Someone should create…

[outkastman]

A “TickleTube.” Like YouTube, but for tickling enthusiasts. There have been so many amazing clips lost over time. I’m thinking of models like Laura from early days TMF, SITS materials, and many other clips with truly ticklish models. Ideally, this could be a free site, with donated materials. The goal is preserving our tickling media history and known gems.

Think of all the videos that are out there right now that could potentially be lost. I know producers are in the business to make money, but it’s a shame to see all of their work disappear into our distant memories.

(Plus it would be a great opportunity for those with the networking capabilities, and know how, to help bring this community back to life.) Not to mention it could be a platform for other tickling enthusiasts to participate in.

Just a reoccurring thought I’ve had…

[EDIT - Not piracy or digging up videos models wanted down. A space where consent is the foundation and community collaboration can be the driving force. A legit platform abiding by all legal standards.] <—— I was hoping that would just be obvious…

 

[kucheeku]

If you want to save videos uploaded to Youtube--and are not copyrighted materials from commercial producers--one item to consider is getting an NAS, so that you can have them ready for streaming. An external hard drive storage is, of course, another option.

The main issue is relying on external sources for free tickling clips. Maintaining a library is the only way to assure you'll have those scenes when you'd like to see them.

 

[WickedTouch]

A “TickleTube.” Like YouTube, but for tickling enthusiasts. There have been so many amazing clips lost over time. I’m thinking of models like Laura from early days TMF, SITS materials, and many other clips with truly ticklish models. Ideally, this could be a free site, with donated materials. The goal is preserving our tickling media history and known gems.

Think of all the videos that are out there right now that could potentially be lost. I know producers are in the business to make money, but it’s a shame to see all of their work disappear into our distant memories.

(Plus it would be a great opportunity for those with the networking capabilities, and know how, to help bring this community back to life.) Not to mention it could be a platform for other tickling enthusiasts to participate in.

Just a reoccurring thought I’ve had…

I really understand your idea here and agree that it would be great to have as a resource, but it's hard to imagine it being practical (especially if free). Such a site would likely end up taking the lion's share of internet tickle traffic, perhaps by visitor count, but more importantly by data transmission. To store, maintain, and transmit that kind of data, there would need to be a stream of money involved. Additionally, as you said, producers want paid, if only for their own investment into producing the content they produce. Even "free" casual clips found throughout the internet (say on YouTube) are only free in terms of not requiring payment. They are not free in terms of copyright free, so they would each need explicitly released by the copyright holder in order to be hosted on such a platform. And that's just some of the obstacles that render it impractical.

If there was a change to the commonly accepted business model for clips, then there might be a way this could work. A lot of creativity and controls would need to be put into place though. As an example, most videos on YouTube are free, but there advertising model does generate revenue for YouTube and the creators involved. Profitability at the smaller scale of a tickling clip platform is uncertain to me using a similar model to Youtube, but it's just an example. It would be an extremely difficult problem to solve for sure.

Again, great idea though. I hope to wake up one morning and find out I was wrong about this!

 

[hefophre]

So a pirate site (unless youre suggesting that the only content preserved would be uploaded by the content creator themselves, which Im sure you know wouldnt make sense)
If this content has disappeared it is for a reason. If the original creator wanted the content available, and there wasnt some extenuating circumstance preventing this then it would have still be available.
Did you ever consider that the creator may NOT want the material available any longer, or that a performer may have requested the video not available any longer, and that there are legitimate reason for this? If the content creator wanted them preserved, they would do this themselves. To disregard this potential is thoughtless, greedy self-entitlement.
Alot of this "lost" material was made before, or in the very early stages, of file-sharing and social media, and thus likely seen as only available to a tiny group, and my understanding is that some never even sold more than handful of their videos in total before being pirated. Its a different time now, and very fair that they may not want the material available for sharing on social media sites, etc. by random people who decide its their right to do so, especially after moving on to different things in life.

 

[outkastman]

So a pirate site (unless youre suggesting that the only content preserved would be uploaded by the content creator themselves, which Im sure you know wouldnt make sense)
If this content has disappeared it is for a reason. If the original creator wanted the content available, and there wasnt some extenuating circumstance preventing this then it would have still be available.
Did you ever consider that the creator may NOT want the material available any longer, or that a performer may have requested the video not available any longer, and that there are legitimate reason for this? If the content creator wanted them preserved, they would do this themselves. To disregard this potential is thoughtless, greedy self-entitlement.
Alot of this "lost" material was made before, or in the very early stages, of file-sharing and social media, and thus likely seen as only available to a tiny group, and my understanding is that some never even sold more than handful of their videos in total before being pirated. Its a different time now, and very fair that they may not want the material available for sharing on social media sites, etc. by random people who decide its their right to do so, especially after moving on to different things in life.

I know for a fact producers have lost material that they wish wasn’t. And the core of this thought was for it to be a mutual thing between users/producers/amateur creators - not a piracy endeavor. Do you know how YouTube works? Is it piracy for you to surf it? Calm down, friend.

If anything, it could help producers who want to participate and create a safer space for community members. A platform where people could safely navigate content (so much is already floating around out there anyways.)

 

[outkastman]

I really understand your idea here and agree that it would be great to have as a resource, but it's hard to imagine it being practical (especially if free). Such a site would likely end up taking the lion's share of internet tickle traffic, perhaps by visitor count, but more importantly by data transmission. To store, maintain, and transmit that kind of data, there would need to be a stream of money involved. Additionally, as you said, producers want paid, if only for their own investment into producing the content they produce. Even "free" casual clips found throughout the internet (say on YouTube) are only free in terms of not requiring payment. They are not free in terms of copyright free, so they would each need explicitly released by the copyright holder in order to be hosted on such a platform. And that's just some of the obstacles that render it impractical.

If there was a change to the commonly accepted business model for clips, then there might be a way this could work. A lot of creativity and controls would need to be put into place though. As an example, most videos on YouTube are free, but there advertising model does generate revenue for YouTube and the creators involved. Profitability at the smaller scale of a tickling clip platform is uncertain to me using a similar model to Youtube, but it's just an example. It would be an extremely difficult problem to solve for sure.

Again, great idea though. I hope to wake up one morning and find out I was wrong about this!

I one hundred percent agree with you and appreciate the insight. I think it’s something that could be brainstormed and discussed, if anything.

 

[duderino84]

I get the request, but the reality is, like Hunter S Thompson describes, we're too weird to live, too rare to die.

 

[hefophre]

I know for a fact producers have lost material that they wish wasn’t. And the core of this thought was for it to be a mutual thing between users/producers/amateur creators - not a piracy endeavor. Do you know how YouTube works? Is it piracy for you to surf it? Calm down, friend.

If anything, it could help producers who want to participate and create a safer space for community members. A platform where people could safely navigate content (so much is already floating around out there anyways.)

The concept, without piracy, doesnt make sense. It would have to function by the idea that everything is free to upload, unless told otherwise. If not considering this then creators that "want to participate" are already participating in their material being currently available on different platforms. If it no longer is, again, its likely for a reason.

Its piracy to post it without the permission of the original creator. If the creator themselves is participating in the archive then it is not piracy. But if that is happening, then it defeats the point of this archive entirely because they can post it themselves and there is no need for it to exist.

If a content creator has lost their material and is asking for others to post it to reobtain it, that's for the individual to request, not for random people to decide to do just in case. The content could be lost just the same on a hosted platform. In that case, the entire library could be lost if the creators were depending on this to archive it.

In suggesting for a place to more "safety" navigate content, what you are really suggesting for is a library of free content all in one place to make it easier for to find, instead of accepting that it may not be available for good reason, or that it is behind a paywall. If not, then such library already exist, behind paywalls, or the material is not available, and if the creator wanted it available it would be.

A platform like this would only be safer for the community in that caters to those seeking free or unavailable content, as they wouldnt have to risk getting viruses etc. to download or located pirated material, already floating around because how difficult it is to remove, which they dont want to pay for or is no longer available to purchase. No one is entitled to material that is no longer available by the content creator, especially if it had a pay-wall to access it.

 

[outkastman]

The concept, without piracy, doesnt make sense. It would have to function by the idea that everything is free to upload, unless told otherwise. If not considering this then creators that "want to participate" are already participating in their material being currently available on different platforms. If it no longer is, again, its likely for a reason.

Its piracy to post it without the permission of the original creator. If the creator themselves is participating in the archive then it is not piracy. But if that is happening, then it defeats the point of this archive entirely because they can post it themselves and there is no need for it to exist.

If a content creator has lost their material and is asking for others to post it to reobtain it, that's for the individual to request, not for random people to decide to do just in case. The content could be lost just the same on a hosted platform. In that case, the entire library could be lost if the creators were depending on this to archive it.

In suggesting for a place to more "safety" navigate content, what you are really suggesting for is a library of free content all in one place to make it easier for to find, instead of accepting that it may not be available for good reason, or that it is behind a paywall. If not, then such library already exist, behind paywalls, or the material is not available, and if the creator wanted it available it would be.

A platform like this would only be safer for the community in that caters to those seeking free or unavailable content, as they wouldnt have to risk getting viruses etc. to download or located pirated material, already floating around because how difficult it is to remove, which they dont want to pay for or is no longer available to purchase. No one is entitled to material that is no longer available by the content creator, especially if it

I was thinking of circumstances that have occurred where creators can no longer afford their domains and actually lost their stuff. We’ve also lost some creators IRL too…

It’s preventative and proactive…

No need imagining scenarios that don’t exist and getting too worked up. I get it, life is stressful - this doesn’t need to be!

 

[hefophre]

What scenarios that dont exist? This entire idea is based upon an imaginary scenario. Content creators can, and already do, store their content before it is uploaded somewhere, and those that left ( a lot ) did so with intention to leave and no longer make their content available, so im sure they are not looking for people to post their content in an archive website available for everyone to view in case they need a "preventative and proactive" backup

 

[SoleMates]

As a producer, I can see both sides of the coin. I agree with the OP that it would be nice to a have a central location for "lost" or otherwise freely-available material (hey, waiiiiit a minute, isn't that, like, here?), such that I wouldn't have to hunt down an individual producer's freebies page in order to see their made-free-for-me content, but let's be real; unless the only people who were able to upload stuff here were legitimate producers and/or other already-vetted people, this place would turn into the pirate's playground because people justify sharing clips with "I bought it, so I can do whatever I want with it", or they'll just share already-pirated material because in their minds, it already was freely available.

You could probably fund such a site with ads, but we all know how that goes where porn is involved.

So, yeah. Bad show, DM.

 

[DebonairDavid]

It sounds like you want to create a tickle fetish version of Archive.org. Regardless of where you stand on that site's legality, the purpose of it is to preserve any form of human history, which can be lost if people aren't making that information publicly available through file-sharing. Just to clear the air on the debate (and I'm not going to get into arguments with people over it), copying is not theft, as explained here:

Also, isn't it hypocritical that anyone bitching about piracy doesn't seem to have a problem with TickleTheater being archived on here? Tbh, the idea sounds redundant because we already have a sub-forum dedicated to videos, and while I'm not too familiar with producers personally, I'd imagine they'd upload them here and give proper acknowledgement that they are the creator (ex: the website they're hosting from). Even then, there's really no way to stop people from reuploading someone else's work outside of the mods manually removing it. The only real problem I have with someone reuploading something is them trying to pass it off as their own work (aka plagerism, which often gets confused with piracy).

 

[outkastman]

It sounds like you want to create a tickle fetish version of Archive.org. Regardless of where you stand on that site's legality, the purpose of it is to preserve any form of human history, which can be lost if people aren't making that information publicly available through file-sharing. Just to clear the air on the debate (and I'm not going to get into arguments with people over it), copying is not theft, as explained here:

Also, isn't it hypocritical that anyone bitching about piracy doesn't seem to have a problem with TickleTheater being archived on here? Tbh, the idea sounds redundant because we already have a sub-forum dedicated to videos, and while I'm not too familiar with producers personally, I'd imagine they'd upload them here and give proper acknowledgement that they are the creator (ex: the website they're hosting from). Even then, there's really no way to stop people from reuploading someone else's work outside of the mods manually removing it. The only real problem I have with someone reuploading something is them trying to pass it off as their own work (aka plagerism, which often gets confused with piracy).

As a producer, I can see both sides of the coin. I agree with the OP that it would be nice to a have a central location for "lost" or otherwise freely-available material (hey, waiiiiit a minute, isn't that, like, here?), such that I wouldn't have to hunt down an individual producer's freebies page in order to see their made-free-for-me content, but let's be real; unless the only people who were able to upload stuff here were legitimate producers and/or other already-vetted people, this place would turn into the pirate's playground because people justify sharing clips with "I bought it, so I can do whatever I want with it", or they'll just share already-pirated material because in their minds, it already was freely available.

You could probably fund such a site with ads, but we all know how that goes where porn is involved.

So, yeah. Bad show, DM.

Thoughtful feedback. Thanks for that!

Many of these issues could be resolved during the sign up process. Vet producers beforehand and then gather pre-approved content during site creation. This would make it much easier to vet content and prevent many “illegal uploads” beforehand.

(Allowing a few clips that are easily accessible to all just may produce solid growth for active companies too.)

With thoughtful communication and agreeability this would work. It could be like an extension of the TMF, where approved content joins a “TickleTube” melting pot.

It could be fair and it could be modeled appropriately, don’t you think?

 

[outkastman]

What scenarios that dont exist? This entire idea is based upon an imaginary scenario. Content creators can, and already do, store their content before it is uploaded somewhere, and those that left ( a lot ) did so with intention to leave and no longer make their content available, so im sure they are not looking for people to post their content in an archive website available for everyone to view in case they need a "preventative and proactive" backup

Do you have personal experience to share regarding this? Or are you just playing Devil’s Advocate because it’s fun? This isn’t really an idea for “No” people. It’s for agreeable community members actively involved with one another looking to expand.

 

[DebonairDavid]

Many of these issues could be resolved during the sign up process. Vet producers beforehand and then gather pre-approved content during site creation. This would make it much easier to vet content and prevent many “illegal uploads” beforehand.

Even if mods remove 10 illegal uploads in an hour, they'll inevitably have to remove the 10 or 100 more that take their place, which is the frustrating nature of the beast due to copyright law existing. I'm sure @TMF Jeff knows exactly what I'm talking about. I get producers and models feel disincentivized to produce such work if they're upset over how anyone can take it, reupload it, and not pay them half the time, but people are going to do what want with what they purchased, or they'll be dicks by using software like YouTube DL to get around paywalls. Having to bite the bullet and inevitably deal with some lost income is sadly but honestly WAY better than having to deal with 10,000 different lawsuits over lost income. I'm sure Steven Spielberg has accepted this already.

 

[outkastman]

Even if mods remove 10 illegal uploads in an hour, they'll inevitably have to remove the 10 or 100 more that take their place, which is the frustrating nature of the beast due to copyright law existing. I'm sure @TMF Jeff knows exactly what I'm talking about. I get producers and models feel disincentivized to produce such work if they're upset over how anyone can take it, reupload it, and not pay them half the time, but people are going to do what want with what they purchased, or they'll be dicks by using software like YouTube DL to get around paywalls. Having to bite the bullet and inevitably deal with some lossed income is sadly but honestly WAY better than having to deal with 10,000 different lawsuits over lossed income. I'm sure Steven Spielberg has accepted this already.

How to minimize that level of moderation? Could have a 1 strike policy, list of approved content, mod approved memberships? (i.e., they’re a trusted TMF member, know producer, grandfathered in, etc.)

 

[TMF Jeff]

Also, isn't it hypocritical that anyone bitching about piracy doesn't seem to have a problem with TickleTheater being archived on here?

Tickletheater was given to us with the original owner's permission.

 

[DebonairDavid]

Tickletheater was given to us with the original owner's permission.

Good to know

 

[DebonairDavid]

How to minimize that level of moderation? Could have a 1 strike policy, list of approved content, mod approved memberships? (i.e., they’re a trusted TMF member, know producer, grandfathered in, etc.)

The black pill is people will find any kind of way to get around any kind of restriction, because they don't like being censored or what they can or can't do. I'm not saying that's a good or bad thing, it just depends on the circumstances. Another thing is if a number of people on a site notice the rules or restrictions have become draconian, they'll inevitability leave in droves because of that reason alone.

 

[WickedTouch]

In further reflection on this whole thing, the primary challenges with such an idea, outside of financing and technical, are related to copyright law. I guess what I'm thinking about here is that if a producer wishes to, at some point or another, preserve their work in such a way that it is freely accessible for everyone to enjoy, they would need to release the copyright on the work accordingly, whether through some relaxed license or by releasing to the public domain. That would be true whether it is on a singular platform, or distributed among many. If allowed to be distributed to many (any) platform such as the many porn sites or others, it would probably propagate more quickly with less chance of removal. Even if removed, it would be allowed to be owned and shared by everyone. That doesn't solve the singular platform dedicated to preserving tickling clips per se, but it's already an option. I don't know of anyone who has done it. But they technically could at any point with relatively little effort.

 

[DebonairDavid]

In further reflection on this whole thing, the primary challenges with such an idea, outside of financing and technical, are related to copyright law. I guess what I'm thinking about here is that if a producer wishes to, at some point or another, preserve their work in such a way that it is freely accessible for everyone to enjoy, they would need to release the copyright on the work accordingly, whether through some relaxed license or by releasing to the public domain. That would be true whether it is on a singular platform, or distributed among many. If allowed to be distributed to many (any) platform such as the many porn sites or others, it would probably propagate more quickly with less chance of removal. Even if removed, it would be allowed to be owned and shared by everyone. That doesn't solve the singular platform dedicated to preserving tickling clips per se, but it's already an option. I don't know of anyone who has done it. But they technically could at any point with relatively little effort.

Copyright law, like every other law, only exists in the heads of people willing to believe it's legitimacy and therefore enforce it. The producer doesn't have to release it from copyright protection in order for someone to access it, share it, or enjoy it, the people who have copies of it are going to do so regardless. Its illegal for them to do that, but the reality is they'll do it anyway.

 

[WickedTouch]

Copyright law, like every other law, only exists in the heads of people willing to believe it's legitimacy and therefore enforce it. The producer doesn't have to release it from copyright protection in order for someone to access it, share it, or enjoy it, the people who have copies of it are going to do so regardless. Its illegal for them to do that, but the reality is they'll do it anyway.

Oh, that's for sure true. People break the law all the time. But laws against it and attempts at enforcement definitely cause a lot of resistance, which is what I'm talking about: A copyright holder granting the right to others to copy and distribute the work freely reduces the friction (and potential penalties) in sharing and preserving the content. Either way, it would be an altruistic act that I don't see happening at scale, nor do I judge them for making that choice.