starting a chat to discuss how tickling fits in w/the life of a disciple of God...

[Ticklemmmeeeeeee]

I'm Seeking people interested in starting a serious chat re: how an interest in tickling fits into the life of someone dedicated as a disciple to Jesus Christ and living by Gods word....I am in no way interested in arguing or defending my interest in exploring this topic, nor am I interested in debating the "right" vs. "wrong" issue I fear this could turn into...I am only interested in chatting with those who wish to chat about it because they honestly would like to know what the bible says and how Gods word views "tickling" and such...as interpreted through the scriptures...I have been reading the bible and am trying to understand what some things mean...I would love to be able to chat with those that are interested in both areas as well...those being tickling and living in Gods word...whether u are in conflict about it or have considered it and made a decision, I think ur feedback and insight would be helpful to me...I am not sure yet how to proceed once I get a few replies, optimistically assuming I get any replies...lol...I suppose it would depend on the number of people interested and we can take it from there...whether u would like to email me or post here, either way is cool...peace🙂
~ticklemmmeeeeeee🙂

 

[kurchatovium]

I don't think God or Jesus really mines tickling all that much as long as you are trying to be the best person you can be. I am this way, I was made this way I can't change that. I don't think I would have been made this way and then God says whoa you like tickling you are evil and you must goto hell. I don't think God feels that way even if you are gay or whatever quirks you were born with. Bottom line is you were genetically dealt the cards you have and you can not change those ingrained things about you. You can change however the way you deal with people, the way you treat others, and whether or not you help others in need. I think thats what God cares about not who you are but who you are trying to be. We are all masterpieces of artwork in Gods eyes different yet the same for God has left it to us to apply the last few brushstrokes to us his works of art.😀

 

[dskodj]

Prince was cool!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!😀

 

[The Pianist]

I would treat it as if it were anything else. As long as it doesn't break one of the ten commandments or something I wouldn't worry. Basically, so long as you respect the person... and its mostly consentual... I don't think god would care at all.

 

[Ticklemmmeeeeeee]

I appreciate and understand all of ur opinions...My purpose though, in starting this thread was not to "feel okay about having a tickling fetish or not" but to try and locate people who are also interested in serious discussion in the form of a chat we can start or through emails...to honestly explore "what the bible says" "Not what we think God would want"....as an imperfect human being I base what I feel is sin or Gods will entirely on my own emotions and background of experience....my experiences and "morals" tell me one thing is "okay" when someone else may think it isn't...that is why we have the bible to rely upon.....Proverbs 3:5 "Trust the Lord with all your heart and lean not onto your own understanding."
I respect all of ur opinions and I have no interest in debating anyones right or not to have a tickling fetish, I have one of my own so I am not judging anyone....I simply wish to hook up with others who are genuinly interested in determining what the bible says and discussing where tickling fits into it. Thank u🙂
~ticklemmmeeeeeee🙂

 

[kurchatovium]

I have fought with this issue much myself Ticklemmmeeeeeee and finally came to the conclusions that I stated. I don't know if I am that well versed in scripture to hold a discussion. However if there are thing troubling you feel free to contact me via private message. Or through email if you wish. Remember God so loved the world that he gave to it his only begoyten son. I don't think a little tickling here and there would upset the almighty if he was willing to do that just my opinion though. Peace. 😀

 

[Ticklemmmeeeeeee]

Kurtchatovium (I know I misspelled ur name but if I turn back now I'll lose this page...doh!...lol) Thanks for the post🙂 I agree...I also think that based on what I have read of the bible thus far (why'd they make it soo big?!?!...lol)...and what I have learned from online bible studies and discussions at my Church, I also am convinced that a love of tickling is not ungodly....thank goodness for that because my love of being tickled is so much a part of my personality and who I am ...I suppose my true conflict stems from not being able to be with the person I wish to be with and feeling a bit frustrated in the single life and desiring a relationship with the man I love.....I love the book of "song of songs" or "Solomons songs" in the bible...I actually read it accidentally last night...was reading ecclesiastes and just kept going...lol...the books of poetry are so beautiful ...they really describe the way that love should be between a man and a woman....so sensual and beautiful and pure....anyway, I am rambling rrrreally badly...lol...I suppose underneath it all I am just desirous of having intelligent conversations with people that also love the Lord and enjoy reading and understanding the bible as well as enjoy a love of tickling....that said, for anyone who reads this and may wonder...I'm not interested one bit in tickle cybering or meeting, as I stated I am in love with someone, just a tad frustrated that we can't be together right now....would love to chat about the above-mentioned though....byeeee🙂
~ticklemmmeeeeeee🙂

 

[kurchatovium]

You are so lucky you have found someone Ticklemmmeeeeeee. In case you haven't figured out from my other posts I think love is the most important thing in the Universe. This is what God wants for us to love and help one another. As for me I enjoy tickling and being tickled so much that I need a partner that at the very leasts understands this side of me. Regrettably this has kept ol'kurchatovium single. If you wish to chat further on these issues please contact me but like I said I am not as well versed in scripture as you probably are but I will give you my honest opinions.

 

[The Pianist]

I simply wish to hook up with others who are genuinly interested in determining what the bible says and discussing where tickling fits into it.

I highly doubt that the bible would say anything about tickling at all. If you want any confirmation on that I can always ask my father, he's studied a whole lot of different versions of the bible and knows alot about the beliefs of both christian based denominations and other religions in general... partially because he did some huge theology degree and has been a baptist minister for 14 years of my life.

But as far as my understanding goes of the book... everything is open to interperatation... and more commonly, mis-interperatation. What I mean is that since tickling is a fairly vague subject, nothing in the bible will link directly to it... but there will probably be many times where you can 'make' the bible say whatever you want it to say.... here are a few examples that I can remember (not related to tickling though... and not direct quotes and I can't remember the names of the people either... just the general gist of the story, so you should hopefully know who I'm talking about if you know the story:

One story I can remember that is anti-masterbation goes something like: Bill was Married to Jan... but unfortunately Bill died before they could have a child together... so god asked Bill's brother, Pete, to have a child with Jan for Bill's sake. Unfortunately Pete didn't want to do this, so he 'spilled his seed on the ground' which god then punished him for.
So did god punish him cause Pete got Jolly with himself, or because he disobeyd a direct order?

An anti-gay one goes something like: The city of Sodom was a nasty place where everybody pretty much had sex with everybody (m/m/f/f/d) and not to mention they raped any outsider too. And cutting the story short, God bured the city to the ground.
Was it because they were gay inside... or instead cause they were evil idol whorshipping people that pack raped anyone that came inside the gates?

And my favourite story from my father...
When he was a minister in a small town on the eastern border of Victoria (I was about 1yrold at this time), a group of women tried to get him to support an anti-alcohol campain. Now my dad isn't pro-alcohol or anything... he certainly objects to the over use of it, but unfortunately he can't make choices for other people (though is happy that I've been making pretty decent choices myself).... and in the letter that this group sent to him, one of the quotes from the bible went like this:Thou shall not drink the WINE of (insertbadthing). And for some reason they didn't reply when my father sent them a letter back asking if they wished to oppose the rest of the verse Or the BREAD of Evilness too.

Gimme some time and I'll actually look up the proper versions of these verses or at least the right book and chapter etc.

I don't think a little tickling here and there would upset the almighty

Personally, I still think that God would be happy to know that you are enjoying it... he did create you and the sensations after all.

 

[Ticklemmmeeeeeee]

Pianist...I have heard the first story u describe...I too cannot remember where it is in the bible , I think her name was Sarah but I could be wrong...anyway, the points u raise are excellent...I think ur right about tickling not being in the bible and I think u are also right about God not denying us that pleasure....I do think though that it would be viewed upon as an act of intimacy (if done sexually) that should occur between only married people....which I have no problem with...I think what has also been weighing on my mind is just how wild the sex and tickling can be between married people and still be okay...(looking for permission to be an animal and still be saved...lol..)I would like to believe that anything that a married man and woman do in their own home , as long as it isn't hurting anyone else or causing anyone to sin, is okay....but I want to back that thought up with scriptures...(now to find a man who is a tickle fiend and fears God...lol..j/k...hopefully I can convert my bf, if he ever comes back from wherever he is...doh!....I know my life is weird...lol)...ur so right about the interpretation of and misinterpretation of the scriptures...I have a cool cd rom called The power bible where u can actually cross reference every scripture on a topic and allow them to support one another which helps alot in the proper interpretation....rather than use them to cancel one another out like some religions do.....anyway, I will be looking for the stories u mentioned as well...thanks so much for the cool response...God Bless🙂...~ticklemmmeeeeeee

 

[The Pianist]

Cool, as I said... I'll find the references myself in a day or two...

Mind you, if you want something else to think about... here's something one the other ministers that I know suggested.

Sex before marrige. Does God tell us not to do it because its just plain sacralidge... or he doesn't think its a good idea because of the consequences involved.

... and if God just wanted to protect us... with the introduction of safe sex mostly removing the major consequence of an un-wanted baby and STD's... does that mean under the right circumstances, God is alright with sex before Marrige?

Answering that question for yourself would also help any questions about tickling... and yeah, the other suggestion is...

Go talk to god about it 🙂

 

[Sunriseticklee]

Genesis 38
1 And it came to pass at that time, that Judah went down from his brethren, and turned in to a certain Adullamite, whose name was Hirah.
2 And Judah saw there a daughter of a certain Canaanite, whose name was Shuah; and he took her, and went in unto her.
3 And she conceived, and bare a son; and he called his name Er.
4 And she conceived again, and bare a son; and she called his name Onan.
5 And she yet again conceived, and bare a son; and called his name Shelah: and he was at Chezib, when she bare him.
6 And Judah took a wife for Er his firstborn, whose name was Tamar.
7 And Er, Judah's firstborn, was wicked in the sight of the LORD; and the LORD slew him.
8 And Judah said unto Onan, Go in unto thy brother's wife, and marry her, and raise up seed to thy brother.
9 And Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and it came to pass, when he went in unto his brother's wife, that he spilled it on the ground, lest that he should give seed to his brother.
10 And the thing which he did displeased the LORD: wherefore he slew him also.

Story of Sodom and Gomorrah Genesis 18 and 19.

Sunny

 

[Sunriseticklee]

... and if God just wanted to protect us... with the introduction of safe sex mostly removing the major consequence of an un-wanted baby and STD's... does that mean under the right circumstances, God is alright with sex before Marrige?

LOL... and of course we always hear of the oopsies, the oh no!, and other mistakes that occur when some people surprisingly realize that safe sex isn't 100%. Great protection.

Anyway... Ticklemeeeee. I'm not the most perfect person in the world, but thanks to my daddy (preacher) taking us to church nearly everyday when I was a child. And by the grace of God that I am still alive and kicking people... I mean kicking 😛....

If you want to explore the scriptures with someone who knows the scriptures... email me. I may not have the popular interpretation, and it may be something that you or I don't want to hear, but hey, it's what the Word says. Isn't that what you want?

Sunrise

 

[The Pianist]

LOL... and of course we always hear of the oopsies, the oh no!, and other mistakes that occur when some people surprisingly realize that safe sex isn't 100%.

Thats why I said under the right circumstances. The sermon was not "Condom are great, lets go back to the 60's!" by any means. Instead there were alot of factors he thought we should consider and talk about before actually doing the act. Unfortunately I can't remember the whole sermon, but he mentioned various things that mostly revolved around respect and responsibility. So perhaps in a long term relationship, if both partners agreed on having sex and were willing to accept the chance that it might end in a birth (along with other consequences) that that might be the right circumstance.

It is of course a suggestion, once again its up to your interperation of the bible and the conversations you have with god and your partner.

but thanks to my daddy (preacher) taking us to church nearly everyday when I was a child.

Your father's a minister too? Small world. Well, my father isn't anymore... but he was for the first 16 yrs of my life... and yes, I went to church almost every sunday. Now he's a school teacher and the main thing thats changed is that I sleep in during the morning service and go to the evening one. 🙂

 

[BigJim]

Being a spiritualist type person, I have to put myself into the shoes of a priest or vicar to answer this.

People who use the Forum, do so because they find tickling a sexual thing. Some mildly so, other more heavily; but sexual nonetheless. If you believe that whatever your particular church (whichever one it may be) says is the word of God/Christ, then you'd have to treat tickling in the same vein as looking at pornography, masturbation etc. We find tickling sexual, pure and simple. If your church makes you feel guilty about masturbation and looking at porn, then you can bet they'd think you should feel guilty about tickling too, because tickling to us is as porn to a vanilla person.

Personally I don't feel in the least bit guilty about it, because my conception of God is different to that of a Christian. I believe that anything that causes only positive vibes between the people participating, is good and cannot be considered impure or "sinful". Christianity teaches supression of sexuality in varying degrees, depending on the fundementalism of the sect involved. The CoE is a hell of a lot more lenient that the descendants of puritanical Nantucket Quakers.

I think Ticklemeeeeeee that it's more about the view of the church you belong to, than the Bible. Different sects of the same religion treat passages as having different meanings. If you're just a Non-Denominational Christian, then it's up to your individual conscience. Personally I don't think there is anything to feel guilty about. 🙂

 

[Ticklemmmeeeeeee]

Thanks pianist...I'll look forward to hearing/reading what u come up with....

Sunrise....thanks so much, u bet, I will email u..I know practically nothing about anything (yet)...lol...

BigJim...good points , sadly though it's not so much that I feel guilty but confused....

Thanks to u all for ur opinions and input...I'm a bit overwhelmed this week with work and things but hope to be able to do more reading by the end of the week....my interest in the bible and Gods word transcends my understanding of it and it is rather frustrating because I have so many feelings but am unable to articulate them out of ignorance of what the bible says and also lack of experience....the bible was not a frequently used book growing up in my household and I marvel at the wisdom and experience most people seem to have of it..I am such a novice...lol...but I guess the best way to learn is to talk to or better yet listen to others and attend church and bible studies...thanks again everyone🙂
~ticklemmmeeeeeee🙂

 

[kurchatovium]

"Neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord."

The New Testament
The Epistle of Paul the Apostle to the Romans 8:38-39

OK it doesn't say tickling there but I think if read between the lines you can get the generally ideal. By the way I am not this good with Bible quotes I just have my Franklin's book of Quotations.

 

[TklDuo-Ann]

I'm coming into this late. So, allow me to catch up. First of all...good topic. I hope it stays on the track that was intended.

Before I get into the topic at hand...

Thou shall not drink the WINE of (insertbadthing). And for some reason they didn't reply when my father sent them a letter back asking if they wished to oppose the rest of the verse Or the BREAD of Evilness too.

LOL The wine of debauchery and bread of evilness do not in any way refer to physical bread and wine. The passage is meant to instruct us to not allow evil (in whatever form) to be our sustaining force. I love it when people say that the Bible tells us we can't drink. It doesn't. In fact, there are a number of places where drink is recommended as a remmedy. Also, Jesus didn't turn water into grapejuice. He turned it into wine. 😉

Now then...

As others have already stated, tickling is not specificly mentioned in the Bible. So, as Jim did, we have to look at what it's related to. For most here, tickling is at least partly sexual in nature. For those people, when the action/intent is sexual, they should consider the issues of purity and sexuality that are in Scripture. However, for many (myself included), tickling can be totally innocent and playful fun. In those cases, we fit more readily into the affectionate playfulness of a child.

Scripture calls us to be childlike...to enjoy that purity and innocence that we were born with. There's a ton of attention placed by people on the idea of being born with the stain of original sin...that being the tendency to weakness brought about by the sin of adam and eve. But, very few look at the fact that we are also born in the image and likeness of God. As such, we are also born with a natural goodness, free will and the inclination to sense and avoid what is evil. Obviously, our surroundings will cause the to be clarified or changed as we grow. But, the original innocence is still underneath it all.

Scripture also calls us to be pure of body, mind and heart. So, when people indulge in sexual play (tickling or not) outside of marriage, in the view of Scripture it is a sin. We are instructed to save that for marriage. While most no longer do so, it's still what Scripture says. And that IS what you asked for.

Now, all of this doesn't mean that we're going to hell if we indulge in sexual play with someone we aren't married to. If that were the case, most of the world would be in hell. I don't believe that is what God wants. He wants us to be with Him. Hell is our own decision. The real danger in saying no to God's laws is that you become used to saying no to Him. Then, when He offers us the chance to repent and chose life, we are more inclined to say no again.

OK, enough for now. I suspect there are plenty of things there to respond to.

Ann

BTW, Ticklemmmeeeee...I'm also open to discussing this off the forum. I've studied a good deal of Scripture and theology over the years. So, I have a pretty good working understanding of what many of the often misquoted passages really mean. Feel free to e-mail or PM me.

 

[BigJim]

Good post Ann, a lot more instructional than I managed. I have a friend at work who is a Mormon and he and I often shoot the shit about spirituality and religion when we're on patrol or stagging on together. (No stagging on is not an oblique reference to something decidedly naughty in the Biblical sense. It's Brit-Slang for being on duty on the main gate of a military establishment.)
According to his Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, there are varying degrees of heaven and hell. The only true hell is something he refers to as "the outer darkness" which is special accomodation reserved for very few people. To qualify for this particularly minging residence you have to have known and lived with the Everlasting Gspel and then thrown it in Christ's face to worship the Devil. There is also the terrestrial kingdom, which will be on this earth, but with everlasting life. Ruled generally by God, but not in His sight. There's the Celestial Kingdom, which is a higher spiritual realm that particularly enlightened people go to, without actually living at the right hand of God. Then there is another higher realm than that, who's name escapes me now. That is basically reserved for members of the Flock who accept the Grace of the Gospel. This is the ultimate place to aim for apparently and is right next to Big Daddy Himself.

Now I'm not a Mormon, or even a Christian, but some of this rings true for me. I don't believe that the spirit world is as black and white as it's sometimes been painted. Nor do I believe it to be the end of labours. As far as I'm concerned, it'll be where the real work starts. My personal take on it, is that the higher the vibration of the person's soul (how close they are to Enlightenment in a Christian sense) the higher the realm they'll have access to when they're not in a physical body. My understanding is that the best way to keep someone's vibration low was to induce all the dark side emotions in them like fear, anger, aggression and the all-time big one......guilt. The more someone lives without those emotions, the closer to God/Allah/Christ/spirit/the Force they'll be. Unfortunatley, living in this world is condusive to creating abundances of all of those feelings and religion creates them in greater quantities than most other things. People like Ann who are Christian but have broken free of the trap of making other people feel guilty and live life to the happy full, have my utmost admiration.

Tickling (whatever it's motivation) can always be used in a way that creates good feelings and induces happiness. So long as you don't abuse it, I don't think there's any reason why God would disapprove. Of course Ann put very concisely the problems behind tickling someone else when you're already in a relationship and find tickling sexual. But she also pointed out the salient fact that NO human being is perfect and every human being is capable of redemption. If you look at it technically, not even Satan is incapable of restoring himself. I asked Tony (my Mormon mate) what he thought about that and he agreed. If Satan asked God for forgiveness and performed whatever penance was suitable for the shit he's caused, God would forgive him. So if God is capable of forgiving the biggest sinner in the Universe (with the possible exception of Bill Clinton) then there's no reason you should feel guilty for getting pleasure out of tickling.

I should have mentioned the bit about some people being able to seperate innocent tickling from tickling with a sexual twist. I guess for me it almost always has a slight sexual undertone in it. But then I am British, so I'm allowed to be deviant.

 

[The Pianist]

Actually, I just thought of another question you could ask yourself...

Wheres does tickling come into the relationship... as in what sexual level?

To a certain extent alot of thing couples do can be related to sex, holding hands, hugging, kissing, petting and sex... and couples tend to do more and more of them and they get closer together. So where does tickling come in? Is it under heavy petting or closer to hugging and kissing?

 

[TklDuo-Ann]

Wheres does tickling come into the relationship... as in what sexual level?...Is it under heavy petting or closer to hugging and kissing?

I think that would vary for every person here, Pianist. For me personally, even with Drew, when not strictly playful it's more often closer to the kissing/hugging side of things...mainly because we do a lot of playful/affectionate play all day long while we're doign other things.

Originally posted by BigJim
I should have mentioned the bit about some people being able to seperate innocent tickling from tickling with a sexual twist. I guess for me it almost always has a slight sexual undertone in it. But then I am British, so I'm allowed to be deviant.

Yeah! You should have! Shame on you! 😛 lol I liked the details on the Mormon view of things. I'd forgotten some of that from when they used to come and debate with me. It's actually not all that dissimilar to the Catholic view of heaven, hell and purgatory. The biggest differnece is that they don't see Jesus as God...merely the next best thing. Of course, there are also "Christians" who view Him as the Son of God but not as God.

Whatever view people take, I'm sure that it isn't going to be a huge factor in the judgment of most.

BTW, thanks for the compliment, Jimbo. 😉

Ann

 

[BigJim]

Just to check in my memory banks here, doesn't at least one of the Gospels mention Christ wandering in the wilderness and a cloud stops over him, projecting a booming voice that says....."This is mine only son, in whom I am well pleased!"? I'm pretty sure that's in the KJB somewhere.

Doesn't that suggest that Christ and God are two seperate entities, with JC being the Son?

 

[TklDuo-Ann]

The quote is accurate. After the forty days in the desert, Jesus comes to the Jordan to be baptized by John the Baptist. This is one of the places where all three persons are shown...Jesus in the water, the Holy Spirit (pictured as a dove, fire, wind, etc. throughout the NT) and the Father speaking the words. (BTW, the baptism John the Baptist practiced was not the same as sacramental baptism.)

Jesus IS the Son of God. But, He is also God. God is portrayed in Scripture with 3 unique identities...the Father, the Son (Jesus) and the Holy Spirit. Various Christian faiths see this differently. As a Catholic, I was taught that it's one God with 3 distinct persons. They're all equal in power and being. They're simply different expressions of the same person. The closest I can come to describing it is that they could be likened to the new age image of all beings "becoming" a part of God. They see us all as reaching the level of perfection that only God has, thus "becoming God". The difference here is that we never actually become god, simply united in spirit, whereas God the Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit truly ARE united and one in every way.

But, we're getting off the original subject. lol 😉

Ann