fun and enjoyable for my 'lee, there's no fun or enjoyment in it for me.
Oh, I can ROLEPLAY a non-consensual scenario. A lot of the fantasies I write involve making a 'lee enjoy her tickling/submission in spite of herself. I've also actually done that under circumstances where the 'lee consented because she lost a wager of some sort or to pay back a big favor.
For an example, sort of, see the true story "Downfall Of The Overconfident Dominatrix" in my story archive.

 

[fttickler]

For those who know me.....

the answer should be clear. If the lee does not like it then it is not enjoyable for me. I am the playful ler. I am not saying certain aspects of it don't appeal to me in different ways, I do love a great laugh and lots of squirming and wiggilng but for it to be a " Good " experience I want both the lee and myself to enjoy it




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[Capnmad]

Enjoyment for both parties is for me, the biggest point. I don't want to do something the 'lee wouldn't find enjoyable... I guess there is a fuzzy line, however, of taking the enjoyment to a level of intensity they can't stand -- pushing envelopes, and whatnot... It's something I'd make a judgement call on based on trust, and what I thought the individual 'lee was up for and could (ultimately) enjoy or appreciate... It's an intuitive process.

But would I engage in a variety of tickling deliberately meant to annoy or torture? Well, that's not really of interest to me nor is it really a turn-on, so generally, no.

A recent post asked how one might "punish" a 'lee... Should there be a need for "punishment" or redirection of the 'lee's behavior in a scene, I suppose the annoying tickleplay could be used as the stick end of a "carrot and stick" approach, provided the technique and length during which it's used is not unnecessarily aversive. Still, the prospect does nothing for me, and is annoysome to the 'lee, and given my goals, if at all employed, it would likely be done so very, very limitedly. I'm pretty much interested in the pleasure and the overwhelming pleasure aspects of tickling -- not really a fan of aversive tickling at all.

I'm curious to see how vet and self-proclaimed sadist Lee Allure answers this though, if she cares to weigh in... She might have an interesting perspective.

 

[chrisheaven]

enjoyment for all is the key

 

[sabaki]

yay, I get to differ

I'm a switch. As a 'lee, I love the idea of being tickle _tortured_. That is: brought to the point where I really, sincerely want the tickling to stop, then have the 'ler smile knowingly at me and dig in HARDER. And, not knowing when the unbearable feelings are going to stop. In play, nobody has really taken it far enough for me (but the line has been crossed, and it's so exciting). I like the feeling of helplessness and loss of control of my body and my reactions, as well as the humiliation at laughing over something that has crossed over into torture. (So I'm not talking about liking the tickling itself, but rather the mental state that it creates).

Tickling can be light and pleasurable too, and I love to give and receive that kind. But playing near the N/C line is what sends shivers through me.

 

[tickledgirl]

I like the feeling of helplessness and loss of control of my body and my reactions, as well as the humiliation at laughing over something that has crossed over into torture.

Me too, definitely! That's a great description of the pleasure of extreme tickling.

But...it really doesn't take much tickling to get me to that line. For reference, brighteyes talks about being so desperate that she'd rather accept pain than more tickling. (And the from the way she put it, I'm assuming she's not into pain.) I can't imagine anything going that far being pleasant for me.

 

[gabrielle]

I'm a switch. As a 'lee, I love the idea of being tickle _tortured_. That is: brought to the point where I really, sincerely want the tickling to stop, then have the 'ler smile knowingly at me and dig in HARDER. And, not knowing when the unbearable feelings are going to stop. In play, nobody has really taken it far enough for me (but the line has been crossed, and it's so exciting). I like the feeling of helplessness and loss of control of my body and my reactions, as well as the humiliation at laughing over something that has crossed over into torture. (So I'm not talking about liking the tickling itself, but rather the mental state that it creates).

Tickling can be light and pleasurable too, and I love to give and receive that kind. But playing near the N/C line is what sends shivers through me.

I hardly dare saying it, but this is EXACTLY how I feel about it. I am strictly 'lee though.
you're a switch you said, how does the 'ler in you feel about this?

gabrielle

 

[sabaki]

I hardly dare saying it, but this is EXACTLY how I feel about it. I am strictly 'lee though.
you're a switch you said, how does the 'ler in you feel about this?

Haha, why don't you come over here and find out... ;-)

Seriously, I'm the same way as a 'ler. But I'm sensitive to the fact that not many people are interested in this kind of play. I would never force it on someone who wanted light play, of course.

But with a 'lee who wants to explore limits, I'd definitely be into serious tickle torture (and everything that goes with it 🙂 )

 

[MrPartickler]

As other 'lers have said, I need my lee to enjoy it. If she doesn't, then I don't either.

However, I'm intrigued with the idea of flirting with a lee's "line" in those circumstances where she actually welcomes being pushed to her limits and beyond. Unfortunately, I have personally met very few who fell into that category. However, it can be a very intimate experience...being so "tuned in" to her reactions and responses...discovering how to "moderate" the torture just so.... 😉

 

[gabrielle]

Haha, why don't you come over here and find out... ;-)

good question tempting thought though , VERY tempting to be precise 😀

 

[TicklishLurker]

See, being taken to the point where it's torture is enjoyable for me. I don't mean really viciously evil and "tickled until I cough so much I lose my voice" sort of thing. But being a masochist - enjoying a bit of pain and all that, being tickle-tortured is a big turn on for me. Knowing I'm helpless to resist. Dizzy. Completely submissive. I enjoy it.

 

[ShadowTklr]

I love the intensity. There is nothing more exciting than slowly prodding my lee through the journey to her own frantic breakdown - gradually and repeatedly; each time with playfully sinister calculation. I mean, of course, the complete breakdown of her insistent will; the desperate, tickling duress-ridden abandonment of her stake in free thought.

There's a point that occurs sometime during the umteenth time that I'm taking her on that anxiety-laden, rollercoaster-drop of ticklish sensory overload, when I can actually see her losing her grip on her ability to tolerate it any longer. She's grasping spastically at her fleeting defiance with both hands, like trying to hold a greased pig, while the incessant tickling drags her control by the ankles farther and farther away from the clawing, howling part of her that normally asserts jurisdiction over her poise and dignity. Then, she snaps.

She flies into an uncontrollable bout of hysteria, interspersed with desperate attempts at freedom, and rapid fire pleading that flows so quickly, it often repeats like a broken record for lack of the benefit of coherent thought. In that quintessential moment that represents the chasm between conscious control and sanity's freefall, lies the bliss of surrender for her, and the satisfaction of conquest for me.

Sometimes, intensity is what brings about the greatest enjoyment for both.

Perhaps this is what TicklishLurker means.

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[isabeau]

I love the intensity. There is nothing more exciting than slowly prodding my lee through the journey to her own frantic breakdown - gradually and repeatedly; each time with playfully sinister calculation. I mean, of course, the complete breakdown of her insistent will; the desperate, tickling duress-ridden abandonment of her stake in free thought.

There's a point that occurs sometime during the umteenth time that I'm taking her on that anxiety-laden, rollercoaster-drop of ticklish sensory overload, when I can actually see her losing her grip on her ability to tolerate it any longer. She's grasping spastically at her fleeting defiance with both hands, like trying to hold a greased pig, while the incessant tickling drags her control by the ankles farther and farther away from the clawing, howling part of her that normally asserts jurisdiction over her poise and dignity. Then, she snaps.

She flies into an uncontrollable bout of hysteria, interspersed with desperate attempts at freedom, and rapid fire pleading that flows so quickly, it often repeats like a broken record for lack of the benefit of coherent thought. In that quintessential moment that represents the chasm between conscious control and sanity's freefall, lies the bliss of surrender for her, and the satisfaction of conquest for me.

Sometimes, intensity is what brings about the greatest enjoyment for both.

Perhaps this is what TicklishLurker means.

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what he said....exactly what he said..

 

[TickledToDeath]

I'm a switch. As a 'lee, I love the idea of being tickle _tortured_. That is: brought to the point where I really, sincerely want the tickling to stop, then have the 'ler smile knowingly at me and dig in HARDER. And, not knowing when the unbearable feelings are going to stop. In play, nobody has really taken it far enough for me (but the line has been crossed, and it's so exciting). I like the feeling of helplessness and loss of control of my body and my reactions, as well as the humiliation at laughing over something that has crossed over into torture. (So I'm not talking about liking the tickling itself, but rather the mental state that it creates).

Tickling can be light and pleasurable too, and I love to give and receive that kind. But playing near the N/C line is what sends shivers through me.

Damn near perfectly said.
Extreme tickling is where it's at.

 

[ShadowTklr]

I'm a switch. As a 'lee, I love the idea of being tickle _tortured_. That is: brought to the point where I really, sincerely want the tickling to stop, then have the 'ler smile knowingly at me and dig in HARDER. And, not knowing when the unbearable feelings are going to stop. In play, nobody has really taken it far enough for me (but the line has been crossed, and it's so exciting). I like the feeling of helplessness and loss of control of my body and my reactions, as well as the humiliation at laughing over something that has crossed over into torture. (So I'm not talking about liking the tickling itself, but rather the mental state that it creates).

Tickling can be light and pleasurable too, and I love to give and receive that kind. But playing near the N/C line is what sends shivers through me.

You don't say....
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[Luv2Tickle69]

the answer should be clear. If the lee does not like it then it is not enjoyable for me. I am the playful ler. I am not saying certain aspects of it don't appeal to me in different ways, I do love a great laugh and lots of squirming and wiggilng but for it to be a " Good " experience I want both the lee and myself to enjoy it




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....there it is.....that's what I'm talkin' 'bout...right there.

I have even managed to make a few converts in my time, given my more playful/sensually oriented nature with my approach to tickling. Didn't hurt that I allowed those less-than-initially-enthusiastic females to tickle my feet as much as they liked...which kinda fed the idea that being tickled can actually be fun, spurning a number of them to think it could be as fun for them as they saw it was for me.

 

[sabaki]

You don't say....
(He opined beneath his Top hat and cape, while twirling the tips of his long, curly mustache between his fingers)
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(lol) ShadowTklr, I'd love to do a scene with you, but only if you wear that ridiculous costume.

Edit: to any video producers reading this, can we have some tied-to-train-tracks-tickling? (yeah alliteration!) 😀

 

[AffectionateDan]

Snidely Whiplash, you cad!

See, to me, it's such an intimate, shared experience, that it's absolutely ZERO fun for me if they're not enjoying it, too. Major turn-off. No thanks.

 

[terorizer]

the lee is taken way past anything they find pleasurable until it truly becomes torture.

Question for the 'lers out there: Does the idea of doing something like that excite you, or turn you off?

Personally, I think of a tickle as a way to let someone know how cherished and adored they are. I don't see that involving torture or something I KNOW they do not find pleasurable. The mere idea of causing emotional or mental or physical distress from tickling, well it distresses me.

But, in this kink, for many, (for lack of a better term) the "pain of tickling" IS something pleasurable. It's a ticklish grey area really, in that it may be hard to articulate that the "breaking point" is the "beginning point". I don't have a problem with that, because even though while it's happening, the lee may want to gnaw their wrist off to get the tickling to stop, ultimately they've gotten something they desired. And certainly when the love and care of a devoted ler is there after the ordeal.

I must say though, I've never thought there was a distinct difference between "playful" vs "sensual" vs "intense/extreme". Playful tickling can be sinister, and destroy you mentally. Sensual tickling can bring one to another type of breaking point. They can be as extreme and intense any depending on the setting, especially high trust/high intimacy relationships.

 

[sabaki]

Very well, put, terorizer. I totally agree.

And I wanted to add. Even though I came forward endorsing harsher tickling, the answer to the original question tickledgirl answered: "should the 'lee like it?" is: YES. If not, I would not be interested in doing it. The point is that there are different levels on which you can "like" it. You might hate the actual sensations, but like the headspace they put you in. Or you might like it on an even more abstract level. It's still liking it... human beings are complicated like that. 🙂

 

[Capnmad]

Well said, terorizer.

 

[kingp]

The lee has to like it for me....

If she doesn't like what I am doing than it is a total turn off, and that goes for other things as well besides tickling. If a lee likes the torture side of tickling then I am more than willing to comply, but if it is too much, than a gentle tickle is just as sexy to me....



Saw this on a bumper sticker today...

Amateurs built the ark
Professionals built the Titanic

 

[LindyHopper]

I'd like to echo the thoughts of many on this thread about how the intensity of tickling is part of the fun. For myself, the times when I'm begging sincerely, wholeheartedly, for the tickling to stop is when I'm enjoying it most.

 

[Redmage]

For myself, the times when I'm begging sincerely, wholeheartedly, for the tickling to stop is when I'm enjoying it most.

Those are the times when I'm enjoying it most too. Well, maybe those are second to the times when you're not coherent enough to beg. But it's a close second.

Meanwhile, back on-topic...

"Like" is relative. I think it's essential for the 'lee to enjoy what's happening in some sense. However that sense can be defined pretty broadly. If my 'lee happens to enjoy being taken to a place where like/dislike become fuzzy and ambiguous, then I enjoy taking my 'lee to that place.

In the end, I think asking "do you like that?" is a bad question. Often times the answers will be VERY different during the tickling than before or after. A better question is "Would you like to do that again?" The answer to that tells you much more about whether or not you're succeeding as a 'ler.