STAR WARS...A few observations.

[Dussicar]

Here's a handful of things about this lovely series that made me think.


LANDO CALRISSIAN: Who the fuck promotes a guy to General and then sticks him in a spaceship? Whats more, is that the attending Admiral(a fishman in space,I might add)spends his command time taking orders from HIM!!!
Let's say it together kids...Commodore Calrissian. Now, isn't that better?


TIE FIGHTERS ROTJ: Apparently, the Imperial navy is afflicted with the same hideous disease that the Imperial army has. It's the only explaination as to why 30,000 Imperial fighter craft can't go toe-to-toe with only 20 rebel fighters of the same size and only manage to take out one third...Barring the one that gingerly decided to take a pleasure cruise into an observation post.


DESTRUCTION OF THE SUPER STAR DESTROYER-ROTJ: Hmmm. It seems that space has an atmosphere in Lucas' universe.


EWOKS VS. STORMTROOPERS-ROTJ: Ah, this one's been beaten to death.


HAN AND CHEWIE: Here's a thought that I wished to god never occured to me...After spending long months on a ship together, they probably have quite intricate knowlege as to where the other does and doesn't like to be touched.


LEIA GETTING SHOT-ROTJ: I wouldn't worry about it. Considering the amount of Cocaine that Carrie Fisher was vacuuming up around that time frame, I'm sure she didn't feel a thing.


AN OPEN LETTER TO GEORGE LUCAS: Dear Mr. Lucas, I am well aware that you have a great love of "re-creating" your vision. By this I mean that you like to add about 1.01 seconds worth of extra footage and then have the guts to package and re-sell the whole god damned trilogy to slavering nerds who are too whipped to realise they've been had.
That's fine by me. I'm not here to complain, but to make a request. Now I know that musically speaking, John Williams is a genius. But since we're making all these lovely changes to your movies, it might be in your best interests to scrap that excellent music score when the snow speeders are about to attack the AT-AT's and replace it with Twisted Sister's "we're not going to take it."
You can always tell your fans that you've always wanted to do that, but didn't have the technology until today.


YODA AND WOOKIES-ROTS: I watched that scene in sith when Yoda bade farewell to Chewie and his companion. Sorry, but when they turned to eachother and began to bark and woof like idiots, I must declare that never in my life did I wnt to bitch-slap a Wookie so bad.


TRADE FEDERATION/SEPERATIST ROBOTS AND THEIR DUMB VOICES-ROTS: I can understand why this is. Lucas didn't want to scare his target audiance...Small children and socially inept nerds.


THE PHANTOM MENACE: Mr. Lucas, considering that this movie was pretty much the dumbest thing to come out on reels, you might want to take my advice when the time comes for you to fuck with and re-sell this stinker in the future...You should seriously commit yorself to improving this movie the Gene Roddenberry way which can be summed up in two words...SPACE HIPPIES!!!!!

 

[Celtic_Emperor]

In the defense of the destruction of the Executor, it was the gravitational pull of the Death Star which caused the ship to disend that way after it had lost it's lateral controls and auxilary power. Unless the whole point is saying that its ridiculous that a battlestation would have a pull of any kind, magnetic or otherwise as a planet would. Because of it's sheer size its implied that anything metal that was smaller would be drawn to it if it was unable to resist the pull and the Executor was having been crippled/capsized. In the end, I don't think it happening was too unreasonable.

EDIT:

As for imperial fighter craft during this time, the thought was emphasized more on numbers than quality since imperial capital ships were superior already. Even outnumbered rebel starfighters displayed strong survival ratings in skirmishes with imperial craft. The rebel fighters have shields also and armor reenforcement (allowing them to take a few direct hits whereas one shot would be enough to down a tie). Tie fighters have neither. The effectiveness of the craft is soley up to the skill of the pilot and their ability.

While the Battle of Endor would have favored the Empire no matter what, the unexpected tactics the rebels used had alot to do with evening out the odds.

It was 3 to 1 as far as fighters were concerned, but alot of alliance capital ships were armed specifically as gunships for taking out enemy fighters (and the y and b wings were armed as bombers so they could attack capital ships as well). The empire had the same, but Death Squadron was made up mostly of battleships.

Thats how it is with these two forces. The Empire has superior capitial ships but weaker fighters (albeit sometimes faster and of course more numerous to make up for the lack of strength) and the Rebel Alliance has superior space superiority fighters but weaker and smaller capital ships (though the calamari cruisers are nearly the equal of an imperial star destroyer are as large and do survive longer. Though several were destroyed by the Death Star as they are the most dangerous and largest targets).

When you take everything into consideration, the fact the Empire had more fighters in this battle made no real difference since it eventually became a fleet battle and the Alliance cleverly risked fighting Death Squadron at point blank range and ended up winning by attrition (and "sinking" the Empire's flagship), which was really just a freak accident.

Could they have destroyed the Executor with a concentrated attack like Admiral Ackbar ordered? Yes, but they may have lost.

But thats what plot devices are all about. The fall of the Executor was necessary for everything else to fall into place and for the Alliance to seem the like the victor in both the ground battle, the space battle and the personal battle between father and son.

I know you're being silly, and I'm not meaning to spoil your fun or anything so keep it going if you can. :happy: I think its funny actually.

 

[Dussicar]

I suppose I could see your point as to the crashing of the Executor. I just wish they didn't put that stupid plume of smoke in the scene.

As for the fighters, I can't really buy that they can't hit a few lousy rebel fighters. In ANH, there was only a small wing of TIE-fighters(before Vader took to flight) plus roughly 20 tower guns(which were very slow) gunning for the rebel contingency of about 30 ships. Almost all were decimated before Vader could even get there. After that, there was only two X-wings and one Y-wing left.
It just does not make sense in ROTJ. Also, throughout both the official history and the EU, they constantly explain the calculated discipline of the Imperial pilots. Granted, the TIE-fighter was NOT as well built as the typical Rebel fighter. It was explained that the Empire wanted a very cheap mass produced dog fighter to compliment the star destroyers. This is also why the TIE-fighters are equipped with Ion engines instead of the typical thrusters of it's more capable space counterparts. The pilots, however were expected to be very reliant on the capital ships for any number of reasons, but were trained to be emotionless an analytical in combat. This coupled with their combat training should by all rights have seen the Rebel fighters obliterated in a matter of seconds...Along with "COMMODOR" Calrissian. 😀

 

[Goodieluver]

Its safe to believe that the deathstar also had fighters too, so you'd have multiple star destroyers, plus the super star destroyer supplying fighters and arguably a small moon sized battle station with fighters. Hell, modern warfare even dictates that to win any engagement, you need a 3 to 1 advantage atleast. I forget the numbers but i believe the alliance had at most 10 cruisers\capital ships which were not the highest in advancements against arguably most of the Imperial fleet. Not to mention that 2 cruisers were destroyed by the deathstar before they began engaging the star destroyers. Yes its a movie and the force\luck is on their side but its like a bad B movie where arnold schwartzeneggar has the ability to single handedly take out an entire island of milita by himself

I guess lando was promoted for his work in saving solo and whatnot....i find it funny how origionally the falcon was not supposed to make it out of the deathstar, perhaps lando would have a heroic death?
han-wheres my ship?!!?

 

[Celtic_Emperor]

Yes, the 3 to 1 odds swinging the other way are ridiculous, but again friends, its a plot device. When you look at it in the larger scheme the Alliance HAD to look as though they won the fleet battle. Reason being that even if they lost the ground one or Luke was killed, the Death Star would still be there and Death Squadron will have recovered from the loss of the flagship.

To be technically anal, theres always a secondary ship which is instantaniously promoted to flagship when the existing flagship is destroyed. There is already an experienced Admiral, Commander and General, onboard this acting flagship as well. In this case, it was the Imperial Class Star Destroyer Chimera.

Anyways, the point is that the fleet battle controls everything else. Simply put, though illogical, the Alliance had to win this battle specifically otherwise it would leave loose ends unchallenged. Death Squadron was fractured and had to retreat after the loss of the Executor AND the Death Star and of course and more importantly the loss of the Emperor (or so they thought.)

This battle was made to seem like the one that would decide everything, and in typical fashion the good guys win it. A crushing defeat? No, not really. But one that would change the balance of power in an interesting enough way.

 

[Goodieluver]

About the flagship promotion, i dont think there was enough time for another commander to assume command, because shortly after the reactor on the deathstar was destroyed

 

[Celtic_Emperor]

I'm talking about the another fleet admiral. Whether the Death Star still exists in the immediate future doesn't matter. Within the fleet itself theres always acting flagships or ones that will be promoted to such a position when the flagship is lost. When the Executor was lost and Death Squadron was forced to flea, the Chimera had assumed the flagship role.

Whats interesting about how this works is that even if a larger, more powerful ship (super class for example) is inducted into a fleet with an existing command ship, this ship does not effect that status and the smaller one will remain the command ship until command and personal are officially transfered to the new ship, if at all. Its usually the way things work. But then the bigger the ship the bigger the target, and if it is also the command ship and the admiral and co. are on this ship, its just too desirable a target. With a larger ship thats not a command ship it does make the larger one able to assume more of an offensive role without the worry of endangering the command staff. That, and the larger ship could defend and cover the actual command ship.

Ideally and symbolically it doesn't work this way, since the admirals and commanders are almost always stationed on the largest, most powerful ship.

 

[Hungarian21]

Vlad, I have a question. Did the seperatists ever have a chance of victory, or did Sidious know that they will loose from the very beginning?

 

[Celtic_Emperor]

They would have won if that was Lord Sidious's plan. But it wasn't. He only used them to gain his Chancellorship via the blockade of his homeworld Naboo, and to create an opponent for his new army to defend against, thus making the war and threat real and legitimate, albeit staged from the very beginning.

 

[Hungarian21]

And what would have happened if the entire clone army would have gone against the entire seperatist army? Would the clones come out victorious, or were the 2 sides so matched with their technology and numbers that it would have ended as a draw?

 

[Celtic_Emperor]

The clone army would have won (especially considering the Jedi Knights were acting as generals, again, a plan to thin their numbers so there were less of them to potentially stand up to Palpatine). While it is true that the seperatists have legions of droid units, they lack things like personality, a mind, intuition, tactics and individual judgement and appraisal. They are programmed and so are only able to work within the parameters which they given. Thats a serious handicap against against a foe which can do much more. The only given advantage the droid armies have is their numbers and the fact droids don't have feelings or psychology and so are immune to the effects of war, pain, etc. Their single-minded determination is an asset but it eventually succumbs to the far superior human tactics and abilities the clones have.

Clones are independant and capable with or without commanders and generals to guide them (though they are obviously more efficient when being able to rely on a commander for direction even if that commander is one of their own.)


EDIT:

Also, the entire clone army DID go up against the entire Seperatist army and won. We saw it happen over time. Even though it was staged, they will have won even if that wasn't so. And once the Seperatist leaders were of no use anymore, obviously this is why Vader was sent to kill them, so as to eliminate any potential problems later.

 

[Janus4385]

THE PHANTOM MENACE: Mr. Lucas, considering that this movie was pretty much the dumbest thing to come out on reels, you might want to take my advice when the time comes for you to fuck with and re-sell this stinker in the future...You should seriously commit yorself to improving this movie the Gene Roddenberry way which can be summed up in two words...SPACE HIPPIES!!!!!

Come on, don't be so crude Dussicar, you are making me feel bad...
This may sound odd(as I have never met anyone who feels the same as me), but that one was my favorite out of the six Star Wars movies(I don't know, maybe I'm weird or something :weird: )...

I do share most of your observations, but after I saw Menelaus get killed in Troy(2004), I gave up trying to get an explanation as to why movie makers put all this things on their pictures, so I'm just gonna look the other way 🙄 ... 😀 😀 😀

 

[Hungarian21]

Come on, don't be so crude Dussicar, you are making me feel bad...
This may sound odd(as I have never met anyone who feels the same as me), but that one was my favorite out of the six Star Wars movies(I don't know, maybe I'm weird or something :weird: )...

I do share most of your observations, but after I saw Menelaus get killed in Troy(2004), I gave up trying to get an explanation as to why movie makers put all this things on their pictures, so I'm just gonna look the other way 🙄 ... 😀 😀 😀

You lookin for someone who's favorite was Phantom Menace? SIGN ME IN! That, and the Revenge of the Sith. Lots of action. WOOHOO 😀

 

[Janus4385]

You lookin for someone who's favorite was Phantom Menace? SIGN ME IN! That, and the Revenge of the Sith. Lots of action. WOOHOO 😀

Well, not really looking for that... but its good to know someone else liked that movie better too, thanks for your reply man!!!(now I know I'm not alone) 😀 😀 😀

 

[strider1]

I've always wondered how the wreckage of the 2nd Death Star didn't rain fiery death upon the Ewoks.

 

[Dussicar]

I've always wondered how the wreckage of the 2nd Death Star didn't rain fiery death upon the Ewoks.

Funny. Until you just mentioned it, I had never though of that before.

DAMN YOU LUCAS AND YOUR LACK OF CONSISTENCY!!!!!!